WI Algeria not conquered by France in 1830?

A Spanish attempt to colonize Algeria in the 19th century would be interesting. By around 1830 is when it is becoming apparent that the American mainland is lost forever. Algeria might seem like a place to "compensate" if France is not there already.



Plus, the Italians probably have more vivid memories of the Barbary pirates during their lifetimes than the French or Spanish did. I would have to think that the Corsairs treated the ships and villages of the Italian states as easier prey than French and Spanish possessions.



What would British Algeria be like, and what would its impact be?

I would not rule out an Austrian Algeria, in some periods at least. Could've happened before Austria started losing wars in the 1850s.

I think a Austrian Algeria would have been very interesting. It would especially be interesting how the Entente dealt with it, if the rest of history followed OTL pattern.
 

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I think a Austrian Algeria would have been very interesting. It would especially be interesting how the Entente dealt with it, if the rest of history followed OTL pattern.

....and thanks for not instantly pooh-pooh'ing the idea! ("pooh-pooh-pooh, the Austrians had problems closer to home, if they expanded anywhere it would be in the Balkans...")

What about other potential takers like Britain, Spain, Savoyard, Neapolitan or Tuscan (or just plain Italian) Algeria?

I suppose a reasserted Ottoman central control (or Muhammad Ali control) are also possibilities, but they interest me a little less for some reason.
 
There is no Indochina war. the only reason the French Union held on so long after WW2 was due to a small minority of soldiers who did not lose morale even in dire circumstances. Some were French and some were... Algerian.
 
....and thanks for not instantly pooh-pooh'ing the idea! ("pooh-pooh-pooh, the Austrians had problems closer to home, if they expanded anywhere it would be in the Balkans...")

Austria really only got problem after 1848 and they grew slowly in how bad they was.

I think a Austrian takeover around the same time as France would be the most interesting. Austria would likely treat it much like they treated the military frontier, except that theywouldn't expel the Muslims in the 19th century. But we would likely see Austria settling a mix of European settlers in Algeria, and likely more than France ever did. But just as French Algeria assimilated the European settlers into a French identity, Austrian Algeria would do the same. So if WWI happens we could very well have a Algeria which was 30-40% Austrian at that point. Which would give the Allies some problem how to deal with it. The Austrians was also much used to divide and rule thqan the French, so I expect both the Algerians Jews and Berber to be pretty loyal to Vienna.

What about other potential takers like Britain, Spain, Savoyard, Neapolitan or Tuscan (or just plain Italian) Algeria?

I honestly don't see which European power would take them, but honestly if someone else hadn't taken it over by 1870, I think it's pretty much given that France will end up with it

I suppose a reasserted Ottoman central control (or Muhammad Ali control) are also possibilities, but they interest me a little less for some reason.

I find it unlikely Egypt never took over Libya and the Ottomans had other problems elselwhere.
 

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Austria really only got problem after 1848 and they grew slowly in how bad they was.

I think a Austrian takeover around the same time as France would be the most interesting. Austria would likely treat it much like they treated the military frontier, except that theywouldn't expel the Muslims in the 19th century. But we would likely see Austria settling a mix of European settlers in Algeria, and likely more than France ever did. But just as French Algeria assimilated the European settlers into a French identity, Austrian Algeria would do the same. So if WWI happens we could very well have a Algeria which was 30-40% Austrian at that point. Which would give the Allies some problem how to deal with it. The Austrians was also much used to divide and rule thqan the French, so I expect both the Algerians Jews and Berber to be pretty loyal to Vienna.



I honestly don't see which European power would take them, but honestly if someone else hadn't taken it over by 1870, I think it's pretty much given that France will end up with it



I find it unlikely Egypt never took over Libya and the Ottomans had other problems elselwhere.

Well, you're welcome to timeline Austrian Algeria. I'd read it, at least unless it got too slow, detailed or massive.
 
It has already been mentioned that it is much easier to imagine an independent Morocco or Tunisia than Algeria, and I agree with that assessment. So how about a Tunisian Algeria in a TL where Tunisia avoids bankruptcy? Or a Tunisian-Moroccan partition of Algeria?
 
It has already been mentioned that it is much easier to imagine an independent Morocco or Tunisia than Algeria, and I agree with that assessment. So how about a Tunisian Algeria in a TL where Tunisia avoids bankruptcy? Or a Tunisian-Moroccan partition of Algeria?

Algeria is symbolicly still an Ottoman puppet. With regarda to Tunesia and Morocco, they will object its division.

It is more likely Constantinople will take Algiers and enforce direct rule than a joint division between Morocco/Tunesia.

Edit: now I think about it, even Kingdom of Sardinia has a better chance than Spain, Austria or Morocco/Tunisia.
 
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All I can say is, if France does not take Algiers in 1830 it will be either the British or France in later years. No Spain, which is on the brink of Civil War, no Austria who has no interest in the region or has a loss to compensate with.

If neither Britain nor France have taken Algiers by 1870s, or Ottomans not enforced direct control there, Italy is most likely to take it and I am a 100% sure they would go for it.
 
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Italy or Britain will do it for the French, maybe even the Germans. Also doesn't Algeria have a decent agriculture area?
 
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