WI - Alexadar II does not sell Alaska

who would get it in the end?
would it become a white-russian state, similar to taiwan, a monarchy perhaps, maibe even with the royal familly taking refuge there?
or would the red army take it in the end?

or who knows maybe even an black or green enclave safe from the whites and the reds?

what efeck would that hawe on the history of the 20th century, specificaly if the soviets had a part of the north american continent?
 

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Usians wouldn´t allow red army in Alaska, fearing that the bolcheviks are planning to invade the USA or something similarly silly.
 
yes but how would they stop them would there be a war?
if the us ocupied territory seen by staljin as soviet or ewen yust back white russian royalists there where would that lead russian/american foreing policy during WWII, especialy before barbarossa?
 
There have been a few WI threads concerning Alaska being given to the British at the end of the Crimean War and Alaska remaining in Russian hands. Some of them have generated interesting discussion. Also, this thread really needs to be in the pre-1900 forum as that is when your POD is.
 
What reds? What whites? What blacks? What greens?
Alaska going to America came long, long before this.
 
who would get it in the end?
would it become a white-russian state, similar to taiwan, a monarchy perhaps, maibe even with the royal familly taking refuge there?
or would the red army take it in the end?

Another republic break off the Russian Empire and not taken by the USSR in the 20s, I suppose. Finland in America, basically.
 
Red Army-Bolshevik, White Army-royalist/anti Bolshevic, Black army's-independent warlords & Green Army-anarchist .

He knows what those terms mean, he's just saying that none of those factions would recognizably exist with an early POD like that.
 
Red Army-Bolshevik, White Army-royalist/anti Bolshevic, Black army's-independent warlords & Green Army-anarchist .

Actually the Black Army were anarchists and the Green Army were armed peasant groups which defended their villages both against Whites and Reds.
I doubt that some insignificant territory kept by Russian would change history so much.
 
I don't know if you can consider a territory the size of Alaska 'insignificent', especially considering the mineral resources in the territory-gold, which had been known by the turn of the 20th century, and all that sweet, sweet oil.
 
the reason i put this in post 1900 is because the most important consequences would come during or after wwII
since lets face it if it wasnt sold its not like its going aniwhere it would still bee russian in 1917

just think of the cold war with a soviet alaska, talk about misile chrisis
or even a tsarist alaska, or hell who knows even a japanese one if they take it in the russo japanese war hipoteticaly

i know most probably it would go to america or canada or britain one way or the other but its still an iteresting hipotetical complication no?
 
the reason i put this in post 1900 is because the most important consequences would come during or after wwII
since lets face it if it wasnt sold its not like its going aniwhere it would still bee russian in 1917

just think of the cold war with a soviet alaska, talk about misile chrisis
or even a tsarist alaska, or hell who knows even a japanese one if they take it in the russo japanese war hipoteticaly

i know most probably it would go to america or canada or britain one way or the other but its still an iteresting hipotetical complication no?

Just because Russia doesn't sell Alaska doesn't mean it would stay in Russian hands forever. IIRC one of the very reasons the US bought it from the Russians was to keep British hands off of it. Besides, I can't see Russia being so interested in Alaska that they are determined to hold on to it. AFAIK it was seen as a barren wasteland until gold was discovered there.

Finally, I know there are a lot of members on this board whose first language is not English, so I give people a lot of slack. Nevertheless, could you use spell check please? Thanks!
 
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