WI: Al-Mu'tadid lived 10-20 years longer - could Abbasid power be restored?

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Al-Mu'tadid, Abbasid Caliph from 892-902, presided over nearly a decade of recovery for the Abbasid Caliphate, restoring Abbasid control over the provinces of Jazira, Thughur, and Jibal, and reining in the disloyal Tulunid and Saffarid vassal states, at least nominally. He also moved the capital back to Baghdad, engaged in major building projects, and reformed the tax system and administration to support his military campaigns. However, by the time of al-Mu'tadid's death in 902, a number of major threats appeared that would eventually plague the Abbasids, such as the rise of the Qarmatians and growing factionalism in the bureaucracy. Yet, this was in the hands of less capable successors.

If al-Mu'tadid lived 10-20 years longer, continuing to reign as Caliph, could the decline of the Abbasids be reversed?
 
I do not follow how the survival of al-Mu’Tadid would aid in the war against the Qarmatians or the Tulunids.

It is certainly true that al-Mu’Tadid was a warrior of legend and exceeding talent. His campaign against the Zanj devastated their field armies and placed the Zanj on the defense for the remaining years of the war, until he and his father besieged and captured al-Mukhtara after a year long siege and subsequent slaying of al-Dibaj. Despite this great fame, it should be mentioned that the Qarmatians menace flourished under his neglect and their prowes was proven as his general al-Abbas Ghanarwai was slain by the Qarmatians. Later al-Mu’Tadid lapsed in his post in the spread of the Qarmatians threat from Arabia and Kufa to the Levant region.

Yahya Ibn Zikrawayh and his brother al-Husayn Ibn Zikrawayh devastated Syria defeating Tulunid forces decisively and forcing their presence out of the region. It was in fact after the death of al-Mu’Tadid wherein al-Muktafi commissioned the campaign to quell the threat of the Qarmatians who had gripped the Levant. After the death of Yahya Ibn Zikrawayh (Sahib al-Naqa; lord of the she-camel, his title) at the battle of Dimascus, the last Tulunid stronghold, al-Husayn Zikrawayh (Sahib al-Shama, lord of the mole) was defeated by the Abbasid incursion tasked by Al-Muktafi. al-Shama would of course, later be captured and executed at Dilayah, himself tortured and cut to pieces in Baghdad at the behest of Al-Muktafi.
 

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I do not follow how the survival of al-Mu’Tadid would aid in the war against the Qarmatians or the Tulunids.

It is certainly true that al-Mu’Tadid was a warrior of legend and exceeding talent. His campaign against the Zanj devastated their field armies and placed the Zanj on the defense for the remaining years of the war, until he and his father besieged and captured al-Mukhtara after a year long siege and subsequent slaying of al-Dibaj. Despite this great fame, it should be mentioned that the Qarmatians menace flourished under his neglect and their prowes was proven as his general al-Abbas Ghanarwai was slain by the Qarmatians. Later al-Mu’Tadid lapsed in his post in the spread of the Qarmatians threat from Arabia and Kufa to the Levant region.

Yahya Ibn Zikrawayh and his brother al-Husayn Ibn Zikrawayh devastated Syria defeating Tulunid forces decisively and forcing their presence out of the region. It was in fact after the death of al-Mu’Tadid wherein al-Muktafi commissioned the campaign to quell the threat of the Qarmatians who had gripped the Levant. After the death of Yahya Ibn Zikrawayh (Sahib al-Naqa; lord of the she-camel, his title) at the battle of Dimascus, the last Tulunid stronghold, al-Husayn Zikrawayh (Sahib al-Shama, lord of the mole) was defeated by the Abbasid incursion tasked by Al-Muktafi. al-Shama would of course, later be captured and executed at Dilayah, himself tortured and cut to pieces in Baghdad at the behest of Al-Muktafi.
Good points. It seems that al-Muktafi should also be considered quite capable, and really ends up finishing some of the campaigns started by al-Mu'tadid. Even if al-Mu'tadid did live longer, I suppose he can only campaign for so long.

While the Abbasid faced threats and structural problems since the 9th century, is it correct to say that the ascension of al-Muqtadir and his unstable reign is what begins that final stage of terminal decline for the Abbasids? If so, would replacing al-Muqtadir with a different and more effective successor buy some time for Abbasid Iraq?
 
Good points. It seems that al-Muktafi should also be considered quite capable, and really ends up finishing some of the campaigns started by al-Mu'tadid. Even if al-Mu'tadid did live longer, I suppose he can only campaign for so long.

While the Abbasid faced threats and structural problems since the 9th century, is it correct to say that the ascension of al-Muqtadir and his unstable reign is what begins that final stage of terminal decline for the Abbasids? If so, would replacing al-Muqtadir with a different and more effective successor buy some time for Abbasid Iraq?

Possibly, yes.

The Abbasid state is not in dire straits quite yet at the death of al-Muktafi and it can be said that al-Muqatadir was a massive boon for the peripheral enemies, especially the Fatimids and other nearby foes. However, some of the issues that occurred within his reign were not necessarily caused explicitly by his policy. The reality of Turkic dominance that once more took control over the court, was not a mechanism of al-Muqtadir, but of his predecessors a century ago, who relegated much of the military functions to Mamluks or Ghulams. The Anarchy of Samarra some 40 years prior to al-Muqtadir carried similar issues and we see overt Turkic dominance in the Abbasid realm as early as the execution of al-Afshin in the 830s. In fact, the falling of favor of various Iranian generals and governors gave the Turkic specialists far more power than previous. Especially when one considers the level to which Iranian or Arab-Iranian leaders either were purged, rebelled or killed one another. Another issue al-Muqtadir could not control, was the receding economic prowess previously in place. During the years of the Anarchy of Samarra, one could say despite the upheaval politically, that the economic situation was not of a poor quality. In fact, the slave markets which provided a fair amount of wealth incoming Iraq, seemed to be in health.

As well, the farming, of all kinds, remained lucrative in the famed Sawad prior to the Zanj revolt and the effects of a decline in the Sawad only became realized later, with declining outputs from the Sawad region, that could more or less be owed to the expected population decline and the avoidance of the previous slave driven farming systems that prevailed throughout the Abbasid period prior to the 870s. It should be understood that the Sawad region and nearby areas were devastated by at least three consecutive wars that may not have individually crushed the areas, but cumulatively had effects. During the Zanj revolt, outside the obvious decline in productive slave owners and mass confiscation of land by Zanj officials (do note, the Zanj commanded a state apparatus and ruling centre, it was an extremely sophisticated rebellion), the local trading practices were disturbed. During the Zanj rule of the region of the Sawad, merchants previously associated with Baghdad were forced out and without permits, merchants had their goods confiscated and often the merchants were taken as prisoners. The Zanj operated more within an extended trade system with the Arab Bedouins to the south and the trade from the south flowed toward the capital of al-Mukhtara and those merchants who operated in conjunction with Abbasid fiscal growth were either positioning themselves in relation with the Zanj or forced out of business. Zanj economic centres and modes were obviously disrupted subsequently after the fall of al-Mukhtara. Following this, we have then Arab tribal agitation, usually in the region of Kufa-Najaf-Karbala, all of which carrying the sort of Neo-Shurha ideology or Shi'i mentalities. Then consequently, within Kufa, Palmyra, Sawad, al-Ahsa, Bahrayn, etc... the Qarmatians rise to pwoer and once more devastate these regions, in ways similar to the Zanj, especially in Syria, where the destruction was perhaps more total with regards to trade disruption in al-Raqqa, Palmyra and Damascus. These issues and woes were far outside the control of al-Muqtadir.

So, after addressing a few of my concerns in simply blaming al-Muqtadir, it should be known his own frailties. As a ruler, he is often painted as a sort of feeble man controlled by his mother and other court officials whose positions we can assume, revolved around internal Baghdad politics. This character is opposite to the constantly on-campaign al-Mu'Tadir, his father. Typically, this assumption of having a ruler tied to a single city and focused on various political and obtuse issues such as would occur in major metropolitan Baghdad with its divergent ideals, intrigue and the ability to create disconnect, is seen as a major reason for the fall of the Abbasid realm. Generally, this may be partly the case, many of the rulers to whom the consideration of poorly ruling is conferred, are those whose reign were of some sort of Baghdad or capital/urban centered politck. Further, many of these leaders fell into a deep seated decadence within the city life that separated them from their populace. However, on the other hand, it should be mentioned that al-Muktafi was one such ruler. His rule was exceedingly cautious and deeply Iraqi in its outlook, and thus his reign was fair and tolerable.

The primary difference thus between al-Muqtadir and his near predecessor, al-Muktafi is what? In my estimation, it can be accounted partly or wholly to the men in question. Al-Muktafi whilst a sedentary leader and delegating much to his Turkic mamluks and officials, stood his ground in political matters within Baghdad and held to a general ethos and policy that was not controlled entirely by varied Baghdad political cliques. Al-Muqtadir was the parallel, his policies were at the dictates of Baghdad political intrigue and obviously influenced by his strong willed mother, who despite any positive qualities, was likely unable to comprehend the issues on the exterior regions of the Abbasid realm and the dangers close at home.

My contention would thus be, to somewhat change or rectify the policy of al-Muqtadir toward a tempered version of the earlier policies and similar spending schemes as his two predecessors. That being, continued prevalence of military budget to keep his constituent military allies satisfied and the decreased spending on frivolous expenses such as enlarging the number of concubines or useless building projects. This is where the issue becomes near asb though, it is difficult to imagine a al-Muqtadir who is not swayed by his mother and her allies to focus on Baghdad and the internal court. The disconnect is there, Baghdad inspired a class of people in the Abbasid realm that ultimately lost sight of the empire and gave to themselves a false view of their own might as to see continued military budgets as not needed. This drop in spending was the result of the complacency of those intellectuals in Baghdad and court officials tied to Baghdad to such a degree that the view of stability became something that was taken for granted. Al-Mu'Tadid knew these perceptions were false as he rose to prominence and forged by the fires of wars occurring near Baghdad, the Zanj rebellion and the Safafrd-Abbasid war. Despite my opinion however, one can change individuals with the change of fate, see Octavian as an example of a naive individual to whom control by his mother was plausible in his early career.

As far as the policy, with knowledge that the views of al-Mu'Tadid and al-Muktafi were effective and preferable; the preference that I have regarding this would be that the Abbasid realm become tied to difficult conflicts to the west, against surging powers. Instead, the view I hold, would be that the policy of al-Muktafi's tempered regime continues indefinitely in policy. The Abbasid realm is perhaps to devastated by the previous century to reconquer Egypt, Syria, Arabia, Iran, etc... and expect to hold all these areas. It is similar to how after decades of inaction and decay, the Byzantine collapse after Manzikert stifled the ability for Byzantium to even try to conceive of itself as some hegemonic force. The Abbasid realm was in this position more or less, broken by various wars in its primary lands and nearby enemies present themselves with a vigor the Abbasids no longer possess.

Abbasid policy should focus upon Iraq and nearby areas and prioritize in a realistic sense the areas it should conquer and attempt to hold. Egypt is the worst option, it has been a hotbed for revolt and war since the Tulunids and subsequent failing Sunni realms there lead to the rise of the Fatimid regime. In addition, areas such as Arabia become more and more difficult to hold. Oddly enough, the Hijaz region could be more easily controlled if the connection to it was not blocked by what can jokingly called the production centre for rebellions of both Shi'i and Shurha/Khawarij variety. The region further is inhabited by powerful and independent tribes who dislike the Abbasid rulers. The north toward the Byzantine Empire is certainly not the region with which the Abbasid should be engaging, in fact, the Abbasid poltical climate should be one of allowing its enemies, namely the Fatimids fight the Byzantines, while making preparations for eventual conflict. With regards to Syria, the main issue is securing the cities of Palmyra and Raqqa. Each are the networks which allow trade to reach the Abbasid heartland. The other sections of the Levant could be viewed as difficult to hold, with knowledge of the enemies in Egypt and Byzantium. Iran in my opinion, should be the main interest in Abbasid expansion. That being, removing the need for the western realms in terms of trade for a time, by securing its routes to the east and remaining a powerful entity in the region and restoring its jurisdiction to benefit from the age of intensified Muslim incursions into Hindustan bringing the Abbasid legitimacy of destroying the infidels as well as gaining booty, especially precious metals and slaves.
 

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@John7755 يوحنا Excellent post, fascinating bit of history here. I knew the preceding 9th century was also a time of struggle for Abbasid Caliphate but wasn't aware that the Zanj Rebellion ended up creating a full state apparatus and trade system during the war. Speaking of the rivals of the Abbasids, do you know if the Fatimid uprising and Qarmatian uprising were connected in terms of ideology or if they just ended up erupting in rebellion at the same time due to a weakening of central authority?

Certainly any individual Caliph of the time was fighting against some problems that they can't control, as you describe. The idea of keeping al-Muqtadir as the leader, but having him shaped by fate, realizing just how dire the situation is on the war front, and stepping in to act and save the Caliphate is quite a compelling scenario. Much of a similar appeal to many of the "Last Roman" scenarios here.

By the way, when you refer to trade with the western realms, are you referring to the Christian Mediterranean realms, or the formerly Abbasid trade ports in the Levant, Ifriqiya and Egypt, then controlled by the Tulunids and Fatimids? I wonder if the Abbasids could largely discard the policy of the mamluks and ghilman, opting once again for a predominantly Arab-recruited regular standing army.
 
@SeaCambrian Yes, by western realms, I refer primarily to Egypt and other former Abbasid lands lost prior.

Yes, the Zanj had forged a fairly stable state in the Sawad region. Their city of al-Mukhtara is ranked often as the third largest city in the region of Iraq for the time. In addition, al-Mukhtara is known to have had sprawling markets and wealthy homes built for generals and other illustrious statesmen. The Zanj also minted coins distributed widely across their realm and all the way to Makkah (which was under Zanj control), these coins made reference to their split personality pertaining to religion ugh one side containing the name of the leader of the Zanj, with his full name transcribed; this full name claimed he descended directly from Ali Ibn Talib and this was his primary means of propaganda, that of claiming to be an awaited Imam and most clearly, the incarnation of the famed Yahya ibn Umar and Dibaj al-Shumayy both nearly made deity by Shi’i of the Iraq and Arabia region. Despite this, the other side of the coin depicted the Quranic verse, “Indeed Allah has purchased from the believers their properties (exchanged), for that they will attain paradise.” This verse, is the slogan of the Khawarij abd distributes their often occurring name, al-Shurha, the exchangers, this terms still used by the current Ibadhi sect.

Most of this positive development for the Zanj occurred in a period of 7 years. In 872, the Zanj defeated the primary Abbasid campaign and for the next 7 years, the Zanj ruled relatively without challenge the Sawad region. When in the final years of the rebellion, the siege of al-Mukhtara occurred, al-Mu’Tadid and his father exclaimed, that this rebellion was unlike any other they had seen, its sophisticated nature was u heard of. It speaks to the genius of the Sahib al-Zanj, Ali al-Dibaj, the leader of the revolt.

Yes, the Fatimid distributed da’i across the Islamic world. Da’i means those who spread the faith, roughly a missionary. These Fatimid Da’i expanded across the Islamic world spreading their the Bataanist view of Shi’i Islam and subverting the existing order. These Da’i inspired revolt across the Islamic realm and one such case of induced rebellion, some say, was the Qarmatians. Others included Da’i states that captured sections of the Far East of Islamic realm and the Assassins of Alamut and other Shi’i movements in northern Iran, especially Mazandran.
 
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