WI/AHC: No United Nations

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Nathan Bernacki, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    After World War II, the League of Nations was abolished and it was reborn into the United Nations with the hope that it would prove to be more successful than the League of Nations. In some ways, it has, but in others, it has failed. The Rwandan Genocide, the Serebrenica massacre, Darfur, and the Syrian civil war are just some of the black marks on the UN's history.

    So what would've happened had there been no UN? What would need to happen for this to be achieved?

    Two rules for this challenge

    - The League of Nations remains abolished

    - The Allies have to win World War II
     
  2. Amadeus Well-Known Member

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    In the immediate post-war era the UN played an important role in the Korean War, decolonization, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. Without the UN these events would play out differently.
     
  3. Musadutoe Well-Known Member

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    Despite all of its failures; the U.N. if nothing else has provided a pressure release for international crisis's which if had not been debated, blustered and bogged down in diplomatic rhetoric could have easily brought countries to war for the most childish reasons. We would be living in a more militaristic period of time.

    On a lighter note, less diplomatic plated vehicles illegally parking in NYC and less unpaid traffic and parking violations.
     
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  4. overoceans Well-Known Member

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    That kid has even less luck with using the car to go a-ridin' next Sunday.
     
  5. Peg Leg Pom Well-Known Member

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    There ain't no cure for the summer time blues.
     
  6. Raferty Well-Known Member

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    Less underage children would be raped in conflict zones by UN Peacekeepers.

    That's a plus.
     
  7. FDRFan1943 Member

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    World War III most likely.

    Plus No UNICEF Trick or Treat Boxes.
     
  8. saint-tea Member

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    there would be another organization that would play the un's role. the un is really only a chamber for the great powers of the world to resolve differences and contradictions between themselves, and that's why it was set up in the wake of the war
     
  9. Musadutoe Well-Known Member

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    What episode post WW2 would force this other organization?
     
  10. Raferty Well-Known Member

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    Great power mediation has always been more effective when it is bilateral and involves backchannels. UN Mediation only works when Great Powers are not active combatants.
     
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    Maybe France and Britain hold the line in 1930 and Germany is eventually beaten by the Entente (maybe with Soviet intervention at the end) by around 43. The LoN is seen as a dead letter and without American intervention there is no push for a replacement.
     
  12. Peg Leg Pom Well-Known Member

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    A strong desire by all nations not to be nuked back to the stone age.
     
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  13. Musadutoe Well-Known Member

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    @Peg Leg Pom That much I agree with, but would it be the nuclear testing done by the U.S. at Bikini, the tests performed by Russia, MacArthur threatening to nuke China or the Bay of Pigs? In short, what would be the catalyst?
     
  14. General Tirpitz Well-Known Member

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    The UN provides useful framework for international cooperation. It would be much more inconvenient to organize meetings and various international efforts always on ad hoc basis. This is essentially the same reason why there exists smaller regional multilateral organizations even if they don't necessary have that much power. In addition, it is useful to have various international organizations under the UN umbrella. If the UN wasn't established, something like that would probably still become a thing at some point.

    I do remember George F. Kennan complaining in his memoirs that in his opinion FDR became too conceding towards Stalin because he wanted the Soviet support for the establishment of the UN, something Stalin wasn't completely sold on.
     
  15. Bluesock Banned

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    Perhaps regional orginisations and things like the Commonwealth and French Community can take on some of its humanatarian and peace work
     
  16. Thomas Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    The US and Soviet Union would probably establish "hotlines" much earlier to fill the mediating function of the UN.
     
  17. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    Does that mean crises such as the Berlin Blockade and the Cuban Missile Crisis never happen or end earlier?
     
  18. Peg Leg Pom Well-Known Member

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    The Korean War would be the likely catalyst, though I would expect that there would already be suggestions being made that something should be done to prevent another World War.
     
  19. Musadutoe Well-Known Member

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    I tend to agree, but it would be post Korean War which would make the composition of the USA / South Korean led military interesting.

    At the latest the formation of a U.N. would be post Cuban Missle Crisis.
     
  20. Roosevelt Yankee In Dixie

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    Conventional war between NATO and the USSR comes at some point, probably the 60s.