What if, through 1861 to 1865, there were multiply uprisings in both the Union and the Confederacy? The Uprisings in the North are sponsored by Confederate Agents, Copperheads, and Southern Sympathizers, while the ones in the South are either local, or sponsored by some other power.

List of uprisings
  • Pacific Republic: 1861, In California, the Pacific Conspiracy is successful, as Albert Sidney Johnston sides with the Southern Sympathizers, and revolts against the USA government, taking Oregon, California, and Southern Washington Territory, forming the Pacific Republic
  • Deseret: 1862, The Morrisite War turns into full-scale Mormon Revolution, creating Deseret
  • Free City of New York: 1863, The New York Draft Riots turns to revolution, with the city of New York declaring independence from the Union
  • Free State of Jones: 1863, in the Confederacy, Jones County, or the Free State of Jones, lead by Newton Knight, turns to full-scale revolution against the Confederate Government
  • Second Republic of Texas: 1863-1864, Texas secedes from the Confederacy, sponsored by an outside, foreign power.
  • Northwest Confederacy: 1864, Clement Vallandigham and the Sons of Liberty (Different from the Revolution) revolts against the US Government, and declare the creation of the Northwest Confederacy, claiming Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Kentucky.
How would the Confederate and US government react to these multiply revolts?
How long does these uprisings and revolts last?
Can any of these revolts and uprisings be successful?
Could these revolts tear the nation apart?
How much resources and men be put into these revolts?
Who would be the first to fall?

(Yes, this is the most outlandish idea, but I thought it be interesting. Wish could find a way for New England to secede, but it was not possibly besides a few Conventions about Secession.)
 
They are all pretty outlandish, but thing is, any of them that gets going makes the others all less improbable. The worse the Union does, for instance, the more likely Deseret/New York becomes. When a hegemon looks weak, there's a tendency to pile on. The Pacific conspiracy looks like something that could get the ball rolling, because denying the gold from California would be a huge economic pinch on the Union. Also if that happens, the Mormons might decide to get froggy again.
 

Skallagrim

Banned
An obvious issue is that the CSA was already decidedly weak compared to the USA. Even if both sides face issues like this, the fracturing of the CSA is likely to bolster the Northern cause sufficiently to allow for victory and re-unification.

Additionally, the notion of a Pacific Republic was always far-fetched. Southern sympathisers wanted it, and they were pretty much concentrated in Southern California. If Johnston decides to support them, you'll end up with a bit of a "California Civil War", with the secessionists being only those who are either sympathetic to the South, and those who can stomach allying with the South in order to achieve separation from the USA. A pre-emptive move will give them some initial momentum, but will also galvanise all others against them. So at best, you get a 'de facto' bulwark of Southern-aligned forces controlling Southern California.

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My proposal for getting what the OP seeks is to focus on fracturing the North, and then letting the South splinter after the war is over. This is not entirely implausible: the weakening of the North bolsters the South, but the North still had a huge initial advantage. Suppose that Johnston sides with the Californian secessionists, and a Californian civil war erupts. At the very least, this disrupts all travel to and from California, and creates a huge mess. The Union is somewhat distracted by this, leading some to aggressively question the Anaconda Plan (because the Western / Trans-Mississippi 'wing' of the Confederacy is seen as more threatening/important than in OTL.)

As a result, the Union strategy is less concerted and more dithering, especially after Johnston and his forces manage to get away with winning a pretty major victory out West. The effects back East are that the Union does worse. Specifically, the decision to re-dedicate naval forces to a long journey to California, in order to liberate Los Angeles, is later revealed to have been a huge error: it prevents the OTL fall of New Orleans on schedule. This encourages both the Confederates and anti-Lincoln agitators up North. With the war looking worse for the North, the New York Draft Riots escalate -- resulting in a state of anarchy that isn't quelled in time for the '64 election. At the same time, the Mormons begin to exploit the situation by (informally) moving to secede (as-yet undeclared) "Deseret" from the USA.

We still see Lincoln winning a fiercely contested election in '64, but the war is decidedly dragged out, and Northern discontent mounts. Maybe the anti-Lincoln candidate in '64 had suggested some kind of compromise with the Mormons, but Lincoln's victory puts a spanner in that -- prompting the outbreak of open war in Deseret (which now formally declares independence). With the anti-war party overwhelmingly favoured in NYC, the city declares independence as a Free State. This is followed later by a Native-American revolt in (mainly) the Nebraska Territory, and then -- in '66 or so -- the declaration of independence of the Northwest Confederacy (which includes Lincoln's home state).

At that point, the Union, facing an array of enemies, can no longer maintain its war effort against the Confederacy. With the escalating number of crisis, the Union advance had already been halten, and then -- in places -- reversed outright. Thus, the war comes to an end. The CSA, being greedy as hell, insists on claiming the Upper South for itself, and the broken Union government withdraws from Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and (most embarrassingly) Washington DC. By then, though, the problems of the CSA itself become insurmountable. The long, hard-fought war has wrecked the Southern economy. Much like the veterans of the American War of Independence, the Southern soldiers go unpaid. Mutinies ensue. Meanwhile, Texas looks hungrily at its surroundings. The way the Texians see it, the USA has been cut off from everything West of the Mississippi. Anything not already claimed by Mormons, Californians or Indians is right there for the taking... by Texas!

The decision to annex the Upper South also backfires, when the Appalachian regions -- never all that firmly tied to the low-land slavocracy -- declare independence of their own. The inclusion of Non-Confederate border states makes all the difference there. Thus, a country is born consisting of Kentucky, West Virginia, the Eastern half of Tennessee, the Westernmost bits of Maryland and Virginia, the Northernmost bits of Mississippi and Alabama, and the North-Western tip of Georgia. Michigan, Winsconsin, Iowa and Minnesota, fearful of the Native American war-bands to the West, join the Northwest Confederacy (which rather makes up for not getting Kentucky). To screw the CSA, which did claim Kentucky, the Northwest Confederacy at once recognises the new Appalachian-based country (Franklin? Vandalia?). Meanwhile, Missouri descends into a bit of a civil war, with its Northern portion joining the Northwest Confederacy while its Southern half stays with the CSA.

Texas declares its independence claims Indian Territory, Kansas, and Confederate Arizona + everything East of the Rio Grande. Deseret claims the rest of New Mexico Territory, in addition to (obviously) all of Utah Territory. The settled, coastal regions of Washington Territory and Oregon join the Northern two-thirds of California in becoming (initially) "the Unionist Pacific states", and later "the Republic of the Pacific". The Southern third of California becomes the Republic of Colorado, and enters into a treaty of alliance and commerce with Texas. Meanwhile, East of the Republic of the Pacific, North of Utah, West of the Northwest Confederacy and South of British North America, a large area has been carved out by Native American insurrectionists.

Thus, the former area of the antebellum USA is now divided between ten sovereign countries:
  1. USA
  2. CSA
  3. Republic of the Pacific
  4. Republic of Colorado
  5. Native American country
  6. Republic of Deseret
  7. Republic of Texas
  8. Northwest Confederacy
  9. Appalachian country
  10. Free State of New York
 
Off topic, but if this collapse does happen, would there been a Gilded Age in the Remnant of the USA, or would it be entirely butterflies away?

Also, would it be possible for the USA to reconquer the lesser powerful nations and restore the USA?
 
Another thing, if a “Californian Civil War” does happen, what if Emperor Norton rally’s the people of San Francisco to kick out the southern sympathizers out of their city’s forcing the “Provisional Pacific Government” to flee to a secure position
 

Thomas1195

Banned
Free State of New
Free City of New York. The Upstate would stay.

The US could simply strangle the port, impose tariffs and filling up part of the Erie Canal. Boston would become the megaport if New York chickens out of the US.

Or, Federal troops march in and restore order.
 
An obvious issue is that the CSA was already decidedly weak compared to the USA. Even if both sides face issues like this, the fracturing of the CSA is likely to bolster the Northern cause sufficiently to allow for victory and re-unification.

Additionally, the notion of a Pacific Republic was always far-fetched. Southern sympathisers wanted it, and they were pretty much concentrated in Southern California. If Johnston decides to support them, you'll end up with a bit of a "California Civil War", with the secessionists being only those who are either sympathetic to the South, and those who can stomach allying with the South in order to achieve separation from the USA. A pre-emptive move will give them some initial momentum, but will also galvanise all others against them. So at best, you get a 'de facto' bulwark of Southern-aligned forces controlling Southern California.

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My proposal for getting what the OP seeks is to focus on fracturing the North, and then letting the South splinter after the war is over. This is not entirely implausible: the weakening of the North bolsters the South, but the North still had a huge initial advantage. Suppose that Johnston sides with the Californian secessionists, and a Californian civil war erupts. At the very least, this disrupts all travel to and from California, and creates a huge mess. The Union is somewhat distracted by this, leading some to aggressively question the Anaconda Plan (because the Western / Trans-Mississippi 'wing' of the Confederacy is seen as more threatening/important than in OTL.)

As a result, the Union strategy is less concerted and more dithering, especially after Johnston and his forces manage to get away with winning a pretty major victory out West. The effects back East are that the Union does worse. Specifically, the decision to re-dedicate naval forces to a long journey to California, in order to liberate Los Angeles, is later revealed to have been a huge error: it prevents the OTL fall of New Orleans on schedule. This encourages both the Confederates and anti-Lincoln agitators up North. With the war looking worse for the North, the New York Draft Riots escalate -- resulting in a state of anarchy that isn't quelled in time for the '64 election. At the same time, the Mormons begin to exploit the situation by (informally) moving to secede (as-yet undeclared) "Deseret" from the USA.

We still see Lincoln winning a fiercely contested election in '64, but the war is decidedly dragged out, and Northern discontent mounts. Maybe the anti-Lincoln candidate in '64 had suggested some kind of compromise with the Mormons, but Lincoln's victory puts a spanner in that -- prompting the outbreak of open war in Deseret (which now formally declares independence). With the anti-war party overwhelmingly favoured in NYC, the city declares independence as a Free State. This is followed later by a Native-American revolt in (mainly) the Nebraska Territory, and then -- in '66 or so -- the declaration of independence of the Northwest Confederacy (which includes Lincoln's home state).

At that point, the Union, facing an array of enemies, can no longer maintain its war effort against the Confederacy. With the escalating number of crisis, the Union advance had already been halten, and then -- in places -- reversed outright. Thus, the war comes to an end. The CSA, being greedy as hell, insists on claiming the Upper South for itself, and the broken Union government withdraws from Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and (most embarrassingly) Washington DC. By then, though, the problems of the CSA itself become insurmountable. The long, hard-fought war has wrecked the Southern economy. Much like the veterans of the American War of Independence, the Southern soldiers go unpaid. Mutinies ensue. Meanwhile, Texas looks hungrily at its surroundings. The way the Texians see it, the USA has been cut off from everything West of the Mississippi. Anything not already claimed by Mormons, Californians or Indians is right there for the taking... by Texas!

The decision to annex the Upper South also backfires, when the Appalachian regions -- never all that firmly tied to the low-land slavocracy -- declare independence of their own. The inclusion of Non-Confederate border states makes all the difference there. Thus, a country is born consisting of Kentucky, West Virginia, the Eastern half of Tennessee, the Westernmost bits of Maryland and Virginia, the Northernmost bits of Mississippi and Alabama, and the North-Western tip of Georgia. Michigan, Winsconsin, Iowa and Minnesota, fearful of the Native American war-bands to the West, join the Northwest Confederacy (which rather makes up for not getting Kentucky). To screw the CSA, which did claim Kentucky, the Northwest Confederacy at once recognises the new Appalachian-based country (Franklin? Vandalia?). Meanwhile, Missouri descends into a bit of a civil war, with its Northern portion joining the Northwest Confederacy while its Southern half stays with the CSA.

Texas declares its independence claims Indian Territory, Kansas, and Confederate Arizona + everything East of the Rio Grande. Deseret claims the rest of New Mexico Territory, in addition to (obviously) all of Utah Territory. The settled, coastal regions of Washington Territory and Oregon join the Northern two-thirds of California in becoming (initially) "the Unionist Pacific states", and later "the Republic of the Pacific". The Southern third of California becomes the Republic of Colorado, and enters into a treaty of alliance and commerce with Texas. Meanwhile, East of the Republic of the Pacific, North of Utah, West of the Northwest Confederacy and South of British North America, a large area has been carved out by Native American insurrectionists.

Thus, the former area of the antebellum USA is now divided between ten sovereign countries:
  1. USA
  2. CSA
  3. Republic of the Pacific
  4. Republic of Colorado
  5. Native American country
  6. Republic of Deseret
  7. Republic of Texas
  8. Northwest Confederacy
  9. Appalachian country
  10. Free State of New York

Respectfully you started off making sense, but then you went off the rails. LA going pro CSA was put down by local forces. There was no popular base to build a Republic of the Pacific. The rest of California, along with Oregon, and Washington States stayed loyal to the Union. The Mormon War was over, if they revolted again 1, or 2 divisions of infantry, and a 2 or 3 regiments of cavalry raised in California, Colorado, and Nevada would deal with the Saints of Salt Lake. The Indians were too disunited, there was a rising in Minnesota in 1862, but it was quickly put down. What would be the point of Texas revolting against the CSA? The Appalachian region was pro union, but were stuck with the CSA, why alienate both sides? New York City monied interests tried that in 1861, with no success. The 1863 revolt was blown to pieces. Most Americans are just to practical to join Dead End Movements, and all of these are Dead End Movements.
 

Skallagrim

Banned
Free City of New York. The Upstate would stay.

The US could simply strangle the port, impose tariffs and filling up part of the Erie Canal. Boston would become the megaport if New York chickens out of the US.

Or, Federal troops march in and restore order.
OP had it as 'free state', so I went with that. Obviously, it would be a city-state. I don't know what kind of name they were aiming for in OTL (or if they ever even settled on anything, since the secession movement never really coalesced in NYC, obviously).

Regarding viability, I tend to believe that city-states are more realistic than is often assumed. The crux is in the "federal troops marching in" bit. The (admittedly quite a bit 'reaching') scenario I proposed sees the Union very messed-up, to the extent that any reconquests may simply not be a prospect. Since the CSA also collapses, Britain is presumably very happy. A "properly divided" North America, and they didn't even have to do anything! So, should I find myself in charge of the British government at that juncture, I'd recognise NYC post-haste, and quickly offer the Royal Navy's protection in return for trade opportunities.

This leaves the possibilities of the (rump-)USA trying to strangle the city, but that doesn't seem realistic to me. Boston is not a competitor on the scale of NYC, and -- to be quite frank -- can't hope to become such a thing. NYC is truly magnificently positioned, and I don't believe any city on the astern sea-board could really compete on that level. Any potential contenders are now in the CSA or otherwise right on the border (and thus at risk in the event of a future war, which would surely be feared).

In short: if the USA can get its act together in time to retake NYC before Britain can swoop in, they can win this. But that's a narrow window. (Again, if I found myself in British shoes, I'd have my consul already there, with the Britain-New York treaty drafted and in hand, ready to present it to his New York counterparts as soon as the general peace treaty ending the war is concluded. And I'd have had the actual diplomatic discussion well beforehand, so that things would go smoothly, and it would literally be a matter of hours.)

Respectfully you started off making sense, but then you went off the rails. LA going pro CSA was put down by local forces. There was no popular base to build a Republic of the Pacific. The rest of California, along with Oregon, and Washington States stayed loyal to the Union. The Mormon War was over, if they revolted again 1, or 2 divisions of infantry, and a 2 or 3 regiments of cavalry raised in California, Colorado, and Nevada would deal with the Saints of Salt Lake. The Indians were too disunited, there was a rising in Minnesota in 1862, but it was quickly put down. What would be the point of Texas revolting against the CSA? The Appalachian region was pro union, but were stuck with the CSA, why alienate both sides? New York City monied interests tried that in 1861, with no success. The 1863 revolt was blown to pieces. Most Americans are just to practical to join Dead End Movements, and all of these are Dead End Movements.
There are two aspects to my post. The first, brief one, to point out certain issues, and the second ('scenario') bit, to try and meet the challenge. One may liken this to the 'mythbusters' format. I think the idea raised is not very plausible, but not outright impossible, either. The scenario I have presented is one I'd call an outlier. The more probable course of events is that things collapse before they can get critical. That being said, the possibility of escalation must never be under-estimated to the point of excluding it too hastily.

What I have outlined is a cascade scenario, where the dominoes just start falling. To address some individual points, and clarify my thinking on those:

-- Albert Sidney Johnston siding with the insurrectionists is a fairly huge POD and should not be under-estimated. It would give them a certain legitimacy in the eyes of quite a few interested observers (esp. in the military), and we might say it lends them some 'cachet' with segments of the public. More practically, it would give them immediate access to weapons and other matériel. No less importantly, however, it would give them an able commander. I rate A.S. Johnston very highly, and consider his OTL death in battle to be a hard blow to the CSA. (In addition, of course, everything they gain from this POD, will conversely be denied to their opponents.)

-- The other revolutions I suggested, I envision as the result of a worse and dragged-out war. You point to the facts of OTL, but how often do we not envision timelines where some disaster is averted by a POD, and a subsequent chain of events that caused disaster in OTL does not occur? Things can turn around, and that goes both ways. Discontent that in OTL existed against a backdrop of a war that the Union was winning (albeit at considerable cost) would certainly grow worse in an ATL where things are more grim. They were dead-end movements in OTL, and people are too practical to join those. But there is a point where such things look sufficiently realistic to a sufficient number of people. (And that sufficient number can still be a small minority; most revolutions, including successful ones, are kicked off by small groups of dedicated people.)

-- The Appalachian question in particular, I see as a result of Confederate greed. Going by their sense of self-importance, there is no doubt in my mind that they would want to seize the (Unionist!) border states. At the same time, I have outlined a worse and longer war (going until late '66, perhapse early '67). In OTL, the CSA was economically collapsing by '65. Even without Sherman's march, the economic realities would not be meaningfully different. Thus, I would project enormous discontent. The Appalachian region was already inclined against the CSA's slavocratic low-country elitist government. Discontent plus the addition of a considerable Unionist swath of the Appalachians would make Appalachian secession viable.

-- Texas, likewise, would by this point have begun to see the rest of the CSA as heavy weight dragging it down. Independence achieved, why suffer post-war because of vast debts incurred by a war fought (almost?) entirely outside of Texas? Unilateral independence = no more war debt. Also, there's a lot of Western land to be claimed, and as part of the CSA, Texas would only get to watch as the CA partitions that into other slave states. But the CSA is already a debt-riddled, teetering crap-sack economy as it is. If Texas goes its own way and claims all that land for itself... there's nothing Jeff Davis can do about it. If opportunity knocks, you open the door. In this case, the door is marked 'exit'.
 

Thomas1195

Banned
This leaves the possibilities of the (rump-)USA trying to strangle the city, but that doesn't seem realistic to me. Boston is not a competitor on the scale of NYC, and -- to be quite frank -- can't hope to become such a thing. NYC is truly magnificently positioned, and I don't believe any city on the astern sea-board could really compete on that level. Any potential contenders are now in the CSA or otherwise right on the border (and thus at risk in the event of a future war, which would surely be feared).
The problem is that the rump US would pour its resources to Boston to shore it up. I mean, Boston would now become the rump US primary port. It can also do something with the Erie Canal to fuck up NYC, or imposing an alternative Navigation Act on the city state, or worse, cut off food supply, if not closing the port outright like the Dutch did with Antwerp in the past. In other words, the US could and would wage an economic warfare on the Free State of New York. This scenario would mirror the Armsterdam vs Antwerp one.

In addition, any act of sending Federal troops or National Guards would have to be done quickly and swiftly.
 
The problem is that the rump US would pour its resources to Boston to shore it up. I mean, Boston would now become the rump US primary port. It can also do something with the Erie Canal to fuck up NYC, or imposing an alternative Navigation Act on the city state, or worse, cut off food supply, if not closing the port outright like the Dutch did with Antwerp in the past. In other words, the US could and would wage an economic warfare on the Free State of New York. This scenario would mirror the Armsterdam vs Antwerp one.

In addition, any act of sending Federal troops or National Guards would have to be done quickly and swiftly.

The whole idea is completely unrealistic. If NYC, with in 1961 was only Manhattan Island declared it's independence the New York State Militia would occupy the city. Only a narrow monied interest, which wanted to continue trading with the South wanted that. The broader public had no interest in such nonsense. The later draft riots were about just that, the draft, and the attendant class issues. If the British wouldn't recognize the CSA, with it's vast territory, millions of people, military ability to resist, and economic power of Cotton, their not going to intervene for NYC.

As an aside to a none issue Boston can't compete with NYC as a port, or economic hub. The size of the ports, and NYC's geographic location put it in a class of it's own.
 

Thomas1195

Banned
or NYC.

As an aside to a none issue Boston can't compete with NYC as a port, or economic hub. The size of the ports, and NYC's geographic location put it in a class of it's own
But it would end up like Antwerp or worse if it stays alone, surrounded by a rather hostile US.
 
But it would end up like Antwerp or worse if it stays alone, surrounded by a rather hostile US.

It doesn't last more then a few days before it's occupied by pro Union Forces. The people living there didn't want to be independent, the whole idea is silly. Antwerp had a history of being an autonomous merchant city, NYC was part of a large national state.
 
Another thing, if the country does collapse, with multiply Republics and Free States forming, how would this effect the construction of the Transcontinental Railroad?
 
I'm starting to think that the Confederate's greed would encourage Lincoln to actually take unionist partisans seriously, and the u.s may actually begin to funnel large amounts of weapons and ammunition to guerrilla bands like the knight company and the lowery gang in order to sew chaos throughout the south.
 
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-- Texas, likewise, would by this point have begun to see the rest of the CSA as heavy weight dragging it down. Independence achieved, why suffer post-war because of vast debts incurred by a war fought (almost?) entirely outside of Texas? Unilateral independence = no more war debt. Also, there's a lot of Western land to be claimed, and as part of the CSA, Texas would only get to watch as the CA partitions that into other slave states. But the CSA is already a debt-riddled, teetering crap-sack economy as it is. If Texas goes its own way and claims all that land for itself... there's nothing Jeff Davis can do about it. If opportunity knocks, you open the door. In this case, the door is marked 'exit'.

The problem for Texas is that it would still have been relatively small population-wise and would have been vulnerable to an irredentist Mexican Empire (still under Maximilian I, since the US wouldn't be able to effectively support Juarez in a CSA-wins scenario), so would have needed to stay in the CSA for military protection. Of the scenarios outlined in the original post, I think the independent Mormon state is the most plausible, as the Mormons were pretty well-organized and would have had a stronger incentive to formally break away from the US than New York City or Ohio. This might in turn spur the breakaway of the Pacific states, as they would effectively be cut off by land from the rest of the US.
 
I have always imagined that this would be doable in a world where America had annexed the entirety of Mexico - taking advantage of the chaos caused by Southern secession, Mexican nationalists attempt to reassert their own independence.
 
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