Those pictures posted above actually raise another interesting prospect - what if National Bolshevism becomes a serious ideology amongst African nations?
Very interesting idea, and that was actually something that crossed my mind when I read this thread for some reason.Those pictures posted above actually raise another interesting prospect - what if National Bolshevism becomes a serious ideology amongst African nations?
This inspired an idea of my own - the creator of Russian National Bolshevism, Nikolai Ustryalov, ends up in Ethiopia after the Russian Civil War ends in Bolshevik victory where his writings centered around the "National-Bolshevik state" gain traction in the Ethiopian intelligentsia in the 1920s and 1930s. The Italian invasion and occupation of Ethiopia comes along as it did IOTL but National Bolshevik ideology soon becomes an influential ideology as Tekle Wolde Hawariat abandons his support for the Ethiopian Monarchy due to being disillusioned with Haile Selassie who has fled abroad. Successfully establishing a central organization over the Arbegnoch via Ras Abebe Aregai, National Bolshevism comes to be the official ideology of the Patriots ITTL as the Second World War occurs as it did IOTL - except the National Bolsheviks now dominate Ethiopia's post-occupation government.How about there are some small fascist (or far-right at the most) movements (again, perhaps as a result of the alternate scenario where Ethiopia joins the Axis) and communist movements existing close to each other, and hostility exists between the two. Over time however, they start to realise that the amount of time they spend fighting might weaken themselves. They agree to some sort of peace, and relations between the two start to become more positive when they come to the conclusion that there might be a bigger threat/opposition to both of them (perhaps the capitalist government?). It will be slow, but a National Bolshevism-esque movement could come about.
Definitely - might even work as apart of a larger Fascist Africa TL . . .By the way, I just want to say that I also find this thread idea in general to be very interesting. Could make for a good TL even.
you also had a form of explicitly anti-racist Fascism in Brazilian Integralism so something similar to that could be developed.
Are they not? I'm going off H.R. Morgan's Codex Fascismo and they seem at least somewhat Fascist to me but I could be wrong.Integralism wasn't fascism, they were reactinary right wing catholics who adopted the fascist aesthetic for the lulz.
That aesthetic also ruined their credibility in the post war.
Are they not? I'm going off H.R. Morgan's Codex Fascismo and they seem at least somewhat Fascist to me but I could be wrong.
Didn't they also favor the establishment of national direct democracy in the October Manifesto as apart of this decentralization you mentioned?They rejected totalitarism, the concept of "Everything within the state", they also rejected fascist futurism, they adopted catholic distributism as their policy and rejected corporatism. Salgado was a vocal opponent to Hitler and Mussolini for diverses reasons, especially for the fantasious concept of "national races". The integralists were basically the generic "THE FRENCH REVOLUTION RUINED EVERYTHING" catholic group, so much that they supported a very decentralized society, were against industrialization as they fantasiezed that the perfect society was the manoralistic one in the farms and while exiled in Portugal in 1943, Salgado comemorated the allied liberation of Rome from fascist italy. However, you can classify them as proto fascists if you want to, as they adopted the fascistic aesthetic and the salute.
Didn't they also favor the establishment of national direct democracy in the October Manifesto as apart of this decentralization you mentioned?
This is news to me, I've been looking through his works - where can I find the Integralists' desire for these things?Yes, they did. Salgado was a fanboy of feudalism and the concept of a agrarian self sufficient society with minimal government interference. He basically wanted to roll the clock back to 1789.
This is news to me, I've been looking through his works - where can I find the Integralists' desire for these things?
You couldn't have made it more clear.On my case I found on the book "The revolutionary thinking of Plínio Salgado" that I bought in a brechó, but it is in portuguese... I did some search and found it here. Just to make it clear, I dislike integralism.
If Ethiopia was able to undergo a National Bolshevist revolution as a response to Italian colonization as described, is there any way the new nation would be able to absorb the other Italian colonies on its borders? 20th century decolonization spearheaded by the National Bolshevist Republic of the Horn would certainly throw the typical Cold War scenario for a loop. Some sort of regional rivalry with a Ba'athist collection of states in the Arabian peninsula would be a plus and give plenty of opportunities for the great powers to try and meddle.Definitely - might even work as apart of a larger Fascist Africa TL . . .
Oh you mean like fascists?They wouldn't get along with the other fascist, due to the central tenement being a nation/people
Depending on how the Ethiopian resistance organizes itself during the Italian occupation, I don't see why not - however, the only Italian colony Ethiopia is likely to obtain is Eritrea but it could potentially nab French Somaliland as well if Ethiopia avoids the Second Italo-Ethiopian War or manages to win it.If Ethiopia was able to undergo a National Bolshevist revolution as a response to Italian colonization as described, is there any way the new nation would be able to absorb the other Italian colonies on its borders? 20th century decolonization spearheaded by the National Bolshevist Republic of the Horn would certainly throw the typical Cold War scenario for a loop. Some sort of regional rivalry with a Ba'athist collection of states in the Arabian peninsula would be a plus and give plenty of opportunities for the great powers to try and meddle.
What an interesting timeline!I’m actually do a time line like this
Link:https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...r-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-afro-reich.463330/