WI: Adolf Hitler, Tito, Trotsky, Stalin, and Freud at Cafe Central were bombed at Cafe Central, Wien

What if in January 1913, the people above, were bombed and killed by the Black Hand, as a terrorist attack in Vienna?
 
You know, it almost sounds like the beginning of a joke. Stalin, Hitler,Tito, Trotsky and Freud were sitting in a bar..............

But it also sounds vanishingly unlikely. I don't see dirt poor Hitler frequenting the same cafes as Freud for example. How old was Tito in 1913?

OTOH as wiking wrote if they had been killed the changes in history would be massive.
 
You know, it almost sounds like the beginning of a joke. Stalin, Hitler,Tito, Trotsky and Freud were sitting in a bar..............

But it also sounds vanishingly unlikely. I don't see dirt poor Hitler frequenting the same cafes as Freud for example. How old was Tito in 1913?

OTOH as wiking wrote if they had been killed the changes in history would be massive.
Search up Cafe Central, Vienna.
 
You know, it almost sounds like the beginning of a joke. Stalin, Hitler,Tito, Trotsky and Freud were sitting in a bar..............

But it also sounds vanishingly unlikely. I don't see dirt poor Hitler frequenting the same cafes as Freud for example. How old was Tito in 1913?

OTOH as wiking wrote if they had been killed the changes in history would be massive.

Tito was 21 years so not impossible him being there. But it is indeed implausible that they all would be on same time on same place and would be all killed on explosion. Either there is so much of explosives that whole cafeteria is totally destroyer or then they all sit on same table.

And why we should always kill Freud on these scenarios? What against him?
 
Assuming the Bolsheviks still win the revolution, I wonder who becomes Soviet leader after Lenin dies? I'd imagine it's going to be either Bukharin, Kamenev, or Zinoviev.
 
Freud's basic/essential theories already exist and are published by 1913 so only minor changes in respect of whether he was there or not. Some of his later work would be done by others possibly with different conclusions but, as Freud was in many ways misguided, that might actually advance rather than retard psychotherapy.
Tito isn't really a very significant factor prior to 1941 so Yugoslav interwar history is not going to be changed much, if at all.
Trotsky - huge changes in the Russian Empire from 1917 on. Trotsky was as important (some have quite convincingly argued more important) than Lenin in the success of the Bolshevik Revolution and achieving a peace deal with Germany. And much more important than Lenin in achieving victory over the Whites in the Russian Civil War and in restoring the economy to working order under the NEP.
Hitler really becomes a significant factor in 1923 when his Munich putsch's failure pre-empts and derails any possibility of Bavarian succession and re-establishment of the monarchy under Rupprecht. So huge changes to German history from 1923 on.
Stalin - really only becomes a significant factor after deaths of Sverdlov and Lenin. Without Trotsky and a successful Bolshevik Revolution. Stalin might never have been anything other than a fringe terrorist.
History would remember the event as "tragic death of one of the early pioneers of pyschotherapy plus two nonentities and two Russian political dissidents"
 

Tyr Anazasi

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History would be so radically different the butterflies would be impossible to predict. As it stood though history up to probably the early 1920s would be nearly the same.

Indeed. Nothing to add.

It would have been the only terrorist attack to prevent more damage than done.
 
Or not quite as bad. Hitler and Stalin (and Mao and Pol Pot) were so monstrous that they largely discredited totalitarianism for a couple of generations. What if a couple of "Mussolini" level dictators had ruled Germany and Russia for a time. Not rabidly anti-Semitic or genocidal (though probably some forced population movements), not ideologically driven to the point of lunacy -genuinely develop the economy and improve infrastructure and institute social reforms. Society in that TL would firmly believe in the strong man fallacy and the concept of the dictator and not be concerned about a few minor murders here and there.
 
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