WI: A World without AIDS

Glen

Moderator
Straha said:
More focus on the development of other medical areas. In handling viruses/retroviruses wed' be 10 years behind while eery else 5-10 years ahead in medicine. also significantly weaker social conservative and health nazi movements.

I agree we'd be behind in our knowledge of viruses and retroviruses.

Not certain that we'd be all of 10 years ahead in other areas of medicine, maybe the 5 years.

I don't think it will make a huge impact on the conservative movement, as there are plenty of other factors driving it.

Health Nazi?:confused:
 

Straha

Banned
Glen said:
I agree we'd be behind in our knowledge of viruses and retroviruses.

Not certain that we'd be all of 10 years ahead in other areas of medicine, maybe the 5 years.

I don't think it will make a huge impact on the conservative movement, as there are plenty of other factors driving it.

Health Nazi?:confused:
Yes. Health nazis. The ones who want to use propaganda/government regulation to attempt to force peopel to be bhealthy. Most of them are liberal. The anti-tobacco movement is part of the health nazis.
 

Glen

Moderator
Straha said:
Yes. Health nazis. The ones who want to use propaganda/government regulation to attempt to force peopel to be bhealthy. Most of them are liberal. The anti-tobacco movement is part of the health nazis.

Ah...again, doubt much effect, as they are driven by other factors. If anything, more success for them as they have an easier sell with those other things than a pro-condom campaign...
 
Man, imagine the songs that we will never hear becuase Freddy Mercury died.


It would have been so cool to go see the Queen concert in 2005 with a slighty fat and nearly bald Freddy Mercury who can still belt out a song like no one else.

"Who wants to live forever?"
 
Abdul Hadi Pasha said:
I would have had a lot more fun in college.
Agreed:) The Sexual Revolution would never have been reversed, although it probably would have lost its goofier excesses just b/c they'd no longer be seen as "political" statements.

As a general matter, I would say that the "gay rights movement" would not be at all recognizable -- there would be much less pro-rights organization and much less anti-rights organization.

By diverting research dollars, we'd probably be further along with the herpes and HPV vaccines and further along in cancer research, but much much further behind in the general theory of immunology. We've learned so much from watching the terrifyingly well-selected methods that HIV uses to propigate.
 
orbeyonde said:
Man, imagine the songs that we will never hear becuase Freddy Mercury died.


It would have been so cool to go see the Queen concert in 2005 with a slighty fat and nearly bald Freddy Mercury who can still belt out a song like no one else.

"Who wants to live forever?"

Freddy was the queeniest gay queen ever. No way he lets himself go bald. But yeah, it would be so much fun to have Queen still around -- no doubt they'd have a top-rated reality show and a couple collaborations with younger pop bands.
 
A World without AIDS...

Well, lots of nations in Africa would be MUCH more stable, and the world popualtion would be booming. Perhaps to the point it causes more problems. Of course Africa would still have nations led by lunatics, but it would be MUCH better than today. Perhaps Africa could even become fully stable? What a thought!
 

Glen

Moderator
Pyth said:
A World without AIDS...

Well, lots of nations in Africa would be MUCH more stable, and the world popualtion would be booming. Perhaps to the point it causes more problems. Of course Africa would still have nations led by lunatics, but it would be MUCH better than today. Perhaps Africa could even become fully stable? What a thought!

Again, I have to point out that it is unlikely that the world would be more populated, but rather the age distribution of the population would be shifted lower.

Heck, with increased life expectancies, it might actually have a slight drag on population growth...naw, but probably is about OTL.

More stable, definitely. Fully stable? Wasn't AIDS alone that was the problem.
 
Glen said:
Health Nazi?:confused:

Heath nazi - a term often used by neo-nazi types, most famously various tobacco companies and their stooges, to deride people who wish to make their own decisions. Like the historical nazis they are persistent liars and often accuse their opponents of what they do themselves. The classic examples are the bigots who insist that they will make everybody smoke because they want to smoke themselves and don't give a damn about anyone else's views or desires.:D

Steve
 
Hudson

Rock Hudson and Liberace live to ripe old age. Hudson does cameo appearances in the movie remake of the tv series 'McMillian and Wife' and also in 'Down with Love' - which is basically a takeoff on all the Hudson/Doris Day movies.

Hudson also stars in a sequel to the 1971 movie "Pretty Maids all in a row" that comes out in the late 80's or early 90's. In this movie, Hudson comes back to Oceanfront high, his old school, after spending the last decade and a half hiding out in Brazil with his wife and daughter after suspicion of the murders he committed in the first film. He finds out upon return that Ponce, his assistant coach with the football team and protege back in 71, is now the Guidance Counselor and Football Coach at Oceanfront. He sees Ponce outside counseling a teenage boy that comes to him about problems with women(played by someone like Brian Austin Green or Chris Young or Keith Coogan). When Tiger McDrew(Hudson's character in the film) comes up on Ponce, he is amazed. They go for a beer, and Hudson tells him about how he came back to see how he was doing and to ask his help in hiding out from Telly Savalas's character, Detective Surcher, who has been tracking him since 71.
 
Medical research would be changed even discounting reallocation of research dollars and less knowledge of immunology. ACT UP and similar organizations put pressure on the FDA to reduce the time needed to approve drugs for prescription. Had there been no AIDS virus, the amount of time between a drug's discovery and its use would be greater. This would decrease the amount of drugs on the market- and may prevent some of the more recent drug scandals.

Also, there would be more hemophiliacs... And needle exchanges wouldn't be as prominent.
 
I think that regardless of any social consequences, 3 million still alive and 40 million uninfected is an improvement, especially for Africa.
 

Glen

Moderator
Medical research would be changed even discounting reallocation of research dollars and less knowledge of immunology. ACT UP and similar organizations put pressure on the FDA to reduce the time needed to approve drugs for prescription. Had there been no AIDS virus, the amount of time between a drug's discovery and its use would be greater. This would decrease the amount of drugs on the market- and may prevent some of the more recent drug scandals.

Also, there would be more hemophiliacs... And needle exchanges wouldn't be as prominent.

True. Also less treatments available.
 
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