WI: A victorious Nazi Germany deports most of the French population to Algeria

So basically the Germans have just basically shutdown the whole of Western European industry and agriculture in complete contradiction to their war aims? I have to ask, why?
 
Did Hitler even have that much of a hatred for the French? I always thought he respected them to a degree, given how they were treated compared to the Polish/Ukrainians/Russians/etc.
 

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I read once in Hitler’s New Order that the UK population was to decrease by 97% and just left with no people on the islands. I thought why such a astronomical decrease and what’s going to happen to them all. It was so simple in the end. The population was to be killed. Once you start applying Mass extermination to Jewish and Slavic people why not apply it to every single race within Europe. Then it’s Eurasia and finally the planet. It un-imaginable but incomprehensible at the same time.
I'd never seen anything even close to that about the UK's population. Hitler rather saw the British as Aryan, or semi-Aryan, much like the Scandinavian and French/Low Countries populations. While there is no doubt that the Reich would have liquidated large numbers of "enemies of the state" a total depopulation wasn't on the table.

The thing about the Nazis was that they had this really difficult to comprehend sort of racism/race hatred where two four-five year old brothers could be standing side by side and one would be taken to be raised as a future Reich citizen by SS Families than the other might be shot out of hand simply because one had lighter hair than the other, or blue eyes instead of green. The casual horror of the Reich World View is one of the most terrible of the realities of the Nazi era.
 
I'd never seen anything even close to that about the UK's population. Hitler rather saw the British as Aryan, or semi-Aryan, much like the Scandinavian and French/Low Countries populations. While there is no doubt that the Reich would have liquidated large numbers of "enemies of the state" a total depopulation wasn't on the table.

The thing about the Nazis was that they had this really difficult to comprehend sort of racism/race hatred where two four-five year old brothers could be standing side by side and one would be taken to be raised as a future Reich citizen by SS Families than the other might be shot out of hand simply because one had lighter hair than the other, or blue eyes instead of green. The casual horror of the Reich World View is one of the most terrible of the realities of the Nazi era.

Basically Otto Brautigam said in his book decades after ww2 that he once read a report in which Eduard Wagner said he talked with Himmler who said he planned to kill 80% of the population of France/England upon victory. Its not really a reliable fact.
 
Basically Otto Brautigam said in his book decades after ww2 that he once read a report in which Eduard Wagner said he talked with Himmler who said he planned to kill 80% of the population of France/England upon victory. Its not really a reliable fact.

Are you calling Heinrich Himmler unreliable? He would be shocked at you.

It sounds unreliable because it’s hearsay from hearsay but the insanity of the claim makes it all the more believable.

If they are so twitchy about blue eyes over green eyes and they can nearly accomplish the mass extermination of a race and Hermann Goring can draw up his “Green Folder” anything is possible. Hitler wanted to demolish Leningrad and sink Moscow are just a few examples of ultra mass murder on a engineering scale. Just look at the Pabst plan: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabst_Plan)

I would not underestimate the Nazi’s. People did not believe they could do what they did and people would never believe that Goring’s Green Folder is possible because it entails the massacring 250 million Slavic people through starvation.(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göring's_Green_Folder)

What is even more disturbing is that if they can plan this and carry it out which possible then why not draw up plans against Africa, Middle East, Asia etc.

Remember that’s what Hitler geopolitically wanted. He just did not want the land for ‘living space’ that was only a quarter of the cake. He wanted the rich lands of oil, coal, mineral worth, industrialisation, factories, dams, agriculture and rivers as an expansion to the Rhine, Ruhr and Saar.

This ‘Great War’ to destroy communism and exterminate the Slavic people could be the pretext to destroy other foreign countries and enslave their races. As the Germanisation of Pagan lands and Poland since the 12th century was the foundation of Hitler’s New Order.

The point is... and this sounds utterly sick. Why share being apart of an ‘Aryan race’ when the Germans are the ‘Aryan Race’. Hitler or is successors could easily rip up this collection of declared ‘Aryan Races’ and declare Germans as the ‘Masters of the world’.

Thank goodness we won the war...
 
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I think a slighty more "plausible" deportation is that Germany deports French from border regions near Germany, leading to Vichy france trying to send them to Algeria, with all the trouble that would ensue.
 
I just do not get the impression that Hitler had the same visceral "racial" hatred of the French he had toward the Jews and Slavs. Yes, there's some pretty strong anti-French stuff in Mein Kampf (the French are a menace to the white race because they use African troops in the Rhineland, etc.) but remember that this was a product of the Ruhr-occupation era, when such sentiments were pretty common in Germany. During the 1930's Nazi diplomats tried to reassure the French that with France gone from the Rhineland, Hitler's anti-French attitudes were a thing of the past. Well, they would say that, wouldn't they? All the same, Hitler's remarks about France in the Table Talks (assuming their authenticity) while to some extent contemptuous of the French and suspicious of their intentions do not really seem to contemplate the extinction of the French--rather he seems to be saying he can make no deal with the French until he can be sure there is no longer any power to the east of Germany with which they could ever align themselves; that even then the French will be fundamentally hostile but that won't be so bad because Germany will control Europe as far as the Urals and have a strong ally in Italy and can utilize the divisions among the French themselves:

"It's a fact that, from a global point of view, the French are behaving very badly, but all the same they're closely related to us..."

"France remains hostile to us. She contains, in addition to her Nordic blood, a blood that will always be foreign to us. In addition to Paris, which is more spontaneous in its reactions, she has the clerical and masonic South. In imitation of Talleyrand in 1815, the French try to profit by our moments of weakness to get the greatest possible advantage from the situation. But with me they won't succeed in their plans. There's no possibility of our making any pact with the French before we've definitely ensured our power. Our policy, at this moment, must consist in cleverly playing off one lot against the other. There must be two Frances. Thus, the French who have compromised themselves with us will find it to their own interests that we should remain in Paris as long as possible. But our best protection against France will be for us to maintain a strong friendship, lasting for centuries, with Italy. Unlike France, Italy is inspired by political notions that are close to ours...

"If I'm told that some countries want to remain democrats — very well, they must remain democrats at all costs ! The French, for example, ought to retain their parties. The more social-revolutionary parties they have in their midst, the better it will be for us. The way we're behaving just now is exactly right. Many Frenchmen won't want us to leave Paris, since their relations with us have made them suspect in the eyes of the Vichy French. Similarly, Vichy perhaps does not take too dim a view of our being installed in Paris, since, if we weren't there, they would have to beware of revolutionary movements.

"France, with its two-children families, is doomed to stagnation and its situation can only get worse. The products of French industry do not lack quality. But the danger, for France, is that the spirit of routine may triumph over the
generative impulses of progress...

"We must take care to prevent a military power from ever again establishing itself on this side of the Urals, for our neighbours to the West would always be allied with our neighbours to the East. That's how the French once made common cause with the Turks, and now the English are behaving in the same fashion with the Soviets..." https://archive.org/stream/HitlerTableTalk/Hitler TableTalk_djvu.txt

And it is noteworthy that when Hitler speaks of Lebensraum for the Germans in Europe it is always the East he talks about, never the West. Yes, there had been plans to remove the French from the "closed zone" west of Alsace-Lorraine and open it to German colonization but "Following the commencement of Operation Barbarossa in June 1941, any lingering German ambitions to expand the Reich westward beyond annexation of Alsace-Lorraine and Luxembourg were, for all intents and purposes, abandoned. The war with the Soviet Union brought the prospect of vast conquests in the East that would have taken decades (if not generations) to colonize. Hitler, who had always believed Germany's destiny lay in the east, basically lost whatever interest he had in diverting German settlers and resources from the East in an effort to colonize what he saw to be Germany's relatively "civilized" western neighbors. During the night of 17–18 December 1941, the German troops guarding the line were simply withdrawn, as the military commander of France Otto von Stülpnagel decided that diverting increasingly limited German manpower to guard a line that he deemed as being merely illusionary (since virtually the whole population had returned) could no longer be justified.[4] Nevertheless, in theory the line continued to exist for the rest of the German occupation.[4]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_interdite
 

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Logistically how is it possible to deport / kill millions of french plus do all the terrible things in the east?
I see this over and over again, people seem to greatly overestimate the capabilities of german war machine and they seem to be capable of all kinds of acheving extraordinary, insurmountable, diabolical tasks in addition to the usual horrors of the nazi regime in the OTL.
 
Logistically how is it possible to deport / kill millions of french plus do all the terrible things in the east?
I see this over and over again, people seem to greatly overestimate the capabilities of german war machine and they seem to be capable of all kinds of acheving extraordinary, insurmountable, diabolical tasks in addition to the usual horrors of the nazi regime in the OTL.

In relation to the Soviet conquests killing that amount of people would takes years maybe a decade but then you got to burn up to 250 million bodies which requires ‘burning factories’.

In relation to France I know Himmler wanted to create SS Burgundy so there a good chunk of population removal: (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_State_of_Burgundy

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It is well known that the Nazi’s destroyed a lot of documents relating to everything: weapons, final solution, administrative dialogue between departments etc. So who knows what else they ‘wrote down’ for ideas.
 
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