That's why I wanted to find a good POD that will give Japan a reason explore the seas instead of being a semi-isolated country.
Is the premise really that impossible? I was hoping to write a TL about this?![]()
A more successful Mongol invasion is actually one of the PODs I have in mind. The other one is Taira victory in the Genpei War.
I'm interested to discuss what its ramifications would be, because to me that just sounds like another clan.
You may be mistaking 白村江の戦い for some colonial assault on Korea when it was more for Baekje than Yamato Japan. This probably does not fix the issue.The question is, how? Seems the Japanese were severely outclassed by Tang navy. Any way to butterfly away Tang advantage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Japanese_history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baekgang
Hey, I have a similar idea too. I was trying to write a TL about the Taira Shogunate. And since the Taira is a sea-oriented clan, naval expansion isn't far-fetched for Japan. One interesting fact is that the clan's greatest leader, Kiyomori, was once a pirate hunter.
You may be mistaking 白村江の戦い for some colonial assault on Korea when it was more for Baekje than Yamato Japan. This probably does not fix the issue.
That was a terrible joke if meant one. My response was mainly due to many Japanese arguing about the whole 任那日本府 nonsense when on similar topics.Very Korean answer. Temper your paranoid thoughts, or you will discover colonizers just under your bed tonight.![]()
Agreed, although I doubt one battle won means an end to Chinese hegemony in East Asia.snip
I'd still say a successful Mongol invasion could inspire Japan to build a larger fleet earlier.
Definitely, although similar things happened elsewhere and not all were translated to reactions:
- Korea - Invaded by Japan - minimal military reforms
- China - Taiping Rebellion - self-strengthening movement(barely anything, considering the size of the Rebellion)
'We beat the Eastern Devils, why do we need to change?'.
Essentially what happened. The military was heavily stigmatised ever since the 80-year Junta government, and nobody was willing to make any substantial reforms to the army.
Like I say: if Korea had lost, but then managed to win back independence later, I foresee very different attitudes coming along...
Likewise, if the Mongols had won over Japan, they might have gone 'Maybe we need a more viable defence against naval attack than the kami...'