WI: A major right wing terrorist attack leads to a crackdown

Chimera0205

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The standard US right-wing defence to Nazi allegations is to state that the Nazis are leftists- because Nazi= "German National Socialist Worker's Party", which means that the Nazis are just Commies who really hate Jews, Christians and American freedom, and that the Democrat(ic) party are thus closer to being Nazis.

The more Randian elements simply view Nazi-ism as another form of collectivism, and thus an enemy of their individualist viewpoint.
I never said there nazis. Not all racists are nazis.
 
The standard US right-wing defence to Nazi allegations is to state that the Nazis are leftists- because Nazi= "German National Socialist Worker's Party", which means that the Nazis are just Commies who really hate Jews, Christians and American freedom, and that the Democrat(ic) party are thus closer to being Nazis.

The more Randian elements simply view Nazi-ism as another form of collectivism, and thus an enemy of their individualist viewpoint.
Well the Nazis did have elements of socialism in them at first but moved away from it after gaining power to focus on combating anything "Marxist" to them, real or not, to the point of allying with the Junkers and industrials, and purging anyone suspected as such (hence the "Night of the Long Knives"); the right-wing isn't wrong on that aspect, though.

And funny enough some the responses here are under the impression that somehow much of the Republicans would approve of an atrocity perpetrated against their own citizens.
 
And funny enough some the responses here are under the impression that somehow much of the Republicans would approve of an atrocity perpetrated against their own citizens.

Well, I think most of the Republican dissent would be about who exactly was responsible for the crime(ie. the dissidents would say it was liberals trying to make right-wingers look bad), not saying the crimes were a good thing.

Though post-9/11, you did have a few conservatives saying stuff like this.

Mind you, that wasn't expressing approval of the terrorists per se, but rather approval of God for supposedly allowing the terrorists to carry out their actions.
 
Would 41% seem like a more reasonable number?

And 15% of Democrats according to that poll. And it's a different sort of conspiracy theory than a more complex one involving a party which isn't even in power trying to distract people from Muslim terrorism. That's a theory which you can't buy into out of pure ignorance but instead need to actively research and seek out fellow crazies. It sounds like it would be a fringe even among truthers of this event, like some of the crazier 9/11 theories out there. People buy into different conspiracies for different reasons psychologically.

Well, I think most of the Republican dissent would be about who exactly was responsible for the crime(ie. the dissidents would say it was liberals trying to make right-wingers look bad), not saying the crimes were a good thing.

Why would Republicans associate themselves with neo-Nazis? Remember, most conservatives think Nazis are left-wing and not much different than communists and associate the KKK with the Democrats (and Senator Byrd is still alive as "evidence" for this theory). The only people who associate neo-Nazis and conservatives together are actual neo-Nazis trying to look respectable by calling themselves conservatives (David Duke types) and certain people on the left, which while not entirely wrong, is like associating American liberals with Stalin, Mao, and far-left terrorists like the Weathermen.

OTL had the OKC bombings, neo-Nazi bank robbers, Olympics bombing, and abortion clinic attacks all done by far-right groups, and such theories as to what "really" happened generally stayed out of the mainstream of conservative ideology.

Though post-9/11, you did have a few conservatives saying stuff like this.

Oh, that would be a thing too obviously.
 
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Kaze

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None of this dissaudes the FBI from investigating right-wing terror groups, though Republican leaders try to spin the bombers as lone-wolves, not connected with the wider conservative movement.

Which they did so with the Oklahoma City bombing. There is some "evidence" that it was not a lone wolf, and that the bomber was connected to the white power movements, some conspiracy theories go that the bombing was ORDERED by the Far Right with the hopes it would start their race war and fulfill the profanities printed in the Turner Diaries.
 

Chimera0205

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Which they did so with the Oklahoma City bombing. There is some "evidence" that it was not a lone wolf, and that the bomber was connected to the white power movements, some conspiracy theories go that the bombing was ORDERED by the Far Right with the hopes it would start their race war and fulfill the profanities printed in the Turner Diaries.
But in this attack was clearly done by a group of at least a couple dozen co conspirters including both perpetrators and accomplices. So lone wolf arguments die from the word go.
 

Kaze

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But in this attack was clearly done by a group of at least a couple dozen co conspirters including both perpetrators and accomplices. So lone wolf arguments die from the word go.

I do agree, but who is sitting in jail? The whole organization should have been put into prison, but less than a handful was tried and convicted.
 

kernals12

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Didn't this happen with the Oklahoma City bombing? The Clinton Administration cracked down hard on the militia movement afterward.
 
But in this attack was clearly done by a group of at least a couple dozen co conspirters including both perpetrators and accomplices. So lone wolf arguments die from the word go.

Ironically that would make them easier to foil, since you don't get a group of dozens of American citizens holding extremist views without the government taking notice. Especially if they're buying bomb material.

Odds are these people would have some contact with other white supremacist groups too which were already being monitored.

Post-OKC and post-9/11, it would've been almost impossible for a large group to carry out a plot like this (easier for a small group or lone wolf though). Odds are someone at the FBI is losing their job over this.
 
This was the height of the terrorist panic and the federal authoritys have no choice but to crack down on right wing extremism. Suddendly the parts of FBI and homeland security taked with dealing with right wing extremism are flooded with funds, personnel and uneneding public support.
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This is Unrealistic. 1) There will be many who blame Islamic groups for this, just 2 years after 911 2) There are difference between "scary foreign enemy" and homegrown group with minor popularity. 3) Government already busy with Afghanistan and Iraq, opening third front is distraction.

No, this will be Oklahoma-redux. Perpetrator will be jailed, there will be increasing surveillance on group that connected with Perpetrator. But there will be no crackdown or public support to destroy right-wing extremism. In fact, advocating such would be regarded as distraction against "war on terror".
 
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