WI: A Loss at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend

The Battle of Horseshoe Bend (March 1814) was the final major battle in the Creek War, in which Andrew Jackson and his Native American allies achieved a key victory over the Red Sticks, forcing the Red Sticks to cede large parts of Alabama where they lived. However, had Andrew Jackson lost, the Creek War might very well have continued for some time longer.

How long does the war continue? How big an impact does this have for Andrew Jackson, and for the rest of the USA?

Lastly, keeping in mind that the Creek War occured during the War of 1812, what kind of effect might this have upon the Battle of New Orleans should it occur as in OTL, or does it occur at all?
 
A win for the red sticks is impossible. In OTL they lost 800 out of their force of 1000 while Jackson lost 50 men. More interestingly, Sam Houston was pierced by an arrow during the battle but survived.
 
How's he going to lose?

Nothing totally overt, perhaps a failure of Coffee to cross the river in time to surround the Red Stick encampment and aide Jacksons forces, combined with poor battle communications leading to disorganized bayonet charge against the Red Stick fortifications.

Repulsed Jackson is forced to fall back a bit, regroup with moderate losses, while Coffee finds himself too late for the party, suffers losses, and ends up also having to retreat to regroup with Jackson.

In reality the defeat would be nothing horrible, as being repulsed from charging fortifications due to bad timing or miscommunications is nothing new. Neither would losses be that terrible. However, it would likely be enough to prolong the Creek War, the only questions are For how long? AND How does this affect the future?

A win for the red sticks is impossible. In OTL they lost 800 out of their force of 1000 while Jackson lost 50 men. More interestingly, Sam Houston was pierced by an arrow during the battle but survived.
Is a draw possible, with Jackson failing to capture the fortifications?
 
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With jackson in charge, it probably cant fail. With some other general, who didnt respect indians and didnt move as fast, ie all the rest of them, it might have. Otoh, the decisive battle might very well be in a different place...
 
if Junaluska had any premonitions about Jackson's backstabbing, he could have turned on Jackson.

Junaluska, allied Cherokee leader, has actually been said to have saved Jackson's life during the battle of Horseshoe Bend. Junaluska doesn't have to turn on Jackson... What if he just lets Jackson die?

With jackson in charge, it probably cant fail. With some other general, who didnt respect indians and didnt move as fast, ie all the rest of them, it might have. Otoh, the decisive battle might very well be in a different place...

What if Jackson had died in the battle? Or even more extreme yet, What if the Cherokee under Junaluska had turned against Jackson's forces?
 
Junaluska, allied Cherokee leader, has actually been said to have saved Jackson's life during the battle of Horseshoe Bend. Junaluska doesn't have to turn on Jackson... What if he just lets Jackson die?



What if Jackson had died in the battle? Or even more extreme yet, What if the Cherokee under Junaluska had turned against Jackson's forces?

By the time the fighting starts, the redsticks have lost id say. Losing jackson at that point probably makes the casualties go up on both sides.

As for the cherokees switching sides suddenly in the middle of the battle, why?

If they didnt want the whites to win, theyd not be there.
 
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