WI A france unwilling to fight in 1939

If France didn't have the will to declare war on Germany in 1939 after they invaded Poland how would this have changed the war with GB?

When would Hitler likely invade France if they had decided to back off from going to war over Poland?

Would Germany do better or worse in a 1 VS 1 war in 1939 with the British?

Edit: France doesn't have the will to declare war on Germany because the public greatly opposes going to war due to a worse world war 1 and feeling like the Brits will take care of the German's quickly.

Edit2: The USA doesn't enter world war 1 in 1917 due to the fact the U-boat misses the cruise ship and withdraws. In 1918 the Germans are able to mount a highly effective offensive due to the lack of fresh troops on the allies side and had managed to build a few more tanks of there own to counter the Brits. In early 1919 the front line is only 25 miles away from Paris at it's closest point. The US joins the allies in July of 1919 due to the U-boats sinking US cargo ships going into the UK. France loses slightly more ground taking heavy losses before the fresh US troop's land to begin pushing back the German's. But in the end the allies win by October 1920 and the Germans sign for peace like in OTL.
 
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Changes a lot.... for example the French army was considered to be very good by many in 1939 ,not having them as allies may cause the UK to try for another Czechoslovakia and continue re arming.

The question to be asked though is why?

This event presumably did not occur out of the blue so what political, economic and social events occurred to make this happen.

French politics were mercurial and there are a few possible points of divergence.

So explain what the POD is and move from there?

Regards

Hugh
 
Why would GB declare war without French support?

The March 31, 1939 guarantee of Polish independence was agreed by both nations if France backs out so can GB and it will quietly laying the blame on Fr.
 

CaliGuy

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If France didn't have the will to declare war on Germany in 1939 after they invaded Poland how would this have changed the war with GB?

When would Hitler likely invade France if they had decided to back off from going to war over Poland?

Would Germany do better or worse in a 1 VS 1 war in 1939 with the British?
Why exactly would France make a guarantee to Poland (its ally ever since 1921) only to stab Poland in the back several months later, though?
 
If France were to make clear to Britain they were not prepared to go to war with Germany prior to Britain's declaration of war then Britain wouldn't issue the ultimatum that Germany leave Poland. Instead there would be an offer of mediation to find a negotiated settlement. When the Poles then told the British and French to **** off they'd be on their own. Britain and France would also have lost all credibility with the rest of the world as their guaranties were worthless.
 
France has no reason to believe they would lose to Germany, it would take a lot for them not to support their ally Poland. We know that France was defeated, but no one could have or would have predicted that in 1939, not even the German military.
 
I think this would leave Britain - assuming they were still up for opposing Germany - to align with Russia (who had for their own aims tried to do the same with Britain and France - before, having been effectively rebuffed, turning to Germany)

But again I would have to know more about the reasons why France (who was as far as everyone was concerned at the time - the big dog in Europe) was not playing
 
I think this would leave Britain - assuming they were still up for opposing Germany - to align with Russia (who had for their own aims tried to do the same with Britain and France - before, having been effectively rebuffed, turning to Germany)

But again I would have to know more about the reasons why France (who was as far as everyone was concerned at the time - the big dog in Europe) was not playing

Mostly because of a less willing public due to more suffering in world war 1 and because Germany is viewed by the public as a lesser threat that the Brits can take down quickly on there own.
 
Mostly because of a less willing public due to more suffering in world war 1 and because Germany is viewed by the public as a lesser threat that the Brits can take down quickly on there own.
So your pod is a longer more destructive WW1 which weakens France and Germany to a greater extent?.

This might work though a weaker Germany is much more unstable post war as is France.

I would like to see this continue
 
So your pod is a longer more destructive WW1 which weakens France and Germany to a greater extent?.

This might work though a weaker Germany is much more unstable post war as is France.

I would like to see this continue

France is weakened from the US not coming until two years later and the German's suffer more leading them to be more loyal to the Nazi's when fighting the UK, France and the US. Many believe if only the government had the will to push a lot harder for Paris they would have won.
 
France is weakened from the US not coming until two years later and the German's suffer more leading them to be more loyal to the Nazi's when fighting the UK, France and the US. Many believe if only the government had the will to push a lot harder for Paris they would have won.
So still Brest Litovsk? as well

This sounds interesting I look forward to seeing why the US stayed its hand
 
So still Brest Litovsk? as well

This sounds interesting I look forward to seeing why the US stayed its hand

The Below Quote is why, Thought I would put it in the OP post to give the topic more meat to it.

The USA doesn't enter world war 1 in 1917 due to the fact the U-boat misses the cruise ship and withdraws. In 1918 the Germans are able to mount a highly effective offensive due to the lack of fresh troops on the allies side and had managed to build a few more tanks of there own to counter the Brits. In early 1919 the front line is only 25 miles away from Paris at it's closest point. The US joins the allies in July of 1919 due to the U-boats sinking US cargo ships going into the UK. France loses slightly more ground taking heavy losses before the fresh US troop's land to begin pushing back the German's. But in the end the allies win by October 1920 and the Germans sign for peace like in OTL.
 
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But again I would have to know more about the reasons why France (who was as far as everyone was concerned at the time - the big dog in Europe) was not playing
Political unrest, with large scale demonstrations and/or a general strike against any military action following the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact?
 

Perkeo

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But again I would have to know more about the reasons why France (who was as far as everyone was concerned at the time - the big dog in Europe) was not playing

Maybe Hitler takes more care to constue a casus belli.

E.g. he could annex Danzig but not the Polish corridor or other Polish territory, hoping that this plus some saber rattling will provoke a Polish DOW. France can argue that they had committed to defend Poland itself, not their privileges in Danzig.
 
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