What if 9/11/1995 was the day that that 9/11 happened? How would Clinton respond, how would Gingrich response, and what effects would this have on the 1996 election?
In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
Ehhhh, no.In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
At this time AQ is still operating out of Sudan. Unlike the Taliban if something like this happens Omar-al-Bashir would be perfectly willing to give the US Bin Laden's head on a silver platter to save his neck. So Bin Laden probably goes into hiding before this happens, where I don't know
In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
"War on terror" people and "think of the children" people don't overlap as often as one would think. Bob Dole supported the Vietnam War unti the day that Saigon fell, but then ran a "don't think of the children" campaign in 1996.In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
It would be impossible to cut off the internet in 1995 when about 14% of the US population had internet access according to a Pew Research study in October 1995. AOL alone had close to 5 million users.In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.
"War on terror" people and "think of the children" people don't overlap as often as one would think. Bob Dole supported the Vietnam War unti the day that Saigon fell, but then ran a "don't think of the children" campaign in 1996.
You think there's no secret police in the US? How naive. What do you call the FBI?This is...dystopian. Even by AH standards. I suppose every population center has torture centers and secret police too?
The patriot act OTL was a SEVERELY toned down version of democrat proposals for increased security policing from the 1990s. This was OTL's 1990s, with nothing on the scale of 9/11. With an earlier analogue to 9/11? Well it'd probably be significantly worse than even what I said earlier in the thread.
The patriot act OTL was a SEVERELY toned down version of democrat proposals for increased security policing from the 1990s. This was OTL's 1990s, with nothing on the scale of 9/11. With an earlier analogue to 9/11? Well it'd probably be significantly worse than even what I said earlier in the thread.
Declare them to be domestic terrorists of course.
Also, who says the internet would spread around the world in ttl?
Could you post a link to info about these Democrat proposals?The patriot act OTL was a SEVERELY toned down version of democrat proposals for increased security policing from the 1990s. This was OTL's 1990s, with nothing on the scale of 9/11. With an earlier analogue to 9/11? Well it'd probably be significantly worse than even what I said earlier in the thread.
Really? So the alt-US government in 1995 is going to brand people who are primarily checking e-mail and looking at poor quality porn on the interweb as domestic terrorists? This isn't an ASB scenario where there is magic controlling the thoughts of the US populace. You seriously think that the Clinton administration is going to propose this?Declare them to be domestic terrorists of course.
Also, who says the internet would spread around the world in ttl?
The patriot act OTL was a SEVERELY toned down version of democrat proposals for increased security policing from the 1990s. This was OTL's 1990s, with nothing on the scale of 9/11. With an earlier analogue to 9/11? Well it'd probably be significantly worse than even what I said earlier in the thread.
You think there's no secret police in the US? How naive. What do you call the FBI?
In terms of surveillance the US would look like OTL's PRC, minus the internet bits because no civilians allowed to use the internet. No civilian internet use, having to be 25 *and* need both a license/specific economic or job-related reasons to own a personal computer and Tipper Gore/Hillary Clinton allowed to do stuff that makes fahrenheit 451's world seem like a world of free speech -- no videogames period for starter.