WI: 4th Abrahamic religion?

Well that is a rather spectacular troll.

See ya' in 7.

Kicked for a week.

I kinda disagree with his analysis, but TBH, are you sure he really was trolling? Hope you don't mind me asking that(please don't kick me too, I really was only asking a question, not trying to provoke any fights. :( ).
 
I kinda disagree with his analysis, but TBH, are you sure he really was trolling? Hope you don't mind me asking that(please don't kick me too, I really was only asking a question, not trying to provoke any fights. :( ).

My two cents:

"(The Christian) God is a rapist and adulterer." is the kind of language one would use to provoke a fight, or at least to insult other members.

That's just not appropriate. Doesn't add anything to the discussion either.
 

BlondieBC

Banned
Well yes, that's what I mean. What I'm wondering is if there's any other places besides Arabia and the circumstances of Christianity that an Abrahamic religion could arise, and specifically what kind of religion that would be.

Do you count the Mormons as an Abrahamic religion? They, like Islam, have an additional prophesy well after the 1st century AD. Islam has Jesus as a prophet, but Mohammed as the final profit. Mormons have Joseph Smith as a prophet in the 1800's. Both Islam and Mormons bring old testament practices back not widely practice in their contemporary Christian peers. For example, Islam has dietary laws that were dropped from Christianity. Mormons bring back the concept of the temple and tabernacle, and have a large brass baptismal basin set on the backs of bulls.

I would say the Mormons are different enough to be classified as the 4th Abrahamic religion. A new Abrahamic religion could arise almost anywhere that has exposure to the Abrahamic traditions and exposure to ideas from other traditions.
 

Philip

Donor
I would say the Mormons are different enough to be classified as the 4th Abrahamic religion. A new Abrahamic religion could arise almost anywhere that has exposure to the Abrahamic traditions and exposure to ideas from other traditions.
Per the OP, Mormonism does not count as a 4th Abrahamic
 
Why not an Ethiopian derived religion? They already have a slightly different interpretation of the old testament (the emperors are descended from Solomon and the Ark of the Covenant may or may not be guarded by them). All it would take is a new prophet along the lines of Muhammed. If you would like it to be a large religion, have them proselytize and expand their faith through subsaharan Africa.
 

BlondieBC

Banned
Per the OP, Mormonism does not count as a 4th Abrahamic

It was relevant to the question i was answering, which was circumstances outside of Arabia that a 4th religion could arise. Since one arose in America, the Mormon reply was given. Analyzing where Abrahamic religions arise is more accurate, if we don't arbitrarily throw out some of the data.

Based on Islam and Mormonism, the necessary preconditions for a new Abrahamic religion appear to be quite limited. Sixth Century Arabia and 18th Century America share little in common besides exposure to the Abrahamic faith, a charismatic prophet, and a place for the persecuted new prophet to flee to. Based on these two examples, i would say a 5th Abrahamic religion could have originated almost anywhere in the Old World, from Zimbabwe to China. Some examples of possible places include:

1) Ethiopia, any time frame.
2) China, after arrival of Jesuit missionaries. If the Emperor had like the religion, and adopted the religion, it is probable that there would be a new Chinese profit to make the religion more acceptable to the Chinese.
3) Japan, after arrival of missionaries.
4) India is a fertile ground to form a new religion with so many different influences and culture.

Since the religion could arise almost anywhere, anytime, it is not easy to generalize what the religion would be like. It would certainly include some discarded older traditions that the newer traditions had stopped practicing, and it would include some new material not from any of the earlier traditions. Look at the difference between Mormonism and Islam to see how broad a range of beliefs can flow from a single seed.

There is an old saying: That which occurs once, never occurs again. That which happens twice is destined to happen a third time. There will likely be more Abrahamic religions born in the future.
 
I think Tomb/NomadicSky/whatever he's calling himself now did something like that, except with Tengriism.

I was thinking more of an Egyptian (maybe the Copts become their own religion?) fourth Abrahamic religion; maybe a different idea of the Exodus?

Central Asia I think would be the best and most interesting place for the creation of really any new religious movement, it is fertile grounds considering it has been a stomping ground for not only Islam but also Buddhism, Hinduism, Nestorian Christanity (Need to work on that TL), Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism. Given the tendacy for its people to roam, highly receptive of other religions, and relative ethno geographic isolation.

What he said:

Tomb and NomadicSky are two very different people.

Incidentally Tomb's current screen name is King of Malta.

Not what he said:

King of Malta is Jimbrock.
 

Zioneer

Banned
Why not an Ethiopian derived religion? They already have a slightly different interpretation of the old testament (the emperors are descended from Solomon and the Ark of the Covenant may or may not be guarded by them). All it would take is a new prophet along the lines of Muhammed. If you would like it to be a large religion, have them proselytize and expand their faith through subsaharan Africa.

That's actually what I was thinking of; maybe a series of scriptures based on the Queen of Sheba (or a male descendant) being prophetic? Or a traveling preacher type who (through conversion and force of arms) convinces the Ethopians (and Nubians/Sudanese/Copts even, I suppose) that his line is actually the Solomonic line?

Hmm... I like this, lets develop it further. Maybe this ATL prophet appears in an unstable period of Ethopia (wasn't there few periods of chaos?), and starts uniting the country.

Central Asia I think would be the best and most interesting place for the creation of really any new religious movement, it is fertile grounds considering it has been a stomping ground for not only Islam but also Buddhism, Hinduism, Nestorian Christanity (Need to work on that TL), Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism. Given the tendacy for its people to roam, highly receptive of other religions, and relative ethno geographic isolation.

See, I don't like doing concepts that I KNOW other people have done before, for fear of comparisons (whether through people reading my work and comparing it to others, or myself judging my own work), so though you're right and Central Asia is probably the best idea, I don't want to do something similar to your TL. It's a pet peeve of mine; I'm fine with other people doing that sort of thing (lord knows its almost impossible to avoid accidentally doing a TL idea that nobody else has had), but I try to be as original as I can with my TLs.

And sorry for mistaking you for NomadicSky; though with your Tengriism TL and the name "NomadicSky", I think it's a reasonable mistake to make! :p
 
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Christian / Nordic syncretism in surviving Vinland

If the Vinland colony, consisting of both christian and pagan vikings, survives but is seperated from Europe after the beginning of the little ice age there would probably arise a syncretistic form of christianity, where Odin and JHWH are merged and other deities from the nordic pantheon also receive their proper parts as angels, devils and demons.
 
That's actually what I was thinking of; maybe a series of scriptures based on the Queen of Sheba (or a male descendant) being prophetic? Or a traveling preacher type who (through conversion and force of arms) convinces the Ethopians (and Nubians/Sudanese/Copts even, I suppose) that his line is actually the Solomonic line?

Hmm... I like this, lets develop it further. Maybe this ATL prophet appears in an unstable period of Ethopia (wasn't there few periods of chaos?), and starts uniting the country.



See, I don't like doing concepts that I KNOW other people have done before, for fear of comparisons (whether through people reading my work and comparing it to others, or myself judging my own work), so though you're right and Central Asia is probably the best idea, I don't want to do something similar to your TL. It's a pet peeve of mine; I'm fine with other people doing that sort of thing (lord knows its almost impossible to avoid accidentally doing a TL idea that nobody else has had), but I try to be as original as I can with my TLs.

And sorry for mistaking you for NomadicSky; though with your Tengriism TL and the name "NomadicSky", I think it's a reasonable mistake to make! :p

I like the Ethiopia idea. A problem with it is that we know little about pre-Christian traditions there, though they are not a total dark.
The whole Middle-Nile/East Africa area seems quite a good place for that. Also, Western Sahel can offer possibilities. Just think of Ghana or Mali having some kind of local prophet after the first inroads of Islam in the area, o some early successful Muslim preacher devolping so deviant views that they are recognized as Islamic no longer (tenth-eleventh centuries AD are the best timeframe IMHO).
 
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