The following (butterfly netted) POD is from 1870 onwards within the context of a more competitive showing by the British in the Second Industry Revolution up to the present (plus solvent post-war UK with greater economy and managed decline plus wanked domestic infrastructure scenarios), with inspiration from various OTL Underground / Rail proposals from various sources including London’s Lost Tube Schemes by Antony Badsey-Ellis, Carto Metro London map, the ATL maps at Not Quite Tangible, etc.

The initial change would be the approved but unbuilt tunnel between Euston and Charing Cross stations known initially as the North Western and Charing Cross Railway, later the Euston, St Pancras and Charing Cross Railway and London Central Railway being built. Which would in turn impact the evolution of both the ATL Northern Lines and Metropolitan Lines.

This ATL tunnel between Euston and Charing Cross was in essence akin to the Snow Hill tunnel in London that later became part of Thameslink linking Farringdon and Blackfriars, though following a similar route to the OTL Northern Line’s Charing Cross route minus Warren Street yet including a stop at Euston Square towards Euston as well as another branch towards St Pancras or potentially to the City Widen Lines. It is likely this Euston to Charing Cross tunnel would later form the basis for a second ATL Thameslink / Crossrail route in tandem with the OTL Thameslink route from Farringdon to Blackfriars. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Western_and_Charing_Cross_Railway

For the ATL Northern Line while the station layout at Euston would be different compared to OTL, it would still end up linking with Waterloo from Euston via Russell Square and Holborn by basically running towards Aldwych / Temple onwards in place of the OTL redundant Piccadilly Line’s Aldwych route (that is not approved in this ATL). It would also later be split into two lines.

Meanwhile the ATL Metropolitan Line benefits from potentially evolving into a Crossrail-esque line thanks to part of the North Western & Charing Cross railway tunnel also connecting from Euston Square to King’s Cross St Pancras and thus towards the City Widened Lines to Moorgate. Which later allowed the route to separate from the Circle line at Baker Street via new platforms on to an extended City Widen Lines from Euston, with the route from Moorgate (if not earlier at Farringdon / Barbican) later being extended to Liverpool Street onwards towards a takeover of the alternate Lea Valley Lines – one of which travels to as far as Chelmsford or even Dunmow. - http://www.urban75.org/london/ongar.html

The following ATL original lines would evolve as follows up to the present, post-war lines / routes to follow later.


Northern Line (Bank branch) - A version of the Northern Heights scheme was realized with the initial route to Bushey Heath soon being extended to Watford Junction, along with additional southwards extensions.

• Watford Junction

• Bushey

• Bushey Heath

• Elstree (aka Estree South)

• Brockley Hill

• Edgeware

• Mill Hill

• Mill Hill East

• Finchley Central

• East Finchley

• Highgate

• Archway

• Tufnell Park

• Kentish Town

• South Kentish Town

• Camden Town

• Euston

• King’s Cross St Pancras

• Angel

• City Road

• Old Street

• Moorgate

• Bank

• London Bridge

• Borough

• Elephant & Castle

• Kennington

• Oval

• Stockwell

• Clapham North

• Clapham Common

• Clapham South

• Balham

• Tooting Bec

• Tooting Broadway

• Colliers Wood

• South Wimbledon

• Morden

• Morden South

• North Cheam

• Ewell

• Epsom - http://www.epsomandewellhistoryexplorer.org.uk/UndergroundToEpsom.html

• [sub-branch from Morden to Sutton - inspired by OTL abandoned proposal]

• South Morden

• Sutton Common

• Cheam

• Sutton


Camden Line – Alternate Charing Cross branch of Northern Line from Euston to Waterloo in event North Western & Charing Cross railway tunnel is built, the Kennington to Tulse Hill branch is essentially an alternate Kennington to Peckham Rye plan. The alternate Kennington to Battersea route meanwhile would end up being extended to Earl's Court as a result of filling the void left by the ATL Chelney tube route taking over the former District Line's Wimbledon route from Fulham Broadway as well as the Camden Line in turn taking over the former District route to Earl's Court from West Brompton.

• Edgeware

• Burnt Oak

• Colindale

• Hendon Central

• Brent Cross

• Golders Green

• North End / Bull & Bush

• Hampstead

• Belsize Park (interchanges with Thameslink stop)

• Chalk Farm (interchange with Primrose Hill Overground)

• Camden Town

• Mornington Crescent

• Euston

• Holborn

• Aldwych / Temple

• Waterloo

• Kennington

• (Vauxhall?)

• Nine Elms

• Battersea

• Battersea Square

• Imperial Wharf

• Chelsea – Stamford Bridge

• West Brompton

• Earl’s Court

• (Tulse Hill Branch from Kennington – alternate Kennington to Peckham Rye plan - https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/02/22/extending-the-northern-line-to-peckham-and-streatham/)

• Camberwell (or Camberwell Green)

• East Brixton

• Herne Hill

• Tulse Hill

• [sub-branch fast service from Waterloo to Golders Green onwards - inspired by route 12A of 1946 London Railway plan - http://alondoninheritance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Map-2.jpg]

• Golders Green

• Belsize Park (interchanges with Thameslink stop)

• Primrose Hill (interchanges with Chalk Farm)

• Camden Town

• Euston

• Tottenham Court Road

• Covent Garden

• Waterloo


Metropolitan Line – Essentially evolves into a Crossrail-esque line thanks to part of the North Western & Charing Cross railway tunnel also connecting to King’s Cross St Pancras and thus towards the City Widened Lines to Moorgate. Which later allowed the route to separate from the Circle line at Baker Street via new platforms on to an extended City Widen Lines from Euston, with the route from Moorgate later being extended to Liverpool Street onwards towards a takeover of the alternate Lea Valley Lines – one of which travels to as far as Chelmsford. Additionally the route between Bethnal Green Junction and Stratford would be increased to 6-tracks instead of the current 4-tracks as in OTL.

[Uxbridge Branch]

• Hillingdon

• Ickenham

• Ruislip

• Ruislip Manor

• Eastcote

• Rayners Lane

• West Harrow

• [Watford Loop Branch]

o Cassiobridge

o Watford Vicarage Road

o Watford High Street

o Watford Junction

o Watford Central

o Watford

o Croxley

o Moor Park

o Northwood

o Northwood Hills

o Pinner

o North Harrow

• [Tring branch from Moor Park]

o Chesham (to Tring)

o Chalfont & Latimer

o Chorleywood

o Rickmansworth

o Moor Park

• [Cublington branch from Chalfont & Latimer]

o Amersham (to Cublington via Aylesbury - http://www.leightonlogs.org/Cublingtonmap.jpg)

o Chalfont & Latimer

• Harrow-on-the-Hill

• Northwick Park

• Preston Road

• Wembley Park

• Finchley Road

• Marlborough Place

• Baker Street (separate platforms/tracks from Circle Line via extended City Widened Lines)

• Euston (between Euston Square and Euston with all merged)

• King’s Cross St Pancras (on to City Widen Lines)

• Farringdon

• Barbican

• Moorgate

• Liverpool Street

• Shoreditch High Street

• Bethnal Green Junction (original name for real-life Overground stop)

• Grove Road / Mile End Park

• Fairfield Road (for Old Ford)

• Pudding Mill Lane

• Stratford

• Lea Bridge

• St James Street

• Walthamstow Central

• Wood Street

• Forest Road

• Highams Park

• Chingford Hatch

• Chingford (extension beyond Chingford due to 1878 Epping Forest Act not being passed)

• Loughton

• Debden

• Theydon Bois

• Epping

• North Weald

• Blake Hall

• Ongar

• Willingale Airport

• Chelmsford

• [sub-branch from Willingale Airport to Stansted Airport via Dunmow]

• Willingale Airport (https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1979/1979 - 1789.PDF)

• Dunmow

• Stansted Airport

• [Former sub-branch from Chingford to High Beach to Epping onwards – 1878 Epping Forest Act was not passed. It would later become part of a National Rail route to Norwich from Willingale Airport together with a link to Epping via Brimsdown and Sewardstone. The Willingale Airport to Norwich route being via Dunmow, Thaxed, Haverhill and Bury St Edmunds towards Norwich either via Thetford, Attleborough and Wymondham as well as from Bury St Edmunds to Norwich via Diss – plus any other potential new towns along the route.]

• Chingford

• High Beach

• Epping

• [sub-branch from Bethnal Green Junction to Gordon Hill]

• Bethnal Green Junction

• Cambridge Heath

• London Fields

• Hackney Downs

• Rectory Road

• Stoke Newington

• Stamford Hill

• Seven Sisters

• Bruce Grove

• White Hart Lane

• Silver Street

• Edmonton Green

• Bush Hill Park

• Enfield Town

• Gordon Hill


Central Line – Similar to real-life with OTL Hainault to Woodford route ditched in favor of alternate Hainault to Buckhurst Hill proposal, additionally the pre-war proposed route from West Ruislip to Denham as well as the 1913 proposal to Richmond was approved. However the latter was later paired back to Gunnersbury before being re-routed to Kew Bridge, in addition to the Central Line being paired back from Ongar onwards to Loughton earlier on as the route was being taken over by both the ATL Metropolitan line and National Rail services. Another approved proposal was a post-war route initially to Collier Row (derived from OTL scheme) that was later extended to as far as Noak Hill.

• Loughton

• Buckhurst Hill

• [Hainault Branch]

o Chigwell

o Grange Hill

o Hainault

o Fairlop

o Barkingside

o Newbury Park

o Gants Hill

o Redbridge

o Wanstead

• [Woodford Branch]

o Woodford

o South Woodford

o Snaresbrook

• Leytonstone (has four tracks and two platforms plus Overground interchange)

• Leyton

• Stratford

• Fairfield Road / Bow / Bow Road (?)

• Mile End

• Bethnal Green

• Shoreditch High Street

• Liverpool Street

• Bank

• St Paul’s

• City Thameslink

• Chancery Lane

• Holborn

• Tottenham Court Road

• Oxford Circus

• Marble Arch

• Lancaster Gate

• Queensway

• Notting Hill Gate

• Holland Park

• Shepherd's Bush

• [Kew Bridge branch]

o The Grove (potentially resited later on to Goldhawk Road)

o Paddenswick Road

o Emlyn Road

o Turnham Green

o Heathfield Terrace

o Gunnersbury

o Kew Bridge

• [Denham branch]

o White City

o East Acton

o North Acton (resited, Overground interchange)

o Park Royal

o Hanger Lane

o Perivale

o Greenford

o Northolt

o South Ruislip

o Ruislip Gardens

o West Ruislip

o Denham

• [sub-branch to Noak Hill from Newbury Park]

• Newbury Park

• Marks Gate

• Collier Row

• Harold Hill

• Chase Cross

• Noak Hill (interchange with National Rail and Thameslink stops aka Maplin Airport Express route - See Route 8: http://www.leightonlogs.org/Cublingtonmap.jpg)


Waterloo & City Line – Was initially extended to Liverpool Street and Shoreditch in the 1930s connecting to the former East London Line as well as to Elephant & Castle prior to being cut back to Shoreditch and later Liverpool Street in the early post-war era where the route was extended to Crystal Palace – High Level from Elephant & Castle (partly inspired by both the 1902-1903 City & Crystal Palace Railway scheme as well as the 1949 London Railway Plan's Route K to Crystal Palace - High Level), before fairly recent extensions of the route to Woodford partly inspired by rejected OTL Jubilee line proposals to Ilford and an underground revival of the Fairlop Loop now Hainault route link from Ilford to Newbury Park towards Hainault. It was also expanded to 5-cars, the limitations of which would be compensated by a much more frequent service from Hainault to Crystal Palace - High Level.

• Crystal Palace – High Level

• Upper Sydenham

• Lordship Lane

• Honor Oak

• Rye Common (around East Dulwich Road)

• Peckham Rye

• Peckham High Street

• Burgess Park

• Walworth Road

• Elephant & Castle

• St George’s Circus

• Waterloo

• Blackfriars

• Bank

• Liverpool Street

• Spitalfields

• Shoreditch

• Grove Road / Mile End Park

• Fairfield Road (for Old Ford)

• Stratford

• Forest Gate

• Manor Park / Woodgrange Park

• Ilford

• Newbury Park

• Barkingside

• Fairlop

• Hainault



District Line - Was extended from Ealing Broadway to Greenford, would also feature a deep-level section beginning after Stepney Green and ending before Earl's Court basically seperating it from the Circle Line (inspired by the OTL 1896-1903 deep-level District Railway tube proposals).

• Cranham

• Upminster

• Upminster Bridge

• Hornchurch

• Elm Park

• Dagenham East

• Dagenham Heathway

• Becontree

• Upney

• Barking

• East Ham

• Upton Park

• Plaistow

• West Ham

• Bromley-by-Bow

• Bow Road

• Mile End

• Stepney Green (deep-level section begins after Stepney Green towards Whitechapel onwards instead of from Mile End)

• [Deep-level section]

o Whitechapel

o Aldgate East

o Tower Hill (aka Minories / Tower Gateway - location wise)

o Monument

o Cannon Street

o Mansion House

o Blackfriars

o Temple

o Embankment

o Westminster

o Sloane Square

o South Kensington

o Gloucester Road

• Earl's Court

• West Kensington

• Hammersmith

• Ravenscourt Park

• Stamford Brook

• Turnham Green

• Chiswick Park

• Acton Town

• Ealing Common

• Ealing Broadway

• West Ealing

• Drayton Green

• Castle Bar Park

• South Greenford

• Greenford

• [Stepney Green to High Barnet branch – latter derived from the partially built 1895 London, Walthamstow and Epping Forest Epping Railway aka LW & EFR that was used by the District Line via a deep-level section from Stepney Green to Liverpool Street towards Great Eastern Street via Finsbury Circus]

• Stepney Green (Deep-Level)

• Whitechapel (Deep-Level)

• Aldgate East (Deep-Level)

• Liverpool Street (Deep-Level)

• Finsbury Circus (possibly interchanges with Moorgate)

• Great Eastern Street / Shoreditch High Street Bethnal Green Road

• Pitfield Street (by De Beauvoir Road) / Shoreditch Church

• Kingsland Road

• Drayton Park / Dalston Kingsland (interchanges with Dalston Junction travelling towards Finsbury Park via Newington Green Lanes)

• Finsbury Park

• Stroud Green

• Crouch End

• Highgate

• East Finchley

• Finchley Central

• West Finchley

• Woodside Park

• Totteridge & Whetstone

• High Barnet (possibly to Hadley Wood)


Circle Line – Was initially extended from Hammersmith to Barnes via Castelnau (essentially a realized version of said historical proposal), prior to later being extended from Barnes to Kingston via Kingston Vale (again partly inspired by Cecil Parkinson’s proposed extension of the real-life Hammersmith & City Line southwards from Hammersmith to Barnes and Roehampton).

• Kingston

• Kingston Vale

• Roehampton

• Barnes

• Castelnau

• Hammersmith

• Goldhawk Road

• Shepherd's Bush Market

• Wood Lane

• Latimer Road

• Ladbroke Grove

• Westbourne Park

• Royal Oak

• Paddington

• Edgware Road

• Baker Street

• Great Portland Street

• Euston Square (merged with Euston)

• King's Cross St Pancras

• Mount Pleasant

• Farringdon

• Barbican

• Moorgate (possibly uses extra platforms as additional terminus)

• Liverpool Street

• Aldgate (uses former Metropolitan Line platforms as terminus)

• Tower Hill (aka Minories / Tower Gateway - location wise)

• Mark Lane

• Monument

• Cannon Street

• Mansion House

• Blackfriars

• Temple

• Embankment (or likely reverted to Charing Cross)

• Westminster

• St, James Park

• Victoria

• Sloane Square

• South Kensington

• Gloucester Road

• High St Kensington (uses former District Line platforms as additional terminus with track extended to link back to Circle line prior to Notting Hill Gate)

• Notting Hill Gate

• Bayswater

• Paddington

• Edgware Road



Piccadilly Line

• [Heathrow Terminal 5 from Heathrow Terminal 1,2,3 Branch]

• Heathrow Terminal 5

• [Main Branch]

• Heathrow Terminal 4

• Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3

• Hatton Cross

• Hounslow West

• Hounslow Central

• Hounslow East

• Osterley

• Boston Manor

• Northfields

• South Ealing

• Acton Town

• Turnham Green

• Hammersmith

• Baron’s Court

• Earl’s Court

• Gloucester Road

• South Kensington

• Knightsbridge

• Hyde Park Corner

• Green Park

• Piccadilly Circus

• Leicester Square

• Covent Garden

• Holborn

• Russel Square

• King’s Cross St Pancras

• York Road

• Caledonian Road

• Holloway Road

• Arsenal

• Finsbury Park

• Harringay Green Lanes

• Harringay St Ann’s Road

• Turnpike Lane

• Wood Green

• Bounds Green

• Arnos Grove

• Southgate

• Oakwood

• Cockfosters

• Hadley Wood


Bakerloo - Was extended from Elephent & Castle to Lewisham as well as towards Mill Hill East and Orpington

• Watford Junction

• Watford High Street

• Bushey

• Carpenders Park

• Hatch End

• Headstone Lane

• Harrow & Wealdstone

• Kenton

• South Kenton

• North Wembley

• Wembley Central

• Stonebridge Park

• Harlesden

• Willesden Junction

• Kensal Green

• Queens Park

• Kilburn Park

• Maida Vale

• Warwick Avenue

• Paddington

• Edgware Road

• Marylebone

• Baker Street

• Regents Park

• Oxford Circus

• Piccadilly Circus

• Charing Cross

• Embankment

• Waterloo

• Lambeth North

• Elephant & Castle

• Bricklayers Arms

• Burgess Park

• Old Kent Road

• New Cross Gate

• Lewisham (possibly towards Hither Green)

• [Cricklewood Branch from Maida Vale to Mill Hill East - essentially an alternate version of the rejected 1908 proposal to Cricklewood though diverging at Maida Vale instead of Edgeware Road that was later extended to Mill Hill East]

• Mill Hill East

• Brent Street

• Hendon Central

• Brent Cross Shopping Centre

• Cricklewood

• Minster Road

• Brondesbury

• Kilburn High Road

• Maida Vale

• [Crystal Palace Branch from Elephant & Castle – derived from 1913 proposal]

• Camberwell Green (or Camberwell)

• Denmark Hill

• East Dulwich (aka Champion Hill)

• Dulwich

• Lordship Lane

• Sydenham Hill

• Gipsy Hill (West Hill?)

• Crystal Palace (towards East Croydon via Norwood Junction and Selhurst)

• [sub-branch from Lordship Lane to Orpington – derived from 1922 proposal to Orpington via Loughborough and Catford]

• Lordship Lane

• Forest Hill

• Catford (interchanges with Catford Bridge)

• Grove Park

• Sundridge Park

• Bickley

• Orpington


Hammersmith & City Line - otherwise unrelated to the real-life Metropolitan Line-derived route from Hammersmith to Barking, which was discontinued in favor of a separated Circle line and a deep-level segment of the District line route from Aldgate East to High Barnet via Liverpool Street & Old Street. The line’s roots stem from the proposed 1905 Great Northern, Piccadilly and Brompton Railway from Aldgate to Acton Vale or Hammersmith which despite originally being conceived as a spoiler scheme ended up becoming its own line, merged with the partially built 1902 East London, City & Peckham Railway from Aldgate to Liddon Road. It would later be followed by extensions to Cowley – inspired by Route D to Yeading Lane from Acton Vale in 1949 London Railways Plan, a takeover of the District line’s Uxbridge branch from Hammersmith as well as an extension from Liddon Road to Cranham.

• Uxbridge

• Hillingdon

• Ickenham

• Ruislip

• Ruislip Manor

• Eastcote

• Rayners Lane

• South Harrow

• Sudbury Hill

• Sudbury Town

• Alperton

• Park Royal

• North Ealing

• Ealing Common

• Acton Town

• South Acton

• Rugby Road

• Paddenswick Road

• Hammersmith

• Brook Green

• Kensington (Olympia)

• [Cowley Branch from Acton Vale to Upminister later Cranham - via an underground replacement for the Romford-Upminster Line]

• Cowley

• Yeading Lane

• Southall Broadway

• Hanwell Broadway

• West Ealing

• Ealing Broadway

• Ealing Common

• Acton Central (Overground stop relocated to The Vale)

• Acton Vale

• Shepherd’s Bush

• Kensington (Olympia)

• High Street Kensington

• Albert Hall

• Knightsbridge

• Hyde Park Corner

• Green Park

• Piccadilly Circus

• Charing Cross

• Aldwych

• City Thameslink (formerly Ludgate Circus)

• Queen Victoria Street

• Bank

• Aldgate

• Commercial Road (interchange with ELL)

• Limehouse

• West India Dock Road (aka Burdett Road South)

• All Saints

• Brunswick Road

• Abbott Road

• Canning Town

• Morgan Street

• Liddon Road

• Upton Park

• East Ham

• Ilford (via underground East Ham Loop)

• Alderborough Road

• Little Heath

• Marks Gate

• Mawney Road

• Romford

• Hornchurch Town Centre (or Emerson Park)

• Upminster

• Cranham

• [optional sub-branch from East Ham to Lakeside]

• East Ham

• Barking

• Dagenham Dock

• Beam Park

• Rainham

• Aveley

• Lakeside


Walton Line
– Originally a takeover of the City & Brixton Railway (Brixton – King William Street) by the City & North East Suburban Electric Railway (Monument – Waltham Abbey: the only Morgan Tube to be built) which allowed for a connection at Monument, replacing the former’s old terminus at King William Street.

• East Croydon

• West Croydon

• Thornton Road / Thornton Heath

• Norbury

• Streatham

• Streatham Hill

• Brixton Hill

• Brixton

• Lorn Road

• Oval

• Kennington Cross

• Lambeth Road

• Elephant & Castle

• St George’s Circus

• London Bridge

• Monument

• Fenchurch Street (new relocated stop on Fenchurch Street Road)

• Aldgate (interchange with Aldgate East)

• Whitechapel

• Bethnal Green

• Cambridge Heath

• Victoria Park Road

• Hackney Wick

• Eton Manor (formerly Temple Mills)

• Leyton Orient / Brisbane Road

• Leyton Midland Road

• Hoe Street (aka Lea Bridge Road)

• Walthamstow Central

• Forest Road

• Higham Hill

• Chingford Mount (aka Chingford Hall)

• Chingford Green

• Gillwell Park

• Royal Oak

• Sewardstone (or High Beach)

• Waltham Abbey

• Cheshunt

• [sub-branch from Cambridge Heath to Elstree & Borehamwood]

• Cambridge Heath

• Mare Street

• Hackney Central

• Cazenove Road (interchanges with Stoke Newington)

• Amhurst Park (likely renamed Stamford Hill Broadway)

• South Tottenham (Overground station resited west and merged with southward resited Seven Sisters – allowing for interchange akin to real-life Seven Sisters Overground / Victoria stations)

• Seven Sisters Road

• Broadwater (Lordship Lane)

• White Hart Lane West

• Chequers Green

• Palmers Green

• Southgate

• Oakleigh Park

• High Barnet

• Elstree & Borehamwood
 
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Any chance of a tube map? Perhaps even a comparison overlay on OTL tubemap?

Unfortunately no ATL map am afraid, did search around though there seems to be very few doing tube map commissions while those that did do so a while back were roughly quoting three figures. Otherwise still open to the idea (especially if interested artists have previously worked on tube maps), since map making is beyond my talent.
 
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Thanks The Professor


The following are the post-war tube / rail tubes (drawing inspiration from the 1946 plus here, 1949 and other rail plans) with some having roots extending to the pre-war and even pre-1900 eras. This ATL post-war period for a solvent UK with better post-war economy would amongst other changes be marked by a more lenient Metropolitan Green Belt as well as expanded rail, road (e.g. Ringways, etc) and other domestic infrastructure projects (e.g. UK Messmer plan, Unbuilt London/UK, etc), etc, on top of further building upon the previous work in the pre-war era.

To follow are the ATL Overground, Thameslinks and High Speed rail routes.

DLR - This ATL DLR evolved within the context of both other rail proposals getting approved and built as well as being able to take advantage of the ATL partially built failures of earlier tube proposals.

• Tower Hill (aka Minories / Tower Gateway)

• St Katharine Docks

• Wapping

• Limehouse

• Westferry (links to West India Quay)

• Poplar

• Blackwall

• East India

• Canning Town

• Thames Wharf

• West Silvertown

• Pontoon Dock

• Connaught Road/Silvertown interchange

• London City Airport

• King George V

• Woolwich Arsenal

• [Pontoon Dock to Belvedere branch - inspired by the proposed Thamesmead extensions of the DLR: both here and here]

• Pontoon Dock

• Connaught Road/Silvertown interchange

• Dockside Road

• Royal Albert

• Beckton Park

• Cyprus

• Gallions Reach

• Thamesmead West

• Thamesmead Central (possibly to Dagenham Dock via Barking Riverside and Goresbrook)

• Thamesmead Moorings

• Yarnton Way

• Belvedere (towards Rainham or Beam Park onwards via Belvedere Crossing)

• [Stratford to Vauxhall branch – loosely derived from real-life Stratford to Lewisham route, it instead uses parts of the partially built 1902 Victoria, Kennington and Greenwich Railway from Queen’s Road – Peckham to Oval as well as the 1902 West & South London Junction Railway from Oval to Vauxhall]

• Stratford (via resited platforms possibly built with scope for future extension to Stratford International akin to the DLR viaducts around Canary Wharf / Docklands area – basically an inverted version of the existing Stratford to Stratford International DLR route)

• Pudding Mill Lane

• Bow Road (onto new viaduct to Pudding Mill Lane)

• Burdett Road

• Westferry (to Limehouse Curve onto new parallel tracks along most of Bow Curve)

• West India Quay (links to Westferry as well as to Poplar)

• Canary Wharf

• Heron Quays

• Millwall (aka Tiller Road)

• Mudchute

• Chapel House

• Cutty Sark

• Greenwich

• New Cross

• New Cross Gate

• Queen’s Road (Peckham)

• Peckham High Street

• Bushey Hill Road

• Camberwell

• Oval

• Vauxhall

• [optional sub-branch from Poplar to Pudding Mill Lane via new viaduct above Overground route onto DLR route at Bow Road towards Stratford]

• Pudding Mill Lane

• Bow Road

• Devons Road

• Langdon Park (for Chrisp Street Market)

• All Saints

• Poplar

• [optional sub-branch from Vauxhall to Brent Cross – inspired/derived from both the historical Edgeware Road Tube Schemes as well as the North and West London Light Railway aka Brent Cross Railway]

• Vauxhall

• Pimlico (?)

• Victoria

• Hyde Park Corner

• Marble Arch

• Edgeware Road

• Maida Vale

• Kilburn High Road

• Brondesbury

• Minster Road

• Cricklewood

• Brent Cross Thameslink

• Brent Cross Shopping Centre

• Brent Cross South

• Brent Cross (possibly with scope for an additional link between Cricklewood and Lothbury via Mill Lane, West Hampstead, Finchley Road, Primrose Hill / Chalk Farm, Euston, Holborn / Chancery Lane and City Thameslink / St Paul’s or between Cricklewood and Stratford International via Mill Lane, West Hampstead, Finchley Road, Primrose Hill / Chalk Farm, Euston, St Pancras, Essex Road, Dalston, Hackney Central and Hackney Wick.)

• [optional sub-branch from Vauxhall to Ealing Broadway - inspiration comes from both the North and West London Light Railway as well as the prospect of an ATL DLR takeover of the OTL Central Line's Ealing Broadway branch from Vauxhall]

• Vauxhall

• Pimlico

• Chelsea – King’s Road

• Earl’s Court

• Kensington (Olympia)

• Shepard’s Bush

• North Acton (resited, Overground interchange)

• Park Royal Court

• Park Royal

• Alliance Road

• West Acton

• Hanger Lane South

• Ealing Broadway

• [optional sub-branch from Ealing Broadway to Brent Cross]

• Ealing Broadway

• Hanger Lane South

• West Acton

• Alliance Road

• Park Royal

• Park Royal Court

• North Acton (resited, Overground interchange)

• Harlesden

• Graven Park

• Taylors Lane

• Neasden

• Dudding Hill

• Gladstone Park

• Edgware Road Brent

• Brent Cross Thameslink

• Brent Cross Shopping Centre

• Brent Cross South

• Brent Cross


Jubilee Line - Similar to real-life though would be extended to Elstree & Borehamwood (inspired by real-life petition: https://www.borehamwoodtimes.co.uk/...ey-heath-in-response-to-awful-train-services/), as well as travel further northwards from Stratford up to ATL re-sited Seven Sisters (that was merged with South Tottenham after WW2) before terminating at Alexandra Park via an underground analogue of the Palace Gates Lines meets OTL Crossrail 2's Seven Sisters to Alexandra Park (aka real-life Alexandra Palace / Wood Green) route. It would also take over the former Metropolitan Line's Swiss Cottage to Hampstead onwards route towards Alexandra Park route (aka real-life Alexandra Palace / Wood Green). The route north of Stratford draws inspiration from the OTL 1988 Olympia & York Bakerloo Line extension proposal from Waterloo to Tottenham Hale via London Bridge and Stratford (see page 35 in following PDF) as well as the 1989 Waterloo & Greenwich Railway proposal that followed a similar route. It is also possible there is scope for a further extension from either Seven Sisters or Tottenham Hale to Edmonton Green akin to the OTL Victoria Line extension proposal.

• Elstree & Borehamwood

• Elstree (aka Elstree South interchange with Northern Line)

• Stanmore

• Canons Park

• Queensbury

• Kingsbury

• Wembley Park

• Neasden

• Dollis Hill

• Willesden Green

• Kilburn

• West Hampstead (the 3 West Hampstead stations are combined into one complex)

• Finchley Road

• Swiss Cottage

• St. Johns Wood

• Baker Street

• Great Portland Street (?)

• Oxford Circus

• Green Park

• Westminster (or via Embankment / alternate Charing Cross)

• Waterloo

• Southwark

• London Bridge

• Tower Bridge Road

• Bermondsey

• Canada Water

• Canary Wharf

• North Greenwich

• Canning Town

• West Ham

• Stratford

• Stratford International

• Eton Manor (formerly Temple Mills)

• Lea Bridge

• Seven Sisters

• West Green

• Turnpike Lane

• Alexandra Park (aka real-life Alexandra Palace / Wood Green)

• [branch from Swiss Cottage to Alexandra Park aka real-life Alexandra Palace / Wood Green – inspired by the following OTL Swiss Cottage to Hampstead route towards Alexandra Palace proposal: https://www.hydeparknow.uk/2018/04/13/150-years-swiss-cottage-line/]

• Swiss Cottage

• Hampstead (interchange with Charing Cross Line)

• Highgate (interchange with Northern Line and District Line)

• Cranley Gardens

• Muswell Hill

• Alexandra Palace

• Alexandra Park (aka real-life Alexandra Palace / Wood Green)



Victoria Line – Essentially a merger of the OTL Chelney tube proposal and OTL Victoria Lines, along with the rough ATL tube equivalent of the OTL Overground extension to Thamesmead. It would take over the Wimbledon route as on the Chelney (and apparently even the early Victoria line from Victoria) proposals up to the early OTL Victoria line proposed terminus at South Woodford, which in this scenario would have scope for further expansion.

· Wimbledon

· Southfields

· East Putney

· Putney Bridge

· Parsons Green

· Fulham Broadway

· King’s Road Chelsea

· Sloane Square

· Victoria

· Green Park

· Oxford Circus

· Warren Street

· Euston

· King’s Cross St Pancras

· Islington / Barnsbury (between King’s Cross St Pancras and Highbury & Islington)

· Highbury & Islington

· Finsbury Park

· Manor House

· Seven Sisters (or less likely Seven Sisters Road)

· Tottenham Hale

· Blackhorse Road

· Walthamstow Central

· Wood Street

· South Woodford

· Clayhall

· Gants Hill

· Ilford

· Barking

· Creekmouth

· Thamesmead Central

· Abbey Wood

· [Herne Hill to Victoria branch]

· Herne Hill (loops back towards Brixton)

· Brixton

· Stockwell

· Vauxhall

· Pimlico

· Victoria



Golders Line – Largely carries over from 1946 map: (https://notquitetangible.blogspot.com/2018/09/alternate-universe-tube-map.html).

• Finchley Central

• Golders Green

• Finchley Road

• Baker Street

• Marble Arch

• Knightsbridge

• Sloane Square

• Chelsea Embankment

• Clapham Junction



Bankbone Line – derived from 1946 Map up to Holborn though with elements of the 1949 London Railways plan Route G from Bank eastwards, it is likely the groundwork for this ATL Bankbone is laid in early post-WW1 plans for the London, Tilbury & Southend Railway to be buried underground from Limehouse towards a new station at ATL Tower Hill (aka Minories / Tower Gateway - location wise) in place of OTL Fenchurch Street in order to provide a direct interchange with the Circle and District Lines. It also links the ATL Airports at both Cublington and Maplin. https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/08/23/unbuilt-london-stepneys-massive-clock-tower/

• Aylesbury (to Cublington)

• Little Kimble

• Monks Risborough

• Princes Risborough

• Saunderton

• High Wycombe

• Beaconsfield

• Seer Green & Jordans

• Gerrards Cross

• Denham Golf Club

• Denham

• West Ruislip

• Ruislip Gardens

• South Ruislip

• Northolt Park

• Sudbury Hill Harrow

• Sudbury Harrow Road

• Wembley Stadium

• Marylebone

• Bond Street

• Tottenham Court Road

• Holborn

• City Thameslink / St Paul’s

• Bank / Lothbury

• Fenchurch Street (resited station)

• Tower Hill (aka Minories / Tower Gateway - location wise)

• Limehouse

• Burdett Road

• West Ham

• Barking

• Dagenham East

• Upminster

• West Horndon (was subsumed by the sprawling town of Tillingham Hall that began south of the station)

• Laidon

• Basildon

• Pitsea (to Maplin Airport)

• [sub-branch from Upminster to Pitsea via Grays]

• Upminster

• Ockendon

• Chafford Hundred

• Grays

• Tilbury Town

• East Tilbury

• Stanford-le-Hope

• [sub-branch from Barking to Grays via Purfleet]

• Barking

• Dagenham Dock

• Beam Park

• Rainham

• Purfleet

• [sub-branch from Limehouse to Dagenham Dock]

• Limehouse

• Poplar

• Custom House

• Beckton

• Armada Way / Armada Riverside

• Creekmouth

• Barking Riverside

• Dagenham Dock

• [sub-branch from Holborn to Barking - Inspired by Crossrail 2's proposed Eastern Phase from Angel to Barking onwards: https://notquitetangible.blogspot.com/2018/12/map-of-thameslink-and-three-crossrails.html]

• Holborn

• Farringdon

• City Road

• Hackney Central

• Hackney Wick

• Stratford International

• East Ham

• Barking

• [Cublington branch from Marylebone]

• Aylesbury (to Cublington)

• Stoke Mandeville

• Wendover

• Great Missenden

• Amersham

• Chalfont & Latimer

• Chorleywood

• Rickmansworth

• Harrow-on-the-Hill

• Marylebone

• [Tring branch from Chalfont & Latimer]

• Tring (to Cublington via Cheddington and Wing)

• Chesham

• Chalfont & Latimer



Crossrail – ATL line ends up adopting an ATL version of the OTL “PADDERLOOPOOL” route linking Liverpool Street-Waterloo-Victoria-Paddington in place of the OTL route from Liverpool Street to Paddington.

• Heathrow Terminal 1, 2, 3 to Heathrow Terminal 4 and Heathrow Terminal 5

• Hayes & Harlington

• Southall

• Hanwell

• West Ealing

• Ealing Broadway

• Acton Main Line

• Old Oak Common

• Portobello Central (Ladbroke Grove)

• Westbourne Park

• Paddington

• Hyde Park Corner

• Victoria

• Millbank / Thames House

• Waterloo

• Lothbury

• Liverpool Street

• Whitechapel

• Bow Church / Bow (?)

• Stratford

• Maryland

• Forest Gate

• Manor Park

• Ilford

• Seven Kings

• Goodmayes

• Chadwell Heath

• Romford

• Gidea Park

• Harold Wood

• Brentwood

• Shenfield (to Chelmsford, Braintree, Dunmow and Stansted Airport)

• [Reading branch from Hayes & Harlington]

• Reading

• Twyford

• Maidenhead

• Taplow

• Burnham

• Slough

• Langley

• Iver

• West Drayton

• Hayes & Harlington

• [Windsor Link Railway from Heathrow Terminal 5 to Slough or Burnham]

• Slough or Burnham

• Chalvey

• Windsor Royal

• Datchet

• Sunnymeads (or Datchet)

• Poyle

• Heathrow Terminal 5

• [sub-branch to Denham from West Drayton]

• Denham

• Uxbridge High Street

• Uxbridge

• Cowley

• West Drayton

• [Gravesend Branch from Whitechapel]

• Whitechapel

• Limehouse

• Canary Wharf

• Custom House

• Silvertown (London City Airport)

• Woolwich

• Abbey Wood

• Belvedere

• Erith

• Slade Green

• Dartford

• Stone Crossing

• Greenhithe for Bluewater

• Swanscombe

• Northfleet

• Gravesend




Crossrail 2 - It is basically a composite of the 1946 Map's Wimbleching line proposal up to Charing Cross, prior to roughly following an 1989 Chelsea-Hackney inspired route from Tottenham Court Road to Dalston via Angel before following a Wimbleching / OTL Crossrail 2 inspired route from Clapton to Broxbourne onwards.

• Broxbourne (to Hertford East and Hertford North)

• Cheshunt

• Waltham Cross

• Enfield Lock

• Brimsdown

• Ponders End

• Angel Road / Meridian Water

• Northumberland Park

• Tottenham Hale

• Clapton

• Hackney Downs / Hackney Central

• Dalston / Dalston Junction

• Essex Road

• Angel

• Mount Pleasant

• Tottenham Court Road

• Charing Cross

• Westminster

• Millbank / Thames House

• Vauxhall

• Clapham Junction

• Wimbledon

• Raynes Park

• Motspur Park

• Worcester Park

• Stoneleigh

• Ewell West

• Epsom

• [sub-branch from Brimsdown to Harlow Town]

• Harlow Town

• Epping

• Sewardstone

• Brimsdown

• [sub-branch to Chessington South from Motspur Park]

• Malden Manor

• Tolworth

• Chessington North

• Chessington South

• [sub-branch to Shepperton from Raynes Park]

• Raynes Park

• New Malden

• Norbiton

• Kingston

• Hampton Wick

• Teddington

• Fullwell

• Hampton (London)

• Kempton Park

• Sunbury

• Upper Halliford

• Shepperton

• [sub-branch to Hampton Court from New Malden]

• New Malden

• Berrylands

• Surbiton

• Thames Ditton

• Hampton Court


Crossrail 3 – derived from Northern City line as well as a more recent unofficial 2016 “Crossrail 3” proposal from Moorgate to Waterloo via Cannon Street. What may help matters is if the Northern City Line at Moorgate was linked up to a partially built 1902-1903 City & Crystal Palace Railway scheme at Cannon Street instead of the originally proposed takeover of the Waterloo & City Line*. Includes 1946 Map Finsmoor line inspired link as well as 1989 Central London Rail Study’s City Crossrail link from Moorgate to Dartford onwards via Fenchurch Street (resited station interchanging with Mark Lane) and Tower Bridge Road.

*There was also another OTL post-war proposal to extend the Northern City Line at Moorgate under the 1949 London Railway Plan's Routes J (to Plumstead) and K (to Crystal Palace) via St Paul's (roughly 20 yards east of St Paul's Underground station, and 25 yards east of St Paul's cathedral roughly towards White Lion Hill and Bear Gardens) and past Borough.

• Hitchin (to Peterborough or Cambridge North)

• Finsbury Park

• Drayton Park

• Highbury & Islington

• Essex Road

• Old Street

• Moorgate

• Lothbury

• Cannon Street

• Waterloo

• Vauxhall

• Queenstown Road

• Clapham Junction (to Heathrow, Reading, Weymouth)

• [Moorgate to Rainham branch – See 1946 map and 1989 Central London Rail Study’s City Crossrail proposals: https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2018/01/01/canals-spies-politics-the-crossrails-that-werent-built/]

• Moorgate

• Fenchurch Street (resited station – possibly interchanges with Mark Lane)

• Tower Bridge Road

• Deptford

• Greenwich

• Maze Hill

• Westcombe Park

• Charlton

• Woolwich Arsenal

• Plumstead

• Abbey Wood

• Slade Green

• Dartford

• Stone Crossing

• Greenhithe for Bluewater

• Swanscombe

• Northfleet

• Gravesend

• Higham

• Strood

• Rocester

• Chatham

• Gillingham

• Rainham
 
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Final part featuring ATL Overground, Thameslinks and High Speed services.

Decided not to include ATL Tramlink partly due to other lines making parts of the proposed OTL extensions redundant or inaccessible. The more lenient Metropolitan Green Belt in this ATL post-war scenario does help matters though makes it too variable to explore further.

Also could not help but notice this ATL scenario leaves both King's Cross and Victoria without any Crossrail like north-south links, unless one includes Thameslink and High Speed services at King's Cross Low Level or Victoria being linked from Paddington to Liverpool Street via Waterloo, etc onwards in the ATL Crossrail.

What with the other ATL rail projects and changes, am otherwise not sure how feasible it would have been to build a North-South Crossrail route between King's Cross St Pancras and Victoria as shown in the the OTL 1989 Central London Rail Study map below let alone whether it is even necessary in this scenario.

In theory the 1980 British Rail Proposal below together with the alternate Crossrail featuring an approved ATL version of the OTL “PADDERLOOPOOL” route linking Liverpool Street-Waterloo-Victoria-Paddington (see pages 37-38), does suggest Crossrail could potentially feature a Victoria branch though the question is where southwards does the branch go without clashing with the ATL Crossrail 2, Thamelinks or any other routes (like the Crossrail route from Paddington to Heathrow, etc). However again would such a route even be necessary in this scenario?

1989 Central London Rail Study
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1980 British Rail Proposal - https://www.londonreconnections.com/2011/what-if-crossrail-1980/
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https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2018/01/01/canals-spies-politics-the-crossrails-that-werent-built/


Overground
-Partly inspired by this map as well as the notion of the ATL Overground being akin to Orbirail in some respects, especially with a number of Overground routes linking with each other via ATL schemes or utilization of OTL rail track.

• [Watford DC Line – uses NLL and Chingford branch to Cheshunt]

• Watford Junction

• Watford High Street

• Bushey

• Carpenders Park

• Hatch End

• Headstone Lane

• Harrow & Whetstone

• Kenton

• South Kenton

• North Wembley

• Wembley Central

• Stonebridge Park

• Harlesden

• Willesden Junction

• Kensal Green

• Queen’s Park

• Kilburn High Road

• South Hampstead

• Primrose Hill (interchanges with Chalk Farm)

• Camden Road

• Maiden Lane

• Caledonian Road Barnsbury

• Highbury & Islington

• Canonbury

• Dalston Kingsland

• Hackney Central

• Homerton

• Hackney Wick

• Stratford (uses existing NLL platform terminus as opposed to previous NLL Stratford stop between Hackney Wick and West Ham that uses current DLR platforms)

• Lea Bridge

• St James Street

• Walthamstow Central

• Wood Street

• Forest Road

• Highams Park

• Chingford Hatch

• Chingford (extension beyond Chingford due to 1878 Epping Forest Act not being passed)

• High Beach

• Waltham Abbey

• Cheshunt

• [Watford DC Line Branch – uses ELL from Highbury & Islington to Surrey Quays onwards to Bromley North, Hayes and Sutton]

• Watford Junction

• Watford High Street

• Bushey

• Carpenders Park

• Hatch End

• Headstone Lane

• Harrow & Whetstone

• Kenton

• South Kenton

• North Wembley

• Wembley Central

• Stonebridge Park

• Harlesden

• Willesden Junction

• Kensal Green

• Queen’s Park

• Kilburn High Road

• South Hampstead

• Primrose Hill (interchanges with Chalk Farm)

• Camden Road

• Maiden Lane

• Caledonian Road Barnsbury

• Highbury & Islington

• Canonbury

• Dalston Junction

• Haggerston

• Hoxton

• Shoreditch Church

• Shoreditch High Street

• Whitechapel

• Commercial Road(?)

• Shadwell (possibly renamed Cable Street)

• Wapping

• Rotherhithe

• Canada Water

• Surrey Quays

• New Cross

• St Johns

• Hither Green

• Grove Park

• Sundridge Park

• Bromley North

• [Watford DC sub-branch from New Cross to Hayes]

• New Cross

• St Johns

• Lewisham

• Ladywell

• Catford Bridge

• Lower Sydenham

• New Beckenham

• Clockhouse

• Elmers End

• Eden Park

• West Wickham

• Hayes

• [Watford DC sub-branch from New Cross to Sutton via Elmers End and Addiscombe - inspired by a planned historical link from Addiscombe to Waddon]

• New Cross

• St Johns

• Lewisham

• Ladywell

• Catford Bridge

• Lower Sydenham

• New Beckenham

• Clockhouse

• Elmers End

• Woodside

• Addiscombe

• Croydon Central / Croydon Town Hall

• Waddon

• Wallington

• Charshalton Beeches

• Sutton

• [Goblin to Stratford NLL towards Richmond/Heathrow/Wandsworth Road via Imperial Wharf/etc]

• Gospel Oak

• Junction Road

• Upper Holloway

• Stroud Green

• Harringay Green Lanes

• Seven Sisters (merged with South Tottenham)

• Blackhorse Road

• Tottenham Hale

• Walthamstow Queen’s Road (or possibly Walthamstow Central)

• Leyton Midland Road

• Leytonstone (situated near Grove Green Road yet interchanges with Central Line)

• Leytonstone High Road

• Cann Hall Road

• Forest Gate

• Woodgrange Park

• Barking

• Renwick Road

• Barking Riverside

• Creekmouth

• Armada Way / Armada Riverside (east of former Beckton station)

• Beckton

• Custom House

• Canning Town

• West Ham

• Stratford (still uses current DLR platforms travelling towards Hackney Wick onwards)

• [Goblin sub-branch to Plumstead from Barking Riverside - inspired by proposed OTL route]

• Barking Riverside

• Thamesmead Central

• Plumstead (possibly towards Woolwich Arsenal)

[Goblin sub-branch to Richmond from Junction Road]

• Junction Road

• Belsize Park

• Finchley Road - O2

• West Hampstead

• Cricklewood

• Dudding Hill

• Harlesden

• Old Oak Common Lane / Victoria Road

• North Acton (relocated)

• Acton Central (Overground stop relocated to The Vale)

• South Acton

• Gunnersbury

• Kew Gardens

• Richmond

• [NLL]

• Stratford (still uses current DLR platforms travelling towards West Ham onwards)

• Hackney Wick

• Homerton

• Hackney Central

• Dalston Kingsland

• Canonbury

• Highbury & Islington

• Caledonian Road & Barnsbury

• Maiden Lane

• Camden Road

• Kentish Town West

• Gospel Oak

• Hampstead Heath

• Finchley Road & Frognal

• West Hampstead

• Brondesbury

• Brondesbury Park

• Kensal Rise

• Willesden Junction (to Richmond via Old Oak Common Lane)

• Old Oak Common - Hythe Road

• Shepherd’s Bush

• Kensington (Olympia)

• West Brompton

• Chelsea – Stamford Bridge

• Imperial Wharf (to Wandsworth Road)

• Clapham Junction (to Richmond)

• [NNL sub-branch from Old Oak Common – Hythe Road to Chelsea – Stamford Bridge]

• Old Oak Common – Hythe Road

• Ladbroke Grove

• Notting Hill Gate

• High Street Kensington

• Earl’s Court

• West Brompton

• Chelsea – Stamford Bridge (towards Wandsworth Road onwards via Imperial Wharf)

• [NLL sub-branch to Victoria from Wandsworth Road or Clapham High Street]

• Wandsworth Road

• Battersea Park

• Victoria

• [NLL sub-branch to Heathrow Terminal 5 from Willesden Junction]

• Old Oak Common Lane

• North Acton

• Acton Central (Overground stop relocated to The Vale)

• South Acton

• Gunnersbury

• Kew Gardens

• Richmond

• St Margarets

• Twickenham

• Whitton

• Feltham

• Bedfont

• Heathrow Terminal 5

• [Windsor loop from South Acton via Brentford Branch Line – NLL & Goblin]

• South Acton

• Kew

• Brentford

• Trumpers Way

• Windmall Lane

• Southall

• Hayes & Harlington

• West Drayton

• Iver

• Langley

• Slough

• Chalvey

• Windsor Royal

• Datchet

• Sunnymeads

• Wraysbury

• Staines

• Ashford

• Feltham

• Hounslow

• Isleworth

• Syon Lane

• Brentford

• [ELL – From Cheshunt via Stratford International to ELL via Dalston Junction]

• East Croydon (to Norwood Junction)

• South Croydon

• Purley Oaks

• Purley

• Reedham

• Coulsdon Town

• Woodmansterne

• Chipstead

• Kingswood

• Tadworth

• Tattenham Corner

• Epsom Downs

• Banstead

• Belmont

• Sutton

• Charshalton Beeches

• Wallington

• Waddon

• West Croydon

• Norwood Junction

• Anerley

• Penge West

• Sydenham

• Forest Hill

• Honor Oak Park

• Brockley

• New Cross Gate

• Surrey Quays

• Canada Water

• Rotherhithe

• Wapping

• Shadwell (possibly renamed Cable Street)

• Commercial Road(?)

• Whitechapel

• Shoreditch High Street

• Shoreditch Church

• Hoxton

• Haggerston

• Dalston Junction

• Hackney Central

• Homerton

• Hackney Wick

• Stratford International

• Lea Bridge

• St James Street

• Walthamstow Central

• Wood Street

• Forest Road

• Highams Park

• Chingford Hatch

• Chingford (extension beyond Chingford due to 1878 Epping Forest Act not being passed)

• High Beach

• Waltham Abbey

• Cheshunt

• [ELL sub-branch from Sydenham to Crystal Palace]

• Sydenham

• Crystal Palace

• [From Cheshunt via Stratford International to ELL via Dalston Junction and SLL to SLL from Richmond to Heathrow Terminal 5]

• Heathrow Terminal 5

• Bedfont

• Feltham

• Whitton

• Twickenham

• St Margarets

• Richmond

• Mortlake

• Barnes

• Putney Wandsworth Town

• Clapham Junction

• Wandsworth Road

• Clapham High Street

• Brixton

• East Brixton

• Loughborough Junction

• Denmark Hill

• Peckham Rye

• Queen’s Road (Peckham}

• Old Kent Road

• New Bermondsey (aka Surrey Canal Road)

• Surrey Quays

• Canada Water

• Rotherhithe

• Wapping

• Shadwell (possibly renamed Cable Street)

• Commercial Road(?)

• Whitechapel

• Shoreditch High Street

• Shoreditch Church

• Hoxton

• Haggerston

• Dalston Junction

• Hackney Central

• Homerton

• Hackney Wick

• Stratford International

• Lea Bridge

• St James Street

• Walthamstow Central

• Wood Street

• Forest Road

• Highams Park

• Chingford Hatch

• Chingford (extension beyond Chingford due to 1878 Epping Forest Act not being passed)

• High Beach

• Waltham Abbey

• Cheshunt

• [Heathrow Terminal 5 loop via Brentford – links to NLL & Goblin via Kew and South Acton as well as ELL and SLL to SLL and NNL via Whitton, Twickenham, St Margarets and Richmond by way of the Brentford branch line]

• Brentford

• Syon Lane

• Isleworth

• Hounslow

• Feltham

• Bedfont

• Heathrow Terminal 5

• Poyle

• Iver

• West Drayton

• Hayes & Harlington

• Southall

• Windmall Lane

• Trumpers Way

• Brentford

• [SLL sub-branch from Peckham Rye to Cutty Sark towards Stratford – utilises part of the Greenwich Park branch line as well as part of the former North London Railway from Old Ford to South Bromley aka Langdon Park, which was diverted to Stratford via Hackney Wick.]

• Nunhead

• Brockley

• Lewisham Road / St Johns

• Elverson Road

• Blackheath Hill

• Cutty Sark / Greenwich Park

• Island Gardens

• Mudchute

• Crossharbour

• Wood Wharf

• All Saints

• Langdon Park (for Chrisp Street Market)

• Devons Road

• Bow / Bow Road

• Old Ford (for Roman Road Market)

• Hackney Wick

• Stratford International

• Eton Manor (formerly Temple Mills)

• Lea Bridge

• Tottenham Hale

• Northumberland Park

• Angel Road / Meridian Water

• Edmonton Green

• Southbury

• Turkey Street

• Theobalds Grove

• Cheshunt

• [Sutton loop sub-branch from Peckham Rye to Streatham as part of the Cheshunt-Stratford International onwards branch]

• Peckham Rye

• East Dulwich

• North Dulwich

• Tulse Hill

• Streatham

• Tooting

• Haydons Road

• Wimbledon

• Wimbledon Chase

• South Merton

• Morden South

• St Helier (London)

• Sutton Common

• West Sutton

• Sutton

• Carshalton

• Hackbridge

• Mitcham Junction

• Mitcham Eastfields

• Streatham

• [Sutton Loop sub-branch from Peckham Rye to West Croydon linking the Cheshunt-Stratford International onwards branch to the ELL]

• Peckham Rye

• East Dulwich

• North Dulwich

• Tulse Hill

• Streatham

• Tooting

• Haydons Road

• Wimbledon

• Wimbledon Chase

• South Merton

• Morden South

• St Helier (London)

• Sutton Common

• West Sutton

• Sutton

• Carshalton Beeches

• Wallington

• Waddon

• West Croydon



Thameslink -

• Elstree & Borehamwood (to Bedford)

• Mill Hill

• Hendon

• Brent Cross West

• Cricklewood

• West Hampstead Thameslink

• Finchley Road - O2

• Belsize Park

• Kentish Town

• King’s Cross Low Level

• Farringdon

• Holborn Viaduct / Ludgate Circus (renamed City Thameslink)

• Blackfriars

• Elephant & Castle

• Walworth Road

• Loughborough Junction

• Herne Hill

• Tulse Hill

• Streatham

• Streatham Common

• Norbury

• Thornton Heath

• Selhurst

• East Croydon

• South Croydon

• Purley

• Coulsdon South

• Merstham

• Redhill (to Gatwick Airport, Brighton and Horsham)

• [Maplin Airport branch from King’s Cross Low Level or from Belsize Park – branch also formed basis of National Rail route linking Midland Main Line from Belsize Park to Great Eastern Main Line at Ingatestone towards Norwich as well as part of a CrossCountry link from Birmingham International / Leicester to Stanstead Airport via Belsize Park prior to diverging onto Tottenham Hale onwards after Seven Sisters using the Coppermill west junction, Tottenham north curve and Tottenham north junction, along with a Willingale Airport Express route from King’s Cross – Low Level to Willingale Airport via Tottenham Hale prior to diverging after Brimsdown beneath Epping Forest]

• Kentish Town (from King’s Cross Low Level) / Belsize Park (from West Hampstead Thameslink)

• Seven Sisters

• South Woodford (or Charlie Brown’s Roundabout) / Claybury Park / Fairlop (?) / Fullwell Cross

• Noak Hill

• Pilgrims Hatch (?) / North Brentwood (?)

• Billericay (to Maplin Airport via Hockley)

• [Alternate Maplin Airport branch from King’s Cross Low Level]

• Kentish Town

• Stroud Green

• Harringay Green Lanes

• Seven Sisters

• Tottenham Hale

• Northumberland Park

• Angel Road / Meridian Water

• Ponders End

• Brimsdown

• Loughton / Debden

• Noak Hill

• Pilgrims Hatch (?) / North Brentwood (?)

• Billericay (to Maplin Airport via Hockley)



Thameslink 2 – Uses North Western & Charing Cross railway tunnel from Euston to Charing Cross up to Tower Bridge Road onwards.

• Watford Junction (to Milton Keynes as well as to Hatfield via St Albans City, Bedford and Cublington via Leighton Buzzard)

• Bushey

• Harrow & Whetstone

• Wembley Central

• Willesden Junction

• Euston

• Goodge Street

• Tottenham Court Road

• Leicester Square

• Charing Cross

• Waterloo East

• Tower Bridge Road

• Norwood Junction

• East Croydon

• South Croydon

• Sanderstead

• Riddlesdown

• Upper Warlingham

• Woldingham

• Oxted

• Hurst Green

• Lingfield

• Dormans

• East Grinstead

• [East Croydon to Horsham]

• East Croydon

• South Croydon

• Purley

• Coulsdon South

• Merstham

• Redhill

• Earlswood

• Salfords

• Horley

• Gatwick Airport

• Three Bridges

• Crawley

• Ifield

• Faygate

• Littlehaven

• Horsham



Thameslink 3 – Essentially approved version of OTL Thameslink 2 proposal (here and here)

• Stanstead Airport (towards Cambridge)

• Cheshunt

• Tottenham Hale

• Stratford

• Canary Wharf

• Lewisham

• Norwood Junction

• East Croydon

• South Croydon

• Purley Oaks

• Purley

• Reedham

• Coulsdon Town

• Woodmansterne

• Chipstead

• Kingswood

• Tadworth

• Tattenham Corner

• Epsom Downs

• Banstead

• Belmont

• Sutton

• Charshalton Beeches

• Wallington

• Waddon

• West Croydon

• Norwood Junction (towards Lewisham)

• [Purley to Caterham]

• Purley

• Kenley

• Whyteleafe

• Whyteleafe South

• Caterham (possibly loops back to Lewisham via Westerham towards Dunston Green)

• [Purley to Reigate]

• Purley

• Coulsdon South

• Merstham

• Redhill

• Reigate




High Speed services – Links much of the UK (sans Northern Ireland, etc) to the Continent akin to a heavily expanded Regional Eurostar with loops that link back towards Old Oak Common to Ashford International via Stratford International or Old Oak Common to via Ashford International via King’s Cross Low Level and Tower Bridge Road as well as from Heathrow Airport to Ashford International via Gatwick Airport. See Page 87 for rough idea of King's Cross Low Level to Tower Bridge Road route (latter is located east of OTL London Bridge). - http://www.omegacentre.bartlett.ucl.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/UK_CTRL_PROFILE.pdf

• Old Oak Common (from Birmingham Interchange, etc - goes straight to Stratford International onwards via ATL HS2-HS1 tunnel link through Camden skipping both Euston and St Pancras International (that is not rejected in ATL). Later extended from Old Oak Common to Birmingham Interchange via Heathrow, plus new routes from Birmingham Interchange towards Manchester Airport through Manchester via Picc-Vic tunnel, Leeds, York, Newcastle towards Edinburgh and Edinburgh through Glasgow via Crossrail Glasgow towards Carlisle, etc.)

• Stratford International

• Ebbsfleet International (to Ashford International, etc)

• [High Speed International branch to Heathrow, Gatwick and Ashford International aka alternate HS4 Air] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HS4Air / https://anonw.com/tag/heathrow-airport/

• Heathrow (towards Gatwick and Ashford International}

• [High Speed International branch from Old Oak Common to Ashford International via King’s Cross Low Level and Tower Bridge Road – basically uses the West Coast Main Line]

• Old Oak Common

• King’s Cross Low Level

• Tower Bridge Road

• Ashford International

• [High Speed International branch from King’s Cross Low Level to Ashford International via Tower Bridge Road – basically uses the East Coast Main Line from Peterborough to Edinburgh through Glasgow via Crossrail Glasgow towards Carlisle, etc as well as the Midland Main Line from St Albans City through Manchester via Picc-Vic tunnel towards Carlisle, etc or through Glasgow via Crossrail Glasgow to Edinburgh or from Manchester to Leeds onto East Coast Mainline to Glasgow via Edinburgh, etc.]

• King’s Cross Low Level

• Tower Bridge Road

• Ashford International
 
Hmm, without looking at my railway maps, you seem to have covered all eventualities - is there any part of London that isn't served by rail in this ATL? As a railway enthusiast I ought to like this, but... There's a lot more urban sprawl in this ATL. Most of Epping Forest looks like it's gone under bricks and mortar. Green belt policies are urgently needed! I should guess that the population of Greater London by 1960 is about 1 million greater than in OTL, perhaps more. And I notice all the proposed new airports seem to have been built, (aagh!) Maplin and Cublington as well as Stanstead (and Gatwick), and what's this 'Willingate Airport'? That being so, would Heathrow be as developed in this ATL, and need so many rail links?
 
Hmm, without looking at my railway maps, you seem to have covered all eventualities - is there any part of London that isn't served by rail in this ATL? As a railway enthusiast I ought to like this, but... There's a lot more urban sprawl in this ATL. Most of Epping Forest looks like it's gone under bricks and mortar. Green belt policies are urgently needed! I should guess that the population of Greater London by 1960 is about 1 million greater than in OTL, perhaps more. And I notice all the proposed new airports seem to have been built, (aagh!) Maplin and Cublington as well as Stanstead (and Gatwick), and what's this 'Willingate Airport'? That being so, would Heathrow be as developed in this ATL, and need so many rail links?

There is still a Metropolitan Belt Green in this scenario, however it is more lenient compared to OTL. There is also the various ATL approved road projects to consider as well (e.g. M12, Ringways, Thames tunnels / bridges, etc) though they are not the main focus in this thread.

It is possible that parts of Epping Forest still survive in this ATL (quite like the idea of cleared parts of the area becoming Walford or Walford Green*), the route from Brimsdown eastwards to Maplin onwards via Noak Hill was planned to go under Epping Forest in OTL.

An argument can be made of there being too many airports in this ATL though would say it is sufficient, it is probably a given Luton Airport is closed. Would say Willingale Airport is favoured over Stansted via the Metropolitan line, etc. Which also helps the Central line become less overcrowded from east London thanks to terminating at Loughton instead of Epping and beyond, together with appropriate London Fare Zone changes, not to mention the ATL Waterloo & City (from Newbury Park to Liverpool Street onwards via Ilford and Stratford) and Victoria lines (from Ilford to South Woodford onwards via Gants Hill), etc further helping to reduce overcrowding (with ATL Thameslink and other routes at Noak Hill helping to relieve congestion from the ATL Central line's Noak Hill branch).

Perhaps Heathrow could serve another purpose for the many rail links as the site of an ATL UK-based Disneyland London in place of Paris? Especially in the absence of any details on the proposed UK sites considered by Disney in OTL, a case could be made for Heathrow due to its proximity to London as well as its rail links.

Think most of London outside of some ATL areas are probably covered by rail, was tempted to go further south for the ATL Victoria from Abbey Wood.

*- The formation of Walford or Walford Green in place of much of Epping Forest could also give birth to the myth of it being doomed as a result of Queen Victoria suffering from food poisoning (or even a bad curry as the ATL myth evolves over time) due to her overindulgent eating habits at the time.
 
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Though there is no link between the Northern City line at Moorgate / Lothbury and the Waterloo & City line at Bank in this scenario, nor any OTL plans for the nearby Bank of England to relocate to another site. It is interesting to note that in different circumstances the ATL Bank of England could have potentially moved to a new site at New Change in St Paul's facing the Cathedral as they did temporarily in OTL when the Department’s entire staff moved into a £6 million development at New Change in 1958.

Had such a thing happened, it would be fascinating seeing the Bank of England and One New Change Shopping Centre basically swap places. Which would have also meant there would have been no Bank of England vault to get in the way of historical rail schemes linking the Waterloo & City Line with the Northern City Line or another line / etc, along with the ATL Bank Shopping Centre potentially being linked with the underground shopping centre at Mansion House Square (via an alternate Mansion House Square project by Mies van der Rohe - ideally with a more attractive building). Thereby creating a situation of ATL two shopping centres being linked by two stations at Bank and Lothbury, possibly even three if one includes the ATL Hammersmith & City line's Queen Victoria Street (located at junction of Queen Street and Watling Street - itself not far from Mansion House). In short both Lothbury and even Queen Victoria Street stations would be interlinked with Bank and Monument stations.
 
Thinking about it further would say one area not covered by tube would be commuters able to travel from Barking to Orpington via a further southward extended ATL Victoria line from Abbey Wood. If possible the ideal is to lay the groundwork for ATL commuters to be able to travel around London without having to go through central London.

Another interesting scenario not mentioned would be an earlier version of the Medway-Canvey Island Thames Crossing, which not only potentially allows for a road link but also for a Crossrail loop between Shenfield in Essex and Ebbsfleet international in Kent on top of a few additional stations (especially in the event Maplin Airport gets built further encouraging development in nearby areas).
 
Regarding concerns about the more lenient ATL Metropolitan Green belt in this scenario which allow for a further expanded Underground, Railway and other various ATL approved road projects as well (e.g. M12, Ringways, Thames tunnels / bridges, etc). Even though they are largely unwarranted IMO it is possible the Greater London area could feature post-war versions of realized unbuilt projects like High Paddington, which appears to be a precursor of today's engineers saying OTL London has the capacity to build 280k more homes above railways.

An ATL London with an expanded Underground / Railway network from 1870 along with wanked domestic infrastructure and lenient Metropolitan Green belt would further increase the number of potential homes that are able to be built above railways from the post-war period up to the present next to any additional new towns and rail stations. Such properties could also be used for example to house the 15-80k Londoners whose homes are in the way of the ATL London Railways project, etc.
 
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Recently discovered an interesting unbuilt pre-1900 proposal by the Great Eastern Railway for an Eastward Curve around Stratford linking Lea Bridge and Maryland stations, which based on some old maps of the area ranging from 1850-1870s+ appears would have roughly entailed a route beginning at the old Stratford Works west of Thornham Grove with the link to Maryland station entailing the demolition of everything west of Well Street and south of Waddington Street or Windmill Lane (if not as far as everything south of Alma Street) in order to create some sort of Eastward Curve.

One of the intriguing things about the above would be its indirect potential to create an Overground / National Rail link between Hackney Wick and Maryland via Stratford International and thus make the latter less of an isolated White Elephant station, beginning just before High Meads Loop near to the DLR terminus at Stratford International. Plus an additional Stratford International station at around Penny Brookes Street on the Eastward Curve, thereby giving Stratford International two stations roughly akin to the two Overground Old Oak Common stations at Old Oak Common Lane and Hythe Road respectively.

Another would be its potential to link the North London Line on the Overground to Gospel Oak to Barking Line Overground at Forest Gate Junction towards Woodgrange Park or even to Ilford and beyond, with the Eastward Curve also providing an additional sub-branch between South Tottenham and Woodgrange Park.

A reopened station at Primrose Hill and a potential takeover of services by the Overground's ATL North London Line of the Watford DC Line is one option, with another being certain National Rail services running between Watford and Romford / Barking onwards via Primrose Hill (onto the North London Line), Stratford International (from before High Meads Loop towards Maryland onwards), etc.

There were also other pre-1900(?) abandoned plans for both a branch to Winchmore Hill from just after Tottenham Hale (running south of White Hart Lane) as well as a loop line to Enfield Lock (then known as Ordnance Factory) diverging just after Edmonton Green.
 
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Apparently read the other day the original plan for the London and South Western Railway (LSWR) was to continue on from Waterloo (which was conceived as a through station) up to around London Bridge, apparently even acquiring property to the south west of London Bridge only for the financial crisis of 1848-1849 to kill off the extension and forever close that possibility. One which had it been built could have eventually laid the groundwork for trains traveling from London Bridge, Cannon Street or Blackfriars to run through ATL Waterloo station.

Rather intriguingly on an old map dating from the late-1860s to early-1870s from the National Library of Scotland that appears to show a couple of engine siding tracks at Waterloo (then called Waterloo Bridge station) pointing in the direction of Charing Cross, would like to stress there is nothing to suggest there was any plans for such a link given capacity limitations at Charing Cross around that period in OTL. However it also brings to mind the OTL North Western and Charing Cross Railway proposal that was to link Charing Cross with Euston by tunnel in a similar manner to the Snow Hill tunnel that today is part of Thameslink, the former from Charing Cross would not only be able to run towards London Bridge and beyond but also with the right PODs towards Waterloo and beyond as well.


 
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