Why wasn't there a war of Aragonese succession?

[water123]

That's interesting. Would the hyper Capetian state attempt to expand into North Africa?

A hyper Capetian state would attempt to expand everywhere.

 

[Wendell]

A hyper Capetian state would attempt to expand everywhere.

But potentially miss out on the Americas due to constant wars adjacent to and involving France.

 

[water123]

But potentially miss out on the Americas due to constant wars adjacent to and involving France.

Plus, the Spanish are gonna end up colonizing most of America. The whole of the Americas would be Catholic no doubt. It's much less that Pancapetia could never conquer America, it's that Pancapetia could never convert their part of America to it's religion, or have it speak whatever horrifyingly mish mashed language arises in that nation.

 

[Wendell]

Plus, the Spanish are gonna end up colonizing most of America. The whole of the Americas would be Catholic no doubt. It's much less that Pancapetia could never conquer America, it's that Pancapetia could never convert their part of America to it's religion, or have it speak whatever horrifyingly mish mashed language arises in that nation.

Pancapetia (lol) would speak French, officially at least.

 

[water123]

Pancapetia (lol) would speak French, officially at least.

Maybe not, since there would be so much mixing of the elites.

 

[Wendell]

Maybe not, since there would be so much mixing of the elites.

Elites of French ancestry who engage diplomatically in French if not Latin. French will be different in some ways from OTL, but the state would be Paris-based, and dominated by a French ruling and noble class supplemented by Italians, Catalans, Aragonese (?), Greeks, Germans, Poles (!), etc.

 

[water123]

Elites of French ancestry who engage diplomatically in French if not Latin. French will be different in some ways from OTL, but the state would be Paris-based, and dominated by a French ruling and noble class supplemented by Italians, Catalans, Aragonese (?), Greeks, Germans, Poles (!), etc.

Still, the fact that all of these ethnicities are going to be trying to get along is going to create at least a Parisian slang mix of the languages.

 

[Wendell]

Still, the fact that all of these ethnicities are going to be trying to get along is going to create at least a Parisian slang mix of the languages.

Probably. It will be like the Vienna of 1910, but on steroids.

 

[water123]

Probably. It will be like the Vienna of 1910, but on steroids.

The trick is to have said language spread.

 

[Cornelis]

As seen OTL, being part of the same dynasty does not always make strong alliances. But if we go for a full capetian union in 1410 : France+Aragon+Naples+Hungary+Burgundy. If I were Austria, I'd discover another continent only to flee. In fact, there were no administrative tools efficient for governing such vast territories. The best case we could see is Aragonese backing to the French in order to expel the English, French backing to the Aragonese for trashing the Castillans and securing the south of the Peninsula. With a stronger France and an Aragon in control of the spanish Atlantic ports, the Discovery of America could be made under the fleur-de-lys and the sanch i or.

 

[Wendell]

As seen OTL, being part of the same dynasty does not always make strong alliances. But if we go for a full capetian union in 1410 : France+Aragon+Naples+Hungary+Burgundy. If I were Austria, I'd discover another continent only to flee. In fact, there were no administrative tools efficient for governing such vast territories. The best case we could see is Aragonese backing to the French in order to expel the English, French backing to the Aragonese for trashing the Castillans and securing the south of the Peninsula. With a stronger France and an Aragon in control of the spanish Atlantic ports, the Discovery of America could be made under the fleur-de-lys and the sanch i or.

That makes sense.