Why Was Mary, Queen of Scots Deposed?

Yeah, she murdered her husband, took up with the guy who had helped her plot the murder and all that, but ISTR on this site that Mary's deposition had a political dimension, namely that once she turned 25yo, she was in her full powers or something - can't find the post or poster ATM - but that she could basically retroactively nullify all/most of the legislation that had been passed since the start of her reign.

@mcdnab @The Professor @isabella @desmirelle
 
Yeah, she murdered her husband, took up with the guy who had helped her plot the murder and all that, but ISTR on this site that Mary's deposition had a political dimension, namely that once she turned 25yo, she was in her full powers or something - can't find the post or poster ATM - but that she could basically retroactively nullify all/most of the legislation that had been passed since the start of her reign.

@mcdnab @The Professor @isabella @desmirelle
That was the true reason (specifically Mary at 25 years old would be able to ask to her noble to give back all the lands they had reiceved during her minority) James VI was a much more convenient ruler than Mary for the Scottish’ nobles.

In any case Mary had not murdered Darnley and her match with Bothwell was political as she was persuaded who the Scottish nobles wanted her wedding to Bothwell (they do not really but had signed a paper in which they declared to be favorable to that wedding) and is pretty likely who Bothwell forced her for being sure who she would accept to marry him.

Mary was tired of Darnley, who was a very bad husband and caused trouble for everyone, but she had not ordered to kill him (well Darnley’s death was the only possible way to free her without endanger James’ legitimacy but that do not mean who she wanted him dead).
Mary do not knew anything about the complot for killing her husband as the conspirators feared who she would have stopped them
 
One: an infant is easier for the clans to control. Since the death of James V at Flodden, Scotland had been ruled by committee.
Two: She married without her counsel's advice/or against it (like any one of them would vote for a Englishman whose only recommendations were his looks and charm with ladies).
Three: She was Roman Catholic, and despite her neutral position on religion, the Protestants were taking no chances on losing their religious control.
Four: She didn't kill Darnley, she didn't have him crowned & for that latter reasons, a few good Scotsmen decided he was (to quote an Elton John song) 'better off dead'. But when Bothwell was acquitted, she didn't do the smart thing - banish his ass back to his estates (there were more than enough nobles from both sides of Scottish blankets to enforce this.
Five: She was too easily swayed by a pretty face and manners OR a man with a great ego and the strength to back him up.
Six: Since they (the nobles) wanted #1, they used Bothwell's apparent ravishment of the Queen (which should have been TREASON to get rid of her.
Seven: Last but not least, it's the same attitude H8 had regarding having no son - Women can't rule, can't hold a throne (apparently his first mother-in-law had be totally forgotten by Hank).
 
One: an infant is easier for the clans to control. Since the death of James V at Flodden, Scotland had been ruled by committee.
Two: She married without her counsel's advice/or against it (like any one of them would vote for a Englishman whose only recommendations were his looks and charm with ladies).
Three: She was Roman Catholic, and despite her neutral position on religion, the Protestants were taking no chances on losing their religious control.
Four: She didn't kill Darnley, she didn't have him crowned & for that latter reasons, a few good Scotsmen decided he was (to quote an Elton John song) 'better off dead'. But when Bothwell was acquitted, she didn't do the smart thing - banish his ass back to his estates (there were more than enough nobles from both sides of Scottish blankets to enforce this.
Five: She was too easily swayed by a pretty face and manners OR a man with a great ego and the strength to back him up.
Six: Since they (the nobles) wanted #1, they used Bothwell's apparent ravishment of the Queen (which should have been TREASON to get rid of her.
Seven: Last but not least, it's the same attitude H8 had regarding having no son - Women can't rule, can't hold a throne (apparently his first mother-in-law had be totally forgotten by Hank).
a) sure
b) Darnley was Scottish, heir of one of the family closest to the throne (the not royal Stewarts) plus he reinforced her rights on the English Crown and if only he had another kind of character he would have been a great match for her
c) possible
d) True who Darnley was not crowned but that at the beginning was more the Scottish parlament than Mary’s will and after Darnley’s own character. After Darnley had the secretary of Mary killed near her chambers apparently for jealousy Mary wanted be free from this undesiderable husband. About Bothwell Mary had very little control of the situation plus exiling him would not have helped her at all... And almost all Mary’s supporters at the time (and many of that who rebelled against her and Bothwell) were more or less involved in Darnley’s killing...
e) Mary’s French education was her biggest problem as she lacked both the preparation for ruling in her own right and the understanding of Scottish politics and aristocracy who would be necessary for ruling there. On the paper Darnley was a good match and Bothwell a better one...
f) unfortunately not true. Queen or not Mary had almost zero protection against a forced wedding. Pretty likely who some Scottish nobles projected from the start to use Bothwell for removing Mary but still...
g) Not totally true about Mary, but she was educated as a French Queen consort and not as Queen of Scotland so she was not prepared to rule. Henry VIII’s obsession in truth was quite reasonable if you look back at the War of Roses and the Anarchy as the Tudors were a very new dynasty and the only woman who had ever tried to claim the English crown aka Empress Matilda was unable to inhereit the kingdom (and look at how the descendants of Philippa of Clarence were overlooked)... Spain was a different kingdom with different traditions
 
Few points:
Mary was not badly educated but her time as the darling of the French court had not prepared her for the cut and thrust of Scots politics.
On her return to Scotland it was generally thought that she would appoint a new council of a more Catholic and pro-French temperament that the existing one - she didn't instead siding with the Protestant lords (many of whom who had made her mother's regency so difficult).
She then united with her half-brother to destroy one of the country's leading Catholic peers whose support might have saved her in the future.
Her marriage to Darnley prompted trouble at home and abroad but on paper the match was a good one.
He was nominally Catholic, had a strong claim to the English Throne and a smaller claim to the Scots throne (the Earl of Lennox like the Earl of Arran was descended from the daughter of James II). Abroad Elizabeth saw the marriage as a threat (though her true feelings on the matter are hard to discern) and believed Darnley should have asked her consent being an English subject for her council though it stopped a foreign more dangerous match.
In Scotland the Protestant lords were equally concerned at the Queen's catholic marriage to the son of a man considered to have been a traitor by many - though Mary had restored him to his estates before she married his son. Incidentally the couple married without a papal dispensation which would have given her a "get out of jail" card later if she'd wanted the marriage annulled.
The marriage prompted a rebellion by Moray and many of his friends but Mary failed to really take full control though she appointed new councillors from both sides of the religious divide. It might have been at this point things settled down but Darnley's behaviour and Mary's dependence on her small circle of ladies and her secretary would soon destroy the marriage.
Darnley wanted far more than Mary was willing to give including the crown matrimonial which would have meant Henry becoming effectivly co-sovereign and on Mary's death remain King. His jealousy drove him into the arms of the rebel lords though he switched sides back to Mary. Mary and her lords discussed how to move forward divorce was an option but none were keen on anything that would risk the succession - it was pretty clear what the other option was which was the usual solution in the murky waters of Scots politics.
Darnley's murder effectively destroyed Mary's reputation whether she knew it was to happen or not - it freed her from an unhappy marriage but cost her the throne.
Bothwell's trial was a fiasco of justice - Lennox was given no time to prepare any evidence and Bothwell then managed to bully the nobles to support his own marriage to the Queen.
Mary maintained she was forced to the Bothwell match because it made her a victim and enabled her to present herself as a true Catholic to the French and Spanish and the English Catholics who were appalled that she had married a divorced man by Protestant rite.
Bothwell soon fell out of favour with the peers who'd supported the marriage and it all lead to him fleeing abroad and the Queen dragged through the streets while people chanted adultress and murderer at her
 
Would Mary (had she not sided with Moray to destroy Gordon, was it?) have had more support from the Catholic peers even if the rest of events sort of happened as OTL?
 
I get the impression she was damned no matter who she supported. It was that divided.

I didn't mean that it would necessarily spare her being deposed (if she acts as OTL - Hell, even if she acts Elizabeth-like - she's walking the razor's edge), but simply that it might make the Catholic lords have a *slightly* better view of her than say, "she's Moray's puppet" or whatever. Perhaps feel that the crown is their "protector" against the Protestants?
 
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