Why never a three-sided Cold War?

AMBOMB said:
Britain was a democratic capitalist state much like the United States. There was no ideological conflict between the two.

that is true, but Britain could in part have been motivated by a desire to retain her place in the world.
China was underdeveloped from the warlords period, the civil war, the Japanese war, and the communist regime.
India could have become independent in WWI, then sat out WWII and continued to industrialise. As a resource importing state they could have been some kind of threat to the NATO block by competing for raw materials with them.
If India kept China out of Japanese hands during the thirties, we might have had a multipolar world.
I'm surprised that no one is interested in reviving the Third World/Non-aligned movement consolidates under China, India, Indonesia, Egypt, etc. idea I linked to.

Could a Japanese Empire-Soviet-West Cold War have resulted if Japan never threw its lot with the Axis?
Strategos' Risk said:
I'm surprised that no one is interested in reviving the Third World/Non-aligned movement consolidates under China, India, Indonesia, Egypt, etc. idea I linked to.

Could a Japanese Empire-Soviet-West Cold War have resulted if Japan never threw its lot with the Axis?
Sure. If Japan got out of China they would never have been embargoed by the US. Now if they used the opportunity to buy Siberia from the Russians, and the Netherlands East Indies from the Dutch government in exile, they would have been supported by the US. They would have built an empire that would have made them the third force on earth.
It's a pity they got involved in China anyway.
A POD in 1923 maybe? The prime minister makes a speech about conquering China and then the Great Kanto Earthquake hits? Talk about omens!
Then they pick up all the occupied european countries bits and pieces in Asia.
Three way cold war including

Mitteleuropa. Includes puppet governments.

Russia. Border probably along the Dneiper/Dvina line.

Japan. Siberia and south east Asia.


Commonwealth. Includes all of Africa.
India. Got independence as too big.
China. Got rid of communists without the Japanese.
Some kind of Organisation of the American States.
Strategos' Risk said:
As for three blocs- maybe the sides hate each other so much, they tend to ally with each other for a short time and then betray each other, then repeat.
Reminds me of the situation in Nineteen Eighty-Four (Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia)


It could be possible, and it could benefit the US, Western Europe, and other pro-Western nations or governments. In the early years of the Cold War people in the US were afraid over China becoming communist and thought that communism was going to sweep all over the world. This isn't necessarily true. Soviet Communism and China Communism are two different things. The Soviets played things their way, and the Chinese played by their own rules. If leaders and people in the NATO and other allied nations realize and understand this, they can covertly play the Soviets and the Chinese against each other.
How about a wild card?

Franco convinces Mussolini that Hitler is just going to get himself in deep. This combined with an honest analysis of Italy's actual military capabilities in 1940 causes Italy to stay out of WWII.

Spain, Portugal, Turkey and Italy form a neutral bloc, which also includes the colonies which became Angola, Guinea-Bissau, Spanish Sahara, Libya, Mozambique, Goa, Macao, et at.

In 1944 they enter WWII collectively as associated with the Allied side. Given the sheer weight of numbers, and an Italian military/industry which has had 4 years to advance and develop, they hit hard, overrunning most of the Balkans while finally being stopped just short of Munich. As a result Italy is able to add Albania, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia, Croatia, and Greece to the bloc. Albania also get Kosovo, Macedonia is split four ways and never becomes a nation, Croatia loses nearly half its territory as the foulness of the regime earned no friends. Bulgaria/Romania are particularly delighted to be saved from a Soviet occupation.

The collapse of the German position in the Balkans and battle for Bavaria causes a massive retreat for the Germans. The attempted reorganization after Bagration never happens, with an immediate pullback holding Hungary and Poland west of the Vistula, with a similar retreat to Belgium and the Alsace-Lorraine in the west by July. During this a small cabal of officers led by Count von Stauffenberg assassinates Hitler and other top Nazis.

However, the failiure to kill Himmler leads to German civil conflict and the collapse of all hopes for a negotiated settlement. Despairing, German units in the West begin surrendering en masse and Patton's Third Army enters Berlin in November 1944.

Stalin is furious about losing so much of his anticipated gains, even though both Churchill and FDR have guaranteed an occupation of Germany on terms like OTL, and Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and the Baltic States are still doomed.

The climactic meeting at Yalta in December(sic) between Churchill, FDR, and Stalin ends disastrously. Stalin is determined to have what he wants, and also suggests he may not withdraw from northern Norway and much of Austria. The climactic moment is when FDR suggests a joint ultimatum to force concessions from the bloc.

Churchill not only refuses but goes so far as storm out of Yalta, warning that the British Empire and Commonwealth will not cooperate in any way. When this reaches the public, all hell breaks loose. Fighting actually begins and the Soviets manage some advances when the word arrives.

The explosion at Yalta, combined with Churchill's actions, including a threat to intern several hundred thousand Americans in England, have caused FDR's health to worsen. On January 17, 1945 FDR dies. Vice-President Wallace will use his three day presidency to cause division in the Democratic Party over the next few years(fortunately resisting urges to declare himself 'rightful' president in place of Truman).

Truman takes power on January 20, 1945 and demands a stop to the Soviet advance, cancelling the American withdrawal from German soil east of the intended East/West German border. Stalin is furious but relieved in one sense. The Bloc fielded nearly 150 divisions, properly armed although lacking experience, with the bulk of the armies of Turkey, Spain, and Italy not yet in the Balkans. Although most of Croatia and Romania have fallen, over half a million casualties have been suffered and resistance is only stiffening. At the least, a continuation means the USSR will forfeit any involvment in the Pacific War. There is also the real possibility of setbacks or even losing ground.



Please continue. If the Balkans, Romania and Bulgaria don't fall into Soviet control after the war, but instead lean towards the west, that will weaken the Soviets in the Cold War considerably.