Why is there Titanic so well known compared to other sinking ships?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by mauriceq, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:59 AM.

  1. Jukra Well-Known Member

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    When teaching 7th graders (13-14 yo) I actually used clips from 1997 "Titanic" movie as well as the story of the actual trip. The event is known even by junior teens, particularly by teenage girls but boys too, so it was good to display and investigate many things, such as status of world communications ca. 1900, steel, steam power, class divisions, role of men and women, Finnish emigration to the US, history of conspiracy theories, what kind of events are highlighted in popular history, inaccuracies in movies (such as perfect haircut and make-up which girls always point out), history of film (by showing different clips from different movies) etc.

    It's also a story pupils from various cognitive levels enjoy, whether for sheer sake of action or more refined nuances of the background.

    So, while the event itself is not important enough for school curriculum, it is a magnificent magnifying glass to use with the pupils to take a view on pre-WW I Europe (& America). If I had used less known examples to display the same themes I would have had to spent more time for the examples to actually make sense.
     
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  2. marathag Well-Known Member with a target on his back

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    Don't forget, there were several silent versions, and even one put out by Nazi Germany in 1943, and some of that footage was reused in the '58 film
     
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  3. David T Well-Known Member

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    TITANIC STRUCK BY ICY REPRESENTATION OF NATURE'S SUPREMACY STOP INSUFFICIENT LIFEBOATS DUE TO POMPOUS CERTAINTY OF MAN'S INFALLIBILITY STOP MICROCOSM OF LARGER SOCIETY STOP


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  4. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    in all fairness, those are alot easier to forget existed. there's tons of media, including really good ones, that hardly anyone today is familiar with. we AH.commers are history buffs and we're hardly representative of the majority.
     
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  5. Khanzeer Well-Known Member

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    I apologize for the cheekiness
     
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  6. Khanzeer Well-Known Member

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    How does it compare with the Hindenburg disaster ? In terms of cultural impact
     
  7. Mark E. Well-Known Member

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    I would say the Hindenburg was more sensational, since it was radio broadcast and filmed. People still traveled by ship (with lifeboats) but you never hear of any lighter than air ships outside of the military and the ceremonial Goodyear blimps (even though helium will not burn).
     
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  8. Zheng He Well-Known Member

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    I think this post sums it up pretty well, there were so many different facets to the story that there is something that any of us should find compelling.
     
  9. wcv215 Well-Known Member

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    I would add that it led to major changes in boat safety standards in the law worldwide. The Titanic has been well over the legal requirements for safety equipment and it was still so bad.
     
  10. Peg Leg Pom Well-Known Member

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    And yet had she been given all the lifeboats her designers wanted her to have almost everyone would have survived. Instead to save money she was given what the law said she had to have and 1500 died, twice the number of survivors.
     
  11. wcv215 Well-Known Member

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    I didn’t say it was given enough. I said it was more than required. And then the requirements changed.
     
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  12. Histor32 Well-Known Member

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    Actually.. No.. It never left

    Walter lord, Molly brown and others kept it very much alive.

    Titanic was just the perfect disaster that keeps surfacing. It was in between the old and new eras.. People built the boat up.. Olympic had a good service record, there was the immigrant movement.

    Tie that with maiden voyage and rich people..

    I'm 47 and I was a titanic buff by age 5.. Hell I remember the movie raise the titanic. And eas like that would be sooo cool.. The movie sucked.. But that seen of her surfacing.. Was just beautiful...

    She just never faded from memory
     
  13. Histor32 Well-Known Member

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    Cough.. Dude look up titanic on imdb.. There lots of movies.. Back in the day there were lots of made for TV movies.. Lots of books.. Magazines.. It just haplened to be the disaster that everyone latched on to.. It could have been the Mary Celeste Or the Andrea doria Or britanic or a number of ships. Titanic hit during a lull and towards an age of innocence and man feeling too confident in himself
     
  14. Peg Leg Pom Well-Known Member

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    That it is also seen as foreshadowing the much greater disaster that began 2 years later also keeps the story going. It's symbolic of the whole Edwardian world heading confidently into the future blind to its coming doom.
     
  15. Zheng He Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, I’m 49 and I got interested around age six or seven. Loved the movie Raise the Titanic when it was new although in part because it was in the early days of HBO in my house and at that time any movie on TV uncut was cool.
     
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  16. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    i know--i actually looked up alot of Titanic movies that i hadn't known about before for one of my own projects :p ;)--i'm just saying that most people probably aren't aware of most of those in the same way that they probably aren't aware of lots of movies, plays, and books from earlier time periods
     
  17. Jukra Well-Known Member

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    Besides, I think as "Titanic" of 1997 becomes aged there will be a new production, probably TV-series by major streaming service, made about the event, it's simply inevitable. A TV-series would be able to capture the drama from numerous angles, whether technical speculation, romantic drama or class differences.
     
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  18. marathag Well-Known Member with a target on his back

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    As I usually bring up in these Titanic threads,
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    The Steamship General Slocum, on fire off Long Island in 1904
    Over a thousand Men, Women and Children burned or drowned, mostly from faulty or missing safety equipment
    But they were mostly German Immigrants, so didn't rate like Rich people did as a PR tragedy
     
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    Or Dona Paz, in the Philippines in 1987. When it happens in the Third World, it's a non-event for the Western Media, and even less for the popular culture. Won't be seeing Jack and Rose. 4341 dead, 26 survivors.
     
  20. UCB79 Bookworm, 1st class

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    Finally, there is the element of sheer luck(all of it bad).If THE TITANTIC had seen the iceburg 15 sec-
    onds earlier she probably would have avoided it. If she'd seen it 15 seconds LATER she would have
    rammed it head-on. People would have been killed & the bow section heavily damaged- but THE TIT-
    ANIC almost certainly would have stayed afloat. I think @ the worst she would have sunk even more
    slowly than she in fact did, giving time for still more ships (even THE CALIFORNIAN)to come to her aid
    (whereas IOTL only the hero ship CARPATHIA was able to do so). More people thus would have been
    saved. If she had hit the ice any other way. If those watertight bulkheads had only been ONE lousy deck
    higher. If she had heeded any of the SIX messages she had earlier received warning of ice. And finally,
    if her lookouts had had binoculars(which of course instead were locked away).
     
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