Why Germany Won- Timeline of the Third Reich 1933-2010

[Res Publica]

Was Britain annexed?

I'm just begun to read, In the Precence of Mine Enemies(so a havn't and I don't want to read your timeline for now). I know than in the begining when Alicia is in her classroom, there is a description of a WorldMap, where Britain was annexed to the Reich, but when Suzzana is in London, Britain has its custums, its currency(with the face of King Henry IX), so Britain didn't look as a territory than the Reich annexed, it look more like a puppet goverment than a part the Reich. Maybe is than i havn't finish the novel.

Can someone explain me that?

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[Tetsu]

I think I can. Britain was not a part of the GGR, the Greater German Reich, but rather the Germanic Empire, which consists of all lands occupied by the Third Reich. The GGR is just Germany, Poland, the Ukraine, and some other states. Britain was still under a Fascist government, but since it was part of the overall Germanic Empire and not the GGR, it was a bit more independant, culturally.

 

[Res Publica]

Thanks for your answer tetsu-katana.

But I don't think than the book make that difference, it only divides the world in to independent countries, occupied countries and the Greater German Riech, and in the Greater German Reich it includes the Reich and the colonies(Like those in Africa).Maybe that would come up in the book, as I said I havn't finish it.

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[hammo1j]

When UK goes under I would suggest colonies all declare independence. I cannot see why India would voluntarily place itself under Nazi rule. Possibly Canada is annexed by the USA voluntarily or not.

Always enjoy broad sweep TLs like this and yours is no exception. Look forward to some more.

 

[FederationX]

I felt like reposting my timeline based on Turtledove's book, In the Presence of Mine Enemies. I edited a few things, however I have to completely rewrite the World War Two part. It's unrealistic, I know. I didn't know at the time. Ill work on that sometime this week. Anyways, if you don't want any spoilers from the book, dont read this. I hope to add some more tables and charts, a section post-Himmler, rewrite WW2 and edit it to make it look cleaner and easier to read. For those of you who haven't read my timeline or have some suggestions that don't differ from the novel, please feel free to ask them. Thanks.
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Why Germany Won: Timeline of the Third Reich 1933-2010

1933 to 1936- President-elect Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated by Giuseppe Zangara on February 15th in Miami, Florida. Zangara is caught and tried for the murders of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Chicago mayer, Anton Cermak. He is executed in just 33 days later, death by the electric chair. On March 4th, Vice-President elect John Garner is inaugurated as President of the United States. Garner opposes the late Roosevelt's New Deal policy and keeps a status-quo approach to the depression. Over the next few years the economy sinks even lower. Unemployment hits an all time high of 37% percent in 1935 and rioting breaks out in many major cities across the country. Garner uses the United States Army to put down many of the riots, causing severe civil disorder. On April 5th, 1936, Garner is able to get Congress to ratify temporary martial law over the entire nation. Military governors are installed in the most troublesome states, including New York, Pennsylvania and California. All civilian courts are suspended until further notice and military tribunals are activated. Congress passes a bill enlarging the military to almost twice its size. The U.S. Army reaches a size of 400,000 men by the summer of 1936, many of them policing the nation. Rioting and looting becomes almost non-existent thanks to military occupation. In October of 1936, martial law is lifted and the elections of 1936 are to be taken place. Garner is renominated by the Democrats , almost by military force. The Republicans nominate Alfred Landon as President and promise to bring the nation back to normal. Their main platform is isolationism and fixing the economy. In November, John Garner and his running mate, Wendell Wilkie lose the election by a landslide. Garner is only able to win four states and loses the popular vote by almost 16 million votes.

1937 to 1940 – The United States is able to improve their economy with many of the principals of the late Franklin Roosevelt. Unemployment drops to 15 percent by 1939 and Landon is considered a hero to the American people. In September 1939, Nazi Germany invades Poland. The United Kingdom and France declare war on Germany, setting off the Second World War. President Landon promises to keep the United States out of European affairs and pushes for even greater isolationism. He vows that the economy is the number one goal for America and interfering in Europe will shatter the economy. In 1940 he wins the Presidential election by over 100 electoral votes, defeating his weak Democratic opponent Henry Wallace. In Europe, Germany defeats Poland, France, Holland, Luxembourg, Norway and Belgium. Germany, Italy and Japan sign the Tripartite Pact in September of 1940. In England, Winston Churchill becomes Prime Minister. From May to October 1940, Germany is able to destroy much of the Royal Air Force, winning the Battle of Britain. Denmark hands over Ireland and Greenland to the United States for they do not want the Nazis in control there. British troops are captured at the French port of Dunkirk. The British will to fight seems to lessen.

1941 to 1944 – With Germany's air victory against Britain, they begin Operation Sealion, the invasion of the United Kingdom. German air superiority is able to destroy much the Royal Navy, and the invasion begins in June of 1941. Britain fights with fury and protests for American help. President Landon declines and says he believes in strict neutrality. The Battle of London is fought in November of 1941.Germany uses glider craft to land some of their special forces into southern England. Erwin Rommel's Panzer divisions break the British defenses of the city and by January of 1942, all resistance ceases in the city. The Royal Family, Winston Churchill and much of the government are able to escape to Canada. A provisional government is set up in Leeds and surrenders in April. The British forces in North Africa fight on until 1943 until they lose to Erwin Rommel's Afrika Corps at the Battle of Cairo. By the end of 1946, many of the former British colonies and possessions are annexed into the Reich, including India. South Africa becomes an Aryan dominated union, allied to Germany. In 1944, Germany puts the British Union Fascists in charge of Britain. Northern Ireland is attached to Ireland and becomes an ally with Germany. Canada, Australia and New Zealand make a status-quo peace with the Axis.

In June 1941, Germany attacked the Soviet Union, breaking the non-aggression pact. German troops win the Battle of Moscow and the first Panzer IV enters the Kremlin compound. In January 1942, Stalin is found dead in the city. Leningrad is taken eight months later. German forces are able to defeat the unorganized Russian troops at Stalingrad and in January 1943 they take the city. The Russian government collapses and there is no formal surrender. Military resistance ends by 1945. Millions of civilians are murdered or sent to concentration camps. By the end of 1944 almost 35 million civilians have been killed (2) . The war in Europe ends. In the Pacific, the Dutch East Indies are peacefully handed over to Japan. Queen Wilhelmina does not wish to continue the fight. Japan is able to keep relations open with the United States and does not declare war. The Second World War ends in 1944 with Germany and Japan as the top dogs.

1945 to 1968 – Nazi Germany starts to rebuild Europe. The Greater German Reich annexes all of Poland into Germany itself. Bohemia-Moravia, Alsace-Lorraine, Danzig, Luxembourg and Lithuania are also directly annexed into the Third Reich. Estonia and Latvia are combined to form one country, under German occupation. The Ukraine and Belorussia become colonies of the Reich. France remains occupied and Britain becomes an official member of the Greater German Reich. Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Greece and Norway become members as well. Finland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Portugal, South Africa and Japan all become allies to Germany by 1955.
Greenland and Ireland remain protectorates of the United States. The United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Chili and Brazil create the Organization of Allied Nations or OAN. The United States tries to keep good relations with the Axis. Presidents Dewey and Stevenson keep open ties with all the nations of the Axis. In 1957, Japan annexes all of China after 20 years of fighting. Chiang Kai-Shek commits suicide in 1956, in the city of Chengdu.

Germany tests their first nuclear bomb in 1947. Japan follows in 1953 and the United States 1956. Hermann Goring dies in 1953 in a jet plane accident. In 1958, the Germans land a man on the moon, just 9 years after launching their first satellite. Adolf Hitler dies in 1958 of a liver aliment and is replaced by Heinrich Himmler. Italy and Germany commit genocide in the Middle East, killing off more then the 80 percent of the total population. The population of the former Soviet Union drop to 30 million and the German government opens it to colonization. Himmler calls upon the German people that North America has a “Jewish Problem.” The United States does not back down to Germany and declares the Reich to be a nation of racists. Himmler says in a speech to the Reichstag in 1963 that the United States and Canada will one day be liberated from the Jew someday. Mexico allows a German defense force to enter the country. Mexico cited the American people were aggressive and would one day invade again. By 1965 over 175,000 German troops have entered Mexico. President Humphrey (1961-1965) appeases to the German government and lets this defense force enter Mexico. Relations between the United States and Germany become strained. In 1967, the two nations have very little diplomatic contact. In December of 1968, Germany accuses the United States of violating its airspace over Scotland. President Henry Cabot Lodge (1965-1970) denounces these claims and mobilizes the armed forces. On January 4th, 1969 , Germany (and its allies) and Japan declare war on the United States and the rest of the OAN.

1969 to 1970 –

1969 - The Third World War started out non-nuclear. Japan bombs Hawaii and begins an invasion of the Philippines. The U.S. Pacific Fleet holds its own in the South Pacific and counterattacks near Taiwan. The Luftwaffe begins bombing runs over Alaska and British Columbia, killing thousands. German troops make a thrust up through Texas and New Mexico with over 375,000 troops stationed in Mexico. V-6 rockets bombard American cities on the East Coast, killing tens of thousands. Germany and Japan demand a surrender from the USA, but they refuse. In September, Japan wins at the Battle of the Coral Sea, destroying 6 American aircraft carriers and 3 battleships. Japan then begins an invasion of Australia. The following month, the Philippines and Guam fall to Japan, while Iceland is captured by Germany in the Atlantic. German troops are halted near Lubbock, Texas with tactical nuclear weapons. Germany relates with the nuclear bombing of Boston. A three megaton nuclear bomb hits the city, killing almost everyone in it. On December 7th, 1969, Japan captures Midway and Wake Island. U.S forces in the Pacific fall back to Hawaii, mustering up their defenses. On December 28th, the Aleutian Islands U.S. Marine garrison surrenders after a two month conflict on the islands.

1970 – In March, the new V-7 rocket comes into service. The first one ever is launched from Munich, Germany, heading towards Toronto, Canada. It is armed with a one megaton nuclear warhead. Toronto is destroyed in a massive nuclear fireball and the next day the Canadian government revokes its membership in the OAN and surrenders to Germany.

The United States counterattacks into Mexico and reaches Mexico City in May. The U.S. wins the Battle of Mexico City. Over 300,000 Mexicans die, compared to only 25,000 Americans. In retaliation, Germany nukes Atlanta and Pittsburgh. The United States in return launches its obsolete nuclear missiles towards Mexico and Germany. The missiles heading towards Mexico are successful, killing over 30 million people. However, the missiles going towards Germany are all stopped. In the Pacific, Japan invades Hawaii. Honolulu and Hilo are taken within only a few weeks. In June, Australia and New Zealand surrender to Japan, after Sydney and Auckland fall to Japanese forces.

Germany offers the United States one more chance to surrender, however, they due not. Germany launches nuclear missiles towards the continental USA. Washington D.C. , Philadelphia, Hartford, San Francisco, Seattle, Houston, Miami, Detroit, Nashville and Denver vanish from the earth. Germany also targets military installations and outposts, destroying the American power to fight. On August 13th, 1970, the United States of America surrenders to the Greater German Reich, its allies and the Empire of Japan. Heinrich Himmler declares a day of celebration across the Reich and has fighter jets fly over Berlin and New York. The American territories in the Pacific and Hawaii are annexed by Japan. The rest of the United States and Canada become occupied nations, under German rule.
Hundreds of thousands of German troops occupy the United States. New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis and Chicago are targeted first for cleanup of the Jews and Blacks. Millions of people are rounded up and put into ghettos. People rat out their Jewish and Slavic neighbors in return for not being sent to the internment camps. Japanese Americans are deported to Japan, while the American Native American peoples are killed right on the spot. The new American puppet government is set up in Omaha, Nebraska. A new capitol building, occupation headquarters and a palace for the Fuhrer start to get built under German orders. The United States Armed Forces are officially disbanded and the new “Germanic Empire” sets up military bases across the nation. The United States keeps its name and territory, but nothing else. The constitution and all legal documents are now defunct and a new set of laws are written. The Liberty Bell in Philadelphia is found in the rubble of the city and is dug up by American prisoners. It is then flown back to Berlin. Australia and New Zealand are annexed by Japan.

Germany and its allies are now the rulers of the world. A new dark world has been forged from a once democratic and peace loving one.


1971 to 1985 – Heinrich Himmler is now ruler of the world, along with the rest of Germany. In 1971, Himmler sets up a colonial office in North America which is used to exploit the cattle herds of the Great Planes, the oil in Alaska and the tobacco fields of the American South. The Germanic Colonial Ministry now controls not just Eastern Europe, Africa, or India but also North America and parts of South America. After all of the purges in the United States and Canada, the population drops to 112 million in the USA and just over 10 million in Canada. In 1972, the American Nazi Party is formed, headed by Storm Thurmand. The black population drops to three percent of its original size. The German government starts to rebuild Mexico right after the war. The Mexican population drops to a staggering 35 million people by 1972. A puppet government is set up in Chilpancingo, Guerrero and asks for German help rebuilding its economy and cities. Germany agrees and sends huge amounts of monetary aid. The Mexican peso is now worth nothing, so Germany sends them Reichmarks to help bolster up the economy. In South America, Brazil and Chili become occupied. The rest of the continent joins the GAP, the Germanic Alliance for Peace.

In 1973, a Jewish uprising occurs in Moscow. Whats left of the secret Jewish population in Europe strikes in Moscow, killing thousands of new German colonists. A four week battle occurs between Jewish partisans and the SS Waffen. Most of the Jews die in the struggle, while the rest are killed in work camps in Siberia. The incident becomes will known across the world and much and many people furiously accept it. The United States public protests the genocide and pays dearly for it. Himmler bombs Chicago, killing thousands. Over 750,000 more people are killed by German occupation forces for treason. The American puppet government in Omaha, Nebraska, headed by Strom Thurmond, calls for peace across the occupied nation and demands an end to the protests. Within just days, the populace of the United States returns to normal. New military bases are set up in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Omaha to act as a deterrent against future rebellions.

In 1975, British partisans bomb the BUF headquarters in London, killing many high up personal in the British government. This causes riots across Britain. People loot and pillage and refuse to purchase German made goods. A military base is taken over by English citizens after being bombed numerous times. An entire Panzer brigade is captured and used to attack other German bases. London is finally taken over by the English rebels and demands for Germany to go home. Germany refuses the ultimatum and lands troops in Dover. Week long battles are fought in southern England between the German Army and the rebels. By the end of December of 1975, London is retaken. Almost half a million German troops are then sent to occupy the nation once more. Much of London is destroyed for second time and must be rebuilt once again. A new British Union of Fascists party is formed and is directly influenced by Germany Proper.

The last half of the 1970s end somewhat peacefully. Heinrich Himmler declares that he will uphold Nazi Doctrine and party policy will remain the same as it was in Adolf Hitler's day. He decrees that France shall remain occupied and that it shall not be admitted into the Greater German Reich (GGR) . In 1978, India is admitted into the GGR as a separate nation. Indian leaders call this a step in the right direction and that they are thankful for the rights given to them as a member of the GGR. Himmler says that India is more valuable as a member of the Reich then as a colony of the Germanic Empire. However, the Colonial Ministry continues to control their economic life. In Japan, Australia and New Zealand become protectorates in 1979, ending their 8 year occupation. A new ANZAC is created to defend both nations. The new ANZAC is limited to 100,000 men and will also have two Japanese infantry divisions and one armored division attached to it. Most of the Japanese occupations go home and let the Aussies defend themselves. However, the Head of State of both Australia and New Zealand is Japanese. Back in Europe, Finland is awarded the former Russian provinces of Karelia and Murmansk by the GGR. Himmler decrees that these lands are of Finnish descent and should be united with the National Socialist Republic of Finland.

In 1980, Czech protesters wave the Czechoslovakian flag in Prague. They decree that they want protectorate status in the GGR. Himmler says no and crushes the rallies in the city. Hundreds are executed for treason and thousands more are sent to work camps. In Africa, the Germanic territories of OTL Botswana and Namibia are annexed by the Union of South Africa. Germany believes that these lands are better suited for its ally. The population of Botswana and Namibia only equal a total of 975,000 people.

In 1983, Lunar Base One is created on the Moon's surface. 30 astronauts work and live on the moon. Himmler declares it a glorious time for the Germanic Empire and that someday the entire solar system will be colonized and annexed by the Reich. In Britain, the BUF rule is stronger then ever. The people over time come to except fascist rule and do not want to repeat another atrocity. Brazil and Chili become member of the GAP in 1984, ending their 13 year occupation. The Zeiss Home Computer becomes very popular in Germany and Italy. By 1985, almost 35 percent of all families in Germany have one. The 20 megabyte hard drive is the largest ever created for the public. Germany outlaws gay marriage and people thought to be homosexual are to be sent to prison. Storm Thurmond in the United States declares this a step in the right direction for all human beings. He says he will work hand and hand with the Germanic Empire and that the United States has become a better nation under Nazi rule.


In Germany, Heinrich Himmler dies in 1985. There are rumors that he really died in 1983 and that the SS have been ruling the country for 2 years, however many of these rumors are discredited. Kurt Haldweim is named Fuhrer of Germany and begins his lifelong rule.


Appendix A – The Holocaust

The Holocaust is very similar in this timeline, however over 12 million European Jews are killed, instead of 6 million. Over 100 million Russians have also been killed and the Slavic population of Europe is now gone. Many either died or went to work camps in Siberia. The former Soviet Union is now a colony of the Germanic Empire. In the Middle East, the Italian government was forced to commit genocide. Only about ten percent of the of the original population in the middle east is still alive. It is occupied and and exploited by both the Germanic Empire and the Italian Empire. Oil is being taken twice as fast then in OTL. In Africa, only around 100 million blacks and Arabs exist. South Africa had a population of 30 million Whites and 1 million Blacks as of 2010. Colonization of the continent began in 1977, after the final purge in Nigeria. In China, the population is only around 475 million people as of 2010. Japan killed much of the population off in the Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1957. Mongolia is also under control of Japan, and is used for colonization of the mainland for Japanese citizens. Over 40 million American and Canadian civilians were killed in the Holocaust, either being from Slavic or African origins. As of 2010, the world population is only around 3 and half billion people.


Appendix B- The Third War Causality (dead, no wounded count at this time)

Military Civilian Holocaust Victims
United States 545,000 42,000,000 36,975,000
Germany 475,000 35,000 N/A
Japan 295,000 160,000 N/A
Canada 140,000 3,750,000 5,450,000
Axis Allies 875,000 35,500,000 N/A
OAN 1,175,000 18,000,000 25,000,000
Total 3,720,000 99,445,000 67,425,000

*Note – Under the Axis killed list, many of those are the Mexican population, as they were decimated by American nuclear weapons near the end of the war.

Appendix C – List of Presidents of the United States of America

John Garner 1933-1937 Democrat
Alfred Landon 1937-1945 Republican
Thomas Dewey 1945-1949 Republican
Adlai Stevenson 1949-1957 Democrat
Harry Byrd 1957-1961 Republican
Hubert Humphrey 1961-1965 Democrat
Henry Lodge 1965-1970 Republican



Appendix D- Germany

The Germanic Empire is the name given to Germany in this TL. It consists of Germany, the Greater German Reich and then the colonies, occupied countries and protectorates of the Reich. Germany, Belgium, Greece, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Eastern Europe, Britain, etc. make up the GGR. The United States, Canada and France are occupied and were never officially annexed. India and parts of Africa have a protectorate status over them. Germany itself is the lands of lands of OTL Germany in 1939 plus Danzig, Poland, Lithuania, Alsace-Lorraine, Luxembourg, the former Czechoslovakia and Austria. The rest of the world is indirectly allied to the Germanic Empire. Italy, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Finland and Bulgaria are the biggest supporters of Germany.

Official List of the Germanic Empire-

Germany consists of (OTL) – Germany, Poland, The Free City of Danzig, Lithuania, the French provinces of Alsace-Lorraine, Luxembourg, Austria and the Czech Republic.

The Greater German Reich consists of – Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, the United Kingdom (excluding Northern Ireland) , Greece, Albania, India, Denmark, and Norway.

Occupied nations of the Germanic Empire: The United States, Canada and France

Colonies of the Germanic Empire: The Ukraine, the German territories in Africa, Iraq, Persia and the rest of the Middle East, Belorussia , Latvia/Estonia, and the rest of the Soviet Union (split up into Moscovy, Centralland and Siberia).

Allies of the Germanic Empire: Italy, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Japan, South Africa, Mexico, Cuba, the South American nations all belonging to GAP, Turkey, Croatia (which consists of OTL Croatia, Bosnia and a rump northern Serbia Hungary, Bulgaria, and Romania.


Appendix E- Important People

Adolf Hitler, dies in 1958 – First Fuhrer
Heinrich Himmler, dies 1985 – Second Fuhrer
Kurt Haldweim, dies 2010 – Third Fuhre
Hermann Goring, dies 1953 in an airplane crash (no foul play)
Reinhard Hydrech- Assassinated in 1958 by Heinrich Himmler's forces
Strom Thurmond, leader of the American Nazi Party, dies 1994
Charles Lynton, leader of the British Union of Fascists, dies 2024 (OTL Tony Blair)


Appendix F- World Population as of 2010

Greater German Reich- 350,000,000
Germanic Empire, total size- 1,750,000,000
Japanese Empire- 725,000,000
United States – 135,000,000 (apart of the Germanic Empire)
Canada- 15,500,000 (apart of the Germanic Empire)
Mexico- 55,000,000
Other- 575,000,000


Appendix G- Second World War (Officially 1939-1944)

There are many changes in the World War 2 then in OTL. For one, the United States never enters. The United Kingdom loses hundreds of thousands troops in the Dunkirk Disaster. They also lose the Battle of Britain and the fight for North Africa. Winston Churchill takes control of the government with an iron fist in December 1941, a month after Operation Sealion. Another POD (Point of Divergence) is that the Germans are able to take Moscow and Leningrad shortly after the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. Kursk falls in July of 1942 and the Germans are able to cross the Volga River in October of 1942. Japan is able to get the Dutch East Indies without a fight and the butterflies make sure they never commit suicide and declare war on the United States. While the British surrender in April of 1942, their military and colonial troops fight on until 1946, when India switches sides and surrenders to the Reich. North Africa fell in 1943. Russia never surrendered officially because their government collapsed in mid- 1943. All major resistance ended by 1948. Germany also accepted peace with ANZAC forces in 1943, returning to status-quo.

Appendix H- Third World War (Officially 1969-1970)

The United States went into this fight without a chance in hell. Germany and Japan surrounded it on both sides, with advanced missile technology. The United States Armed Forces was large, but greatly untested. The United States Army had a total number of 1,375,000 personal, the Marine Corps had 225,000, the Navy had 565,000 and the Air Force had 375,000 as of 1969. America lived in a dark world. It let its allies in Europe fall, one after after another until it was next. The United States used obsolete nuclear weapons and missiles. They were almost third rate compared to Germany's. The USA was shocked when Germany was able to land a man on the moon in 1958. America was barely able to launch a successful satellite in 1955. It was the last major power to test a nuclear weapon, three years after Japan in 1956. In the war, the U.S. Army fought in the Pacific, Mexico, Texas and New Mexico. The army and marine corps suffered terrible loses in the pacific, most notably, Hawaii and the Aleutian Island chain. The German invasion of Texas was only stopped through the use of nuclear weapons, on American soil. The Navy suffered loses in the Pacific and Atlantic theaters, however, the U.S. did win at Wake Island early in the war, destroying 3 Japanese aircraft carriers. The United States on a whole however, was not able to muster its strength because of the nuclear war. Canada easily went down America as well. Australia and New Zealand fought to the end to no avail and was forced to surrender after being invaded on the mainland. The war was quick and generally easy for the Axis, suffering minimal causalities. The OAN on the other hand was crushed.

Appendix I- The Germanic Colonial Ministry

The Germanic Colonial Ministry controls economic and living conditions in the German colonies and occupied countries. The food production in North America is under the direct control of the Colonial Ministry, as is the tea plantations in India, even though India enjoys the same status as the other nations of the GGR. Colonization of Africa and eastern Europe is stetted up by the ministry and all people's wishing to move to a colony must set up arrangements with the colonial authority's in that area. Incase of a problem where the German Armed Forces cannot help them, the Colonial Ministry is in control of a small Territorial Guard, which can protect it's personal in case of a problem. The Colonial Ministry answers to the Foreign Ministry in Berlin.

Appendix J- The United States as of 2010

The United States in this world is a lot a different then in ours. As of 2010, it's occupied by the Germanic Empire. The total population reaches only 135 million and the Jews, Blacks, and Asians are all gone. (The Asian population were forcibly sent to the Empire of Japan, as citizens of the empire. ) Many of the major cities were nuked, killing tens of millions. Radiation damage is still very severe in some areas, including parts of southern Pennsylvania and the northern region of Texas and New Mexico. The destroyed cities were cleaned up by American slave workers when Germany took control. Pieces of the Liberty Bell were found and were sent back to Berlin. The Golden Gate Bridge was also excavated from the radioactive ruins of San Francisco and today is in a museum in Omaha, Nebraska. Omaha today has a population of 525,000 people and is the capital of the United States. After Washington D.C. as destroyed, Germany set up a new capital in Omaha, Nebraska, an area not affected by the nuclear war. The capital has a Presidential Palace, where the head of the American Nazi Party lives and works. There is a parliament building, with people elected by the ANP. There are a total of 250 seats and all of them are just puppets of the ANP, as the ANP is a puppet to Germany. There is a Foreign Ministry building which gets orders from Germany on what to do and an Occupation Ministry which is headed by the German Armed Forces. The flag of the United States has stayed the same, with 13 stripes and 50 stars on it, even though Hawaii belongs to Japan. There are close to 250,000 German occupation troops that act as the police force and deterrent against American resistance. They are stationed across the country, mainly in the big cities and around the capital. Strom Thurmond died in 1994 to a terrorist's bullet and was replaced by one of the American Parliament member's, David Duke. Duke is still in power as of 2010. All media in the United States is regulated by the United Germanic Televisor Commission, or UGTC. It is total censorship and only state controlled programs are aired. That also goes for the press. All magazines and TV shows are published and shown by either the ANP, the German controlled BBC (which has the best programing in the world, even for being state controlled, or the Aryan Press, or AP. Food rationing was once instated in the USA, but after Strom Thurmond's conservative policy on accepting the German rule and supporting the GGR policies, the rationing ended in 1990-1991. All products purchased in the USA are German made. The U.S. as of 2010, cannot purchase non-Germanic made goods. Many of the automobiles and airplanes are purchased from the GGR nation of the United Kingdom. Most people in the USA live pretty good lives considering they are occupied.

Appendix K- Military Strength of Most Major Countries in 1969 (troops)

Army Navy Air Force National

Germany 8,500,000 2,250,000 2,500,000 5,000,000
Japan 3,000,000 1,250,000 975,000 2,750,000
USA 5,500,000 1,800,000 1,675,000 2,950,000
Italy 1,500,000 725,000 525,000 1,100,000
Canada 275,000 225,000 100,000 500,000
Axis Allies 7,000,000 1,250,000 1,500,000 2,500,000
OAN 3,750,000 1,500,000 2,250,000 1,650,000

 

[Pax Britannia]

I thought that in the book Britain was part of the GGR

 

[FederationX]

I thought that in the book Britain was part of the GGR

I included that.

 

[Wendell]

Harry Byrd as a Democrat....

 

[FederationX]

Harry Byrd as a Democrat....

Just butterflies. In real life he did a few things that were considered "opposing Democrats".

 

[Wendell]

Just butterflies. In real life he did a few things that were considered "opposing Democrats".

Well, so has virtually every President...

 

[FederationX]

Well, so has virtually every President...

Well having him a Republican isn't a big deal.

Wendell Wilkie was a Democrat until 1939 and he ran as a Republican in 1940.

 

[Wendell]

Well having him a Republican isn't a big deal.

Wendell Wilkie was a Democrat until 1939 and he ran as a Republican in 1940.

Because something happened that made him want to change parties...There was a spark. Where is Byrd's spark?

 

[FederationX]

Because something happened that made him want to change parties...There was a spark. Where is Byrd's spark?

I'm sure something could happen. After all, Germany crushed Britain and Russia in this timeline. The United States is totally isolasionist.

As for Wilkie, the reason he switched sides was more because he opposed The New Deal and because he thought the USA was underprepared for a world war. He was very liberal, however. He believed in civil rights and he supported FDR and the Democrats until his death in '44. One of the reasons he wasn't nominated by the Republicans in 1944 was because he was too liberal/progressive.

 

[Wendell]

I'm sure something could happen. After all, Germany crushed Britain and Russia in this timeline. The United States is totally isolasionist.

As for Wilkie, the reason he switched sides was more because he opposed The New Deal and because he thought the USA was underprepared for a world war. He was very liberal, however. He believed in civil rights and he supported FDR and the Democrats until his death in '44. One of the reasons he wasn't nominated by the Republicans in 1944 was because he was too liberal/progressive.

I knew why Wilkie changed, but my question pertained to Byrd.

 

[FederationX]

I knew why Wilkie changed, but my question pertained to Byrd.

And I answered it. Butterflies more or less. Pretend there was a scandal in the Deomcratic Party. If Wilkie can change that easily, Byrd could the same thing.

The Democrats and Republicans are too similar in my timeline, at least after World War Two.

 

[Michael E Johnson]

Are you going to add more to this tl-its really interesting.

 

[Kurt_Steiner]

I hope so...

 

[Max Sinister]

Errr...

"Garner loses the popular vote by almost 16 million votes" - isn't that a bit much, given the smaller US population? How much would that be in percentages?

Why does Landon implement FDR's ideas? He seems to me like the anti-FDR.

"Denmark hands over Ireland" - Iceland, please.

Oh-oh... successful Sealion...

35 million murders in three years?!

Humphrey lets Germans enter Mexico?!? Lost his mind? Monroe's rolling in his grave.

Purges in the US? Even if the kill every non-Aryan, and all political opposers... that's madness.

There are secret Jews in Moscow, and they organize an uprising?!?

Why doesn't Germany give Botswana, Karelia and so on earlier away?

Why don't they outlaw homosexuals earlier in the US? And what marriage? It sounds as if TTL US had had gay marriage before the nazis.

"Golden Gate Bridge was also excavated from the radioactive ruins of San Francisco and today is in a museum in Omaha, Nebraska." Yes, I try to imagine... a mile-long bridge, of course...

Sorry, but it's naziwank. And not even halfway believable.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

Errr...


Sorry, but it's naziwank. And not even halfway believable.

Presence of Mine Enemies is one of Turtledove's more ASB novels. I'd assume it was more to say that Germany would slowly liberalize and decline even if it did somehow achieve world dominance. It's not a real attempt to get a Nazi win, per say.

For example, Nazi nuclear superiority? The germans, even with OTL accelerated nuclear research, never got anywhere near nukes. In fact, judging by what was revealed post-war, many of the scientists considered an atomic bomb militarily impossible. If anyone should have atomic superiority, it would be the US.


But like I said, the book isn't supposed to be halfway believable in getting to the scene, only in the plot's execution.

 

[thejester]

I don't agree with this at all. Sure, Operation Sealion may be implausible, but how can you say without a shadow of a doubt that it could never happen? Tons of things happened throughout history that people said never could. Why exactly do you feel that there is absolutely nothing that the Axis powers could have done to win the war? And don't give me any crap about United States' industrial might.

Interesting TL, FederationX.

Because Sealion was so absurdly implausible? Yeah, it could have worked if every man in the Royal Navy had a simultaneous heart attack, but that's about it. This TL simply has the Luftwaffe 'winning', despite the fact they were never close, and the Luftwaffe destroying much of the RN, despite the fact they had an abysmal anti-shipping capability at night - and the RN had more than enough ships concentrated locally to be able to hit the invasion flotillas as they were making the crossing at night.

The Germans winning the 'Battle of Moscow' is an equally big joke. Given that they couldn't win in Stalingrad in summer, how do you figure they can do it in winter at the end of an even longer supply line against stronger Soviet opposition?

I'm just begun to read, In the Precence of Mine Enemies(so a havn't and I don't want to read your timeline for now). I know than in the begining when Alicia is in her classroom, there is a description of a WorldMap, where Britain was annexed to the Reich, but when Suzzana is in London, Britain has its custums, its currency(with the face of King Henry IX), so Britain didn't look as a territory than the Reich annexed, it look more like a puppet goverment than a part the Reich. Maybe is than i havn't finish the novel.

Can someone explain me that?

If Turtledove can't string together half-plausible TLs, why should he bother with internal consistancy?