Why Germany Won- Timeline of the Third Reich 1933-2010

I wrote this timeline based off of Harry Turtledoves novel In the Presence of Mine Enemies . There were so many unanswered questions that I wanted to make them myself. Even if you didn't read the book you'll know whats going on. This is just a rough draft and focuses on the timeline of his book, not the plausibily of it. This is just my idea on how the Nazified world formed. Some things have almost a ) percent chance of happening but some how they happend in the book, so whatever. There will be more later, including Part 2 and some more information appendixes. Here is Part One:

Greater German Reich



1933 to 1936- President-elect Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated by Giuseppe Zangara on February 15th in Miami, Florida. Zangara is caught and tried for the murders of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Chicago mayer, Anton Cermak. He is executed in just 33 days later, death by the electric chair. On March 4th, Vice-President elect John Garner is inaugurated as President of the United States. Garner opposes the late Roosevelt's New Deal policy and keeps a status-quo approach to the depression. Over the next few years the economy sinks even lower. Unemployment hits an all time high of 37% percent in 1935 and rioting breaks out in many major cities across the country. Garner uses the United States Army to put down many of the riots, causing severe civil disorder. On April 5th, 1936, Garner is able to get Congress to ratify temporary martial law over the entire nation. Military governors are installed in the most troublesome states, including New York, Pennsylvania and California. All civilian courts are suspended until further notice and military tribunals are activated. Congress passes a bill enlarging the military to almost twice its size. The U.S. Army reaches a size of 400,000 men by the summer of 1936, many of them policing the nation. Rioting and looting becomes almost non-existent thanks to military occupation. In October of 1936, martial law is lifted and the elections of 1936 are to be taken place. Garner is renominated by the Democrats , almost by military force. The Republicans nominate Alfred Landon as President and promise to bring the nation back to normal. Their main platform is isolationism and fixing the economy. (1) In November, John Garner and his running mate, Wendell Wilkie lose the election by a landslide. Garner is only able to win four states and loses the popular vote by almost 16 million votes.

1937 to 1940 – The United States is able to improve their economy with many of the principals of the late Franklin Roosevelt. Unemployment drops to 15 percent by 1939 and Landon is considered a hero to the American people. In September 1939, Nazi Germany invades Poland. The United Kingdom and France declare war on Germany, setting off the Second World War. President Landon promises to keep the United States out of European affairs and pushes for even greater isolationism. He vows that the economy is the number one goal for America and interfering in Europe will shatter the economy. In 1940 he wins the Presidential election by over 100 electoral votes, defeating his weak Democratic opponent Henry Wallace. In Europe, Germany defeats Poland, France, Holland, Luxembourg, Norway and Belgium. Germany, Italy and Japan sign the Tripartite Pact in September of 1940. In England, Winston Churchill becomes Prime Minister. From May to October 1940, Germany is able to destroy much of the Royal Air Force, winning the battle of Britain. Denmark hands over Ireland and Greenland to the United States for they do not want the Nazis in control there.

1941 to 1944 – With Germany's air victory against Britain, they begin Operation Sealion, the invasion of the United Kingdom. German air superiority is able to destroy much the Royal Navy, and the invasion begins in June of 1941. Britain fights with fury and protests for American help. President Landon declines and says he believes in strict neutrality. The Battle of London is fought in November of 1941. Erwin Rommel's Panzer divisions break the British defenses of the city and by January of 1942, all resistance ceases in the city. The Royal Family, Winston Churchill and much of the government are able to escape to Canada. A provisional government is set up in Leeds and surrenders in April. By the end of 1943, many of the former British colonies and possessions are annexed into the Reich, including India. South Africa becomes an Aryan dominated union, allied to Germany. In 1944, Germany puts the British Union Fascists incharge of Britain. Northern Ireland is attached to Ireland and becomes an ally with Germany. Canada, Australia and New Zealand make a status-quo peace with the Axis.

In June 1941, Germany attacked the Soviet Union, breaking the non-aggression pact. German troops win the Battle of Moscow and the first Panzer IV enters the Kremlin compound. In January 1942, Stalin is found dead in the city. Leningrad is taken eight months later. German forces are able to defeat the unorganized Russian troops at Stalingrad and in January 1943 they take the city. The Russian government collapses and there is no formal surrender. Millions of civilians are murdered or sent to concentration camps. By the end of 1944 almost 35 million civilians have been killed (2) . The war in Europe ends. In the Pacific, the Dutch East Indies are peacefully handed over to Japan. Queen Wilhelmina does not wish to continue the fight. Japan is able to keep relations open with the United States and does not declare war. The Second World War ends in 1944 with Germany and Japan as the top dogs.

1945 to 1968 – Nazi Germany starts to rebuild Europe. The Greater German Reich annexes all of Poland into Germany itself. Bohemia-Moravia, Alsace-Lorraine, Danzig, Luxembourg and Lithuania are also directly annexed into the Third Reich. Estonia and Latvia are combined to form one country, under German occupation. The Ukraine and Belorussia become colonies of the Reich. France remains occupied and Britain becomes an official member of the Greater German Reich. Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Greece and Norway become members as well. Finland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Portugal, South Africa and Japan all become allies to Germany by 1955.
Greenland and Ireland remain protectorates of the United States. The United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Chili and Brazil create the Organization of Allied Nations or OAN. The United States tries to keep good relations with the Axis. Presidents Dewey and Stevenson keep open ties with all the nations of the Axis. In 1957, Japan annexes all of China after 20 years of fighting.

Germany tests their first nuclear bomb in 1947. Japan in 1953 and the United States 1956. Hermann Goring dies in 1953 in a jet plane accident. Adolf Hitler dies in 1958 of a liver aliment and is replaced by Heinrich Himmler. Italy and Germany commit genocide in the Middle East, killing off more then the 80 percent of the total population. The population of the former Soviet Union drop to 30 million and the German government opens it to colonization. Himmler calls upon the German people that North America has the “Jewish Problem.†The United States does not back down to Germany and declares the Reich to be a nation of racists. Himmler says in a speech to the Reichstag in 1963 that the United States and Canada will one day be liberated from the Jew someday. Mexico allows a German defense force to enter the country. Mexico cited the American people were aggressive and would one day invade again. By 1965 over 175,000 German troops have entered Mexico. President Humphrey (1961-1965) appeases to the German government and lets this defense force enter Mexico. In December of 1968, Germany accuses the United States of violating its airspace over Scotland. President Henry Cabot Lodge (1965-1970) denounces these claims and mobilizes the armed forces. On January 4th, 1969 , Germany (and its allies) and Japan declare war on the United States and the rest of the OAN.

1969 to 1970 –

1969 - The Third World War started out non-nuclear. Japan bombs Hawaii and begins an invasion of the Philippines. The U.S. Pacific Fleet holds its own in the South Pacific and counterattacks near Taiwan. The Luftwaffe begins bombing runs over Alaska and British Columbia, killing thousands. German troops make a thrust up through Texas and New Mexico with over 375,000 troops stationed in Mexico. V-6 rockets bombard American cities on the East Coast, killing tens of thousands. Germany and Japan demand a surrender from the USA, but they refuse. In September, Japan wins at the Battle of the Coral Sea, destroying 6 American aircraft carriers and 3 battleships. Japan then begins an invasion of Australia. The following month, the Philippines and Guam fall to Japan, while Iceland is captured by Germany in the Atlantic. German troops are halted near Lubbock, Texas with tactical nuclear weapons. Germany relates with the nuclear bombing of Boston. A three megaton nuclear bomb hits the city, killing almost everyone in it. On December 7th, 1969, Japan captures Midway and Wake Island. U.S forces in the Pacific fall back to Hawaii, mustering up their defenses. On December 28th, the Aleutian Islands U.S. Marine garrison surrenders after a two month conflict on the islands.

1970 – In March, the new V-7 rocket comes into service. The first one ever is launched from Munich, Germany, heading towards Toronto, Canada. It is armed with a one megaton nuclear warhead. Toronto is destroyed in a massive nuclear fireball and the next day the Canadian government revokes its membership in the OAN and surrenders to Germany.

The United States counterattacks into Mexico and reaches Mexico City in May. The U.S. wins the Battle of Mexico City. Over 300,000 Mexicans die, compared to only 25,000 Americans. In retaliation, Germany nukes Atlanta and Pittsburgh. The United States in return launches its obsolete nuclear missiles towards Mexico and Germany. The missiles heading towards Mexico are successful, killing over 30 million people. However, the missiles going towards Germany are all stopped. In the Pacific, Japan invades Hawaii. Honolulu and Hilo are taken within only a few weeks. In June, Australia and New Zealand surrender to Japan, after Sydney and Auckland fall to Japanese forces.

Germany offers the United States one more time to surrender, however, they due not. Germany launches nuclear missiles towards the continental USA. Washington D.C. , Philadelphia, Hartford, San Francisco, Seattle, Houston, Miami, Detroit, Nashville and Denver vanish from the earth. Germany also targets military installations and outposts, destroying the American power to fight. On August 13th, 1970, the United States of America surrenders to the Greater German Reich, its allies and the Empire of Japan. Heinrich Himmler declares a day of celebration across the Reich and has fighter jets fly over Berlin and New York. The American territories in the Pacific and Hawaii are annexed by Japan. The rest of the United States and Canada become occupied nations, under German rule.
Hundreds of thousands of German troops occupy the United States. New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis and Chicago are targeted first for cleanup of the Jews and Blacks. Millions of people are rounded up and put into ghettos. People rat out their Jewish and Slavic neighbors in return for not being sent to the internment camps. Japanese Americans are deported to Japan, while the American Native American peoples are killed right on the spot. The new American puppet government is set up in Omaha, Nebraska. A new capitol building, occupation headquarters and a palace for the Fuhrer start to get built under German orders. The United States Armed Forces are officially disbanded and the new “Germanic Empire†sets up military bases across the nation. The United States keeps its name and territory, but nothing else. The constitution and all legal documents are now defunct and a new set of laws are written. The Liberty Bell in Philadelphia is found in the rubble of the city and is dug up by American prisoners. It is then flown back to Berlin. Australia and New Zealand are annexed by Japan.

Germany and its allies are now the rulers of the world. A new dark world has been forged from a once democratic and peace loving one.



Appendix A – The Holocaust

The Holocaust is very similar in this timeline, however over 12 million European Jews are killed, instead of 6 million. Over 100 million Russians have also been killed and the Slavic population of Europe is now gone. Many either died or went to work camps in Siberia. The former Soviet Union is now a colony of the Germanic Empire. In the Middle East, the Italian government was forced to commit genocide. Only about ten percent of the of the original population in the middle east is still alive. It is occupied and and exploited by the Germanic Empire and the Italian Empire. Oil is being taken twice as fast then in OTL. In Africa, only around 100 million blacks and Arabs exist. South Africa had a population of 30 million Whites and 1 million Blacks as of 2010. Colonization of the continent began in 1977, after the final purge in Nigeria. In China, the population is only around 475 million people as of 2010. Japan killed much of the population off in the Sino-Japanese War from 1937 to 1957. Mongolia is also under control of Japan, and is used for colonization of the mainland for Japanese citizens. Over 40 million American and Canadian civilians were killed in the Holocaust, either being from Slavic or African origins. As of 2010, the world population is only around 3 and half billion people.


Appendix B- The Third War Causality (dead, no wounded count at this time)

Military Civilian Holocaust Victims
United States 545,000 42,000,000 36,975,000
Germany 475,000 35,000 N/A
Japan 295,000 160,000 N/A
Canada 140,000 3,750,000 5,450,000
Axis Allies 475,000 35,500,000 N/A
OAN 1,175,000 18,000,000 25,000,000
Total 3,680,000 99,445,000 67,425,000

*Note – Under the Axis killed list, many of those are the Mexican population, as they were decimated by American nuclear weapons near the end of the war.

Appendix C – List of Presidents of the United States of America

John Garner 1933-1937 Democrat
Alfred Landon 1937-1945 Republican
Thomas Dewey 1945-1949 Republican
Adlai Stevenson 1949-1957 Democrat
Harry Byrd 1957-1961 Republican
Hubert Humphrey 1961-1965 Democrat
Henry Lodge 1965-1970 Republican
 
"By the end of 1943, many of the former British colonies and possessions are annexed into the Reich, including India. South Africa becomes an Aryan dominated union, allied to Germany. In 1944, Germany puts the British Union Fascists incharge of Britain. Northern Ireland is attached to Ireland and becomes an ally with Germany. Canada, Australia and New Zealand make a status-quo peace with the Axis."

Are we suppose to begin laughing about the impossibility of this AH before or after this point.
 
Germany invades Britain in June 1941 AND invades Russia the same time? NO!
Interesting stuff about Garner and the USA, though.
 
Interesting, FederationX, but let me make some comments, please.

FederationX said:
From May to October 1940, Germany is able to destroy much of the Royal Air Force, winning the battle of Britain. Denmark hands over Ireland and Greenland to the United States for they do not want the Nazis in control there.

If that happens, there would be no need to release Seelöwe, because the UK would be undefended and Churchill would be replaced by Halifax.

FederationX said:
German air superiority is able to destroy much the Royal Navy, and the invasion begins in June of 1941.

That's is a mistake. You're giving too much time to the British to prepare. BTW, if the RAF is not destroyed around September 1940, Hitler would postpone it ad eternum. Hitler had Barbarrossa in mind.

FederationX said:
By the end of 1943, many of the former British colonies and possessions are annexed into the Reich, including India. South Africa becomes an Aryan dominated union, allied to Germany.

Not possible. The Empire would go on fighthing.

FederationX said:
In 1944, Germany puts the British Union Fascists incharge of Britain.

They would be hated as Quisling was hated in Norway.

FederationX said:
In June 1941, Germany attacked the Soviet Union, breaking the non-aggression pact.

Germany didn't have the sources to wage a two front war.

FederationX said:
Adolf Hitler dies in 1958 of a liver aliment and is replaced by Heinrich Himmler.

Terrifying idea.

FederationX said:
By 1965 over 175,000 German troops have entered Mexico.

That sounds like the Cuba crisis. I don't think that the USA would allow this to happen.
 
David S Poepoe said:
"By the end of 1943, many of the former British colonies and possessions are annexed into the Reich, including India. South Africa becomes an Aryan dominated union, allied to Germany. In 1944, Germany puts the British Union Fascists incharge of Britain. Northern Ireland is attached to Ireland and becomes an ally with Germany. Canada, Australia and New Zealand make a status-quo peace with the Axis."

Are we suppose to begin laughing about the impossibility of this AH before or after this point.

I agree with you David, 100 percent. I never said it was realistic. However, in the novel, the Union of South of Africa is an ally of Germany. Remember, I'm writing off something in a turtledove timeline. I never said I thought it could or would happen. Some of the details I use are from the novel, so I don't want to change them. India is a colony of the Reich, as written in the novel and I'd assume if a peace wasn't made with Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the United States would finally enter the war.
 
Kurt_Steiner said:
Interesting, FederationX, but let me make some comments, please.



If that happens, there would be no need to release Seelöwe, because the UK would be undefended and Churchill would be replaced by Halifax.



That's is a mistake. You're giving too much time to the British to prepare. BTW, if the RAF is not destroyed around September 1940, Hitler would postpone it ad eternum. Hitler had Barbarrossa in mind.



Not possible. The Empire would go on fighthing.



They would be hated as Quisling was hated in Norway.



Germany didn't have the sources to wage a two front war.



Terrifying idea.



That sounds like the Cuba crisis. I don't think that the USA would allow this to happen.

1. Your right, still working on it. Note-Boook mentions Churchill has PM for the entire war.

2.Same as above, however, I'm trying to get Russia and Britain taken out of the war before the United States does something. I feel a prolonged war in Europe will cause American intervention.

3.Your right, that will get changed as well. However, the United Kingdom and its colonies are powerless. India revolting seems like a possibility.

4.That may be true, but the book mentions that BUF has controlled the nation for a very long time. They also mention in the 1970s that Britain revolted and was crushed by the German military. They may not like it, but BUF rule is protected by the Reich.

5.I agree, what I wrote is horseshit for the time being. I'm trying to make my timeline based off the novel as much as I can, so I have to follow Turtledoves plans.

6. It's said in the novel that Henirich Himmler leads the party until 1985, so I thought this would be a good time to put him in power.

7.That may be true, but they get their assed whooped in World War 3, so something like this is bound to happen.

To everyone, please I'm using specific details about the war from the book. The stuff about Britain and Russia will be fixed, but some of the things said are somewhat hard to avoid. What is this all crap? For people who have read it, what do you think? If you haven't its harder to swallow the details, I know. I don't agree with everything I wrote but my goal is for it coexist with the book. MAybe I'll right my own version, without some of the stupid WW2 details Turtledove gives us.
 
robertp6165 said:
Entertaining rather than interesting. Roosevelt's New Deal actually prolonged the Depression.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim1.html

So if Roosevelt is assassinated as per the timeline, the Depression ends within a year or two at most. Garner is not forced to declare martial law and none of that other stuff predicated on this POD happens.

You do realize that this isn't an empiricial fact and only a theory from rightwingers?

I hate when people come dragging with their divine, flawless, obscure facts backed up by some even more obscure web-page and denouncing established theories with total confidence that this 'fact' is 100% right and everyone else is WRONG.
 
Dare I say the S word, but how does Germany pull off Sealion? There must be some major PODs in the offering, but I don't see where these are. The only outcome I see for Sealion is a lot of German dead at the white cliffs of Dover.
 
DMA said:
Dare I say the S word, but how does Germany pull off Sealion? There must be some major PODs in the offering, but I don't see where these are. The only outcome I see for Sealion is a lot of German dead at the white cliffs of Dover.

Sealion could never happen. However, it happend in the novel so I have to stick with it.
 
This sounds an awful lot like that novel 'Fatherland' (I forget the author - dammit!). Germany becomes 'Germania' and stretches from Spain/Portugal in the West to the Urals in the East; presumably also North Africa. The holocaust is so successful that everyone thinks the Jews have all been resettled in the east - although everyone is too afraid that the truth might be different to investigate. SS become a 'kinder gentler' version of their former self - sort of a super state police. Germania is trying to court America to obtain a detente - type arrangment, apparently there are still border skirmishes w/rump Russia.

Would it be fair to say that Turtledove is running out of steam? One last note: he doesn't seem to understand why the dominions declared war on Nazi Germany - namely, for the defence of King and Country (home islands). I don't see them making peace very easily - a de facto state of war would probably continue for some years afterwards. Lots of brits would probably (try to) flee to Canada, including Churchill and the Royals - maybe remnants of the Royal Fleet. Even w/out Roosevelt, wouldn't US still end up involved - or does Japan not attack US so no mutual German declaration of war? (I haven't read this novel so I don't know)
 
FederationX said:
Sealion could never happen. However, it happend in the novel so I have to stick with it.


Why do you have to stick with it if you yourself disagree with it? Modify the story or, better yet, come up with an explaination why Sealion succeeded.
 
unsunghero said:
This sounds an awful lot like that novel 'Fatherland' (I forget the author - dammit!). Germany becomes 'Germania' and stretches from Spain/Portugal in the West to the Urals in the East; presumably also North Africa. The holocaust is so successful that everyone thinks the Jews have all been resettled in the east - although everyone is too afraid that the truth might be different to investigate. SS become a 'kinder gentler' version of their former self - sort of a super state police. Germania is trying to court America to obtain a detente - type arrangment, apparently there are still border skirmishes w/rump Russia.

Would it be fair to say that Turtledove is running out of steam? One last note: he doesn't seem to understand why the dominions declared war on Nazi Germany - namely, for the defence of King and Country (home islands). I don't see them making peace very easily - a de facto state of war would probably continue for some years afterwards. Lots of brits would probably (try to) flee to Canada, including Churchill and the Royals - maybe remnants of the Royal Fleet. Even w/out Roosevelt, wouldn't US still end up involved - or does Japan not attack US so no mutual German declaration of war? (I haven't read this novel so I don't know)

Ummm... this is a timeline that is supposed to lead up to the events of In the Presence of Mine Enemies written by Turtledove. I do not believe any of this really could happen. I'm writing this just to explain how Germany could have won in his timeline. In the book, the United States stays out of the war for whatever reason. Sealion somehow works and it mentions Churchill used everything he had to keep the Werchment out of London, but it fails. Most of the British Emire is annexed by Germany or Japan. A notable exception is South Africa, whuch becomes an ally of the Greater German Reich, or Germanic Empire. Around 1970, the United States loses the Third World War against Germany and Japan. It is occupied, along with Canada. So I'm just feeling in the details. Plausibilty is not the goal, its meant to be entertaining and to fill in the gap for the novel. I can't believe in 10 million years that this could happend but I want write a timeline for the novel.

The author of Fatherland is Robert Harris. :)
 
DMA said:
Why do you have to stick with it if you yourself disagree with it? Modify the story or, better yet, come up with an explaination why Sealion succeeded.

Becuase I'm trying to stick with the actual story. However, I will make changes to it so it sounds better. This is based off Turtldeove novel: Nothing makes since sometimes. ;)
 
FederationX said:
Becuase I'm trying to stick with the actual story. However, I will make changes to it so it sounds better. This is based off Turtldeove novel: Nothing makes since sometimes. ;)


Turtledove? He's hopeless. I can't believe what he writes & gets away with. Here's hoping your novel is successful & everyone forgets anything Turtledove ever wrote
 

Valamyr

Banned
Fatherland was quite more realistic for a Nazi victory scenario. It never suggested Germany pulling off a successful Sealion; merely a much more successful naval blockade of England with submarines, which was the only thing that managed to worry Churchill in OTL. Coupled with victory in the Caucasus and no american presence in Europe, this built a reasonable German victory scenario.

The numbers he gave for the continued war in the east were rather surreal though; nobody can stand a war of that intensity for 20 years on end. But it added to the atmosphere. I like how he pictured his neo-pagan, gothic Germania also.
 
Valamyr said:
Fatherland was quite more realistic for a Nazi victory scenario. It never suggested Germany pulling off a successful Sealion; merely a much more successful naval blockade of England with submarines, which was the only thing that managed to worry Churchill in OTL. Coupled with victory in the Caucasus and no american presence in Europe, this built a reasonable German victory scenario.

The numbers he gave for the continued war in the east were rather surreal though; nobody can stand a war of that intensity for 20 years on end. But it added to the atmosphere. I like how he pictured his neo-pagan, gothic Germania also.

Yeah Fatherland was a good book.
 
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