Why did the United States have a love-hate relationship with the KMT and how could it have been repaired to prevent the rise of the PRC?

Would have been interesting if any former warlords could have replaced Chiang. The Young Marshal Zhang Xueliang was placed under house arrest after the Xi'an incident for the duration of the war, but what if he was somehow freed? I wonder if there were any former Fengtian clique troops or commanders who would've still remained loyal to him. Also, Feng Yuxiang was on good terms with Stilwell, and was still around until the mysterious ship fire claimed him in 1948.
 
Given how corrupt South Korea (when you need the military to clear out corruption, you're fucked) was, Taiwan seemed pretty damn stable
 
(when you need the military to clear out corruption, you're fucked)
It's not good, but there's at least the implication that the military isn't corrupt. You're really fucked when you get into a South Vietnam style death spiral where every part of the government, especially the military, is corrupt to the point where it hardly functions.
 
It's not good, but there's at least the implication that the military isn't corrupt. You're really fucked when you get into a South Vietnam style death spiral where every part of the government, especially the military, is corrupt to the point where it hardly functions.
As they say, corruption with the government and foreigners in China made the communists look like saviors. The same happened in Vietnam.
 
What is says on the tin.

What caused this rift between Truman and Chiang?

How could the U.S. and the KMT reset relations so that the ROC would not lose control of the mainland?

(1) The US gave Chiang plenty of aid. (2) The idea that he would have won a great victory in Manchuria in 1946 if not for Marshall holding him back is a myth. (3) The effects of the eight-month arm embargo have been much exaggerated. I elaborate on all these points at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...n-the-chinese-civil-war.493935/#post-20884956
 
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As they say, corruption with the government and foreigners in China made the communists look like saviors. The same happened in Vietnam.
Eh debatable how much they came to view the Communists as "saviours" as opposed to simply no longer supporting the anti-communists and really just wanting the war to finally end. IIRC there was late war polling in one of South Vietnam's provinces (An Giang?) that indicated majority opposition to the southern government and communists alike.
 
Eh debatable how much they came to view the Communists as "saviours" as opposed to simply no longer supporting the anti-communists and really just wanting the war to finally end. IIRC there was late war polling in one of South Vietnam's provinces (An Giang?) that indicated majority opposition to the southern government and communists alike.
To the local Chinese farmer suffering from KMT corruption and incompetence along with the fear of foreigners going back to China, the fact the communists are fighting both would appear that the CCP is more concerned of the locals rather than KMT. Of course, how wrong they were...

Post-war China was a very complex problem.
 
claimed to be debunked, but not proven by any cites that others could check on

EDIT: and anyone wanting to believe Porter's take on Land Reform, should read this
Your source quoted:
1) “Chi Thi Cua Bo Chinh Tri Ve May Van De Dac Biet Trong Phat Dong Quan Chung” (Political Bureau’s Decree on Special Issues in Mobilizing the Masses),
May 4, 1953. Van Kien Dang Toan Tap v. 14 (2001), 201-206
(which was distorted from the original source)
The counter-claimed used the original Vietnamese document: http://tulieuvankien.dangcongsan.vn/Uploads/2019/3/5/21/VK Dang TT - Tap 14.pdf (this is published by the Vietnamese government,btw)
If you can read Vietnamese, you can read that there was no mention of an execution quota in the pdf. In addition, an email exchange hardly qualifies as a good source. Who the hell is Vu Tuong and why is he credible?
 

marathag

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Your source quoted:
1) “Chi Thi Cua Bo Chinh Tri Ve May Van De Dac Biet Trong Phat Dong Quan Chung” (Political Bureau’s Decree on Special Issues in Mobilizing the Masses),
May 4, 1953. Van Kien Dang Toan Tap v. 14 (2001), 201-206
(which was distorted from the original source)
The counter-claimed used the original Vietnamese document: http://tulieuvankien.dangcongsan.vn/Uploads/2019/3/5/21/VK Dang TT - Tap 14.pdf (this is published by the Vietnamese government,btw)
If you can read Vietnamese, you can read that there was no mention of an execution quota in the pdf. In addition, an email exchange hardly qualifies as a good source. Who the hell is Vu Tuong and why is he credible?
Using Porter on Vietnam is like using David Irving on Germany in WWII.
 
All that ComradeH said is that he couldn't find it in the sources he was looking at. Which means little as there are many sources. Even if it happened there is nothing to say it had to be found in the sources he checked. He didn't say "he found evidence of North Vietnamese officials dismissing any notion of quotas" just that he didn't personally find them in the sources he was looking at. You could say it made it less likely (assuming the sources talked about Vietnamese criminal justice at all) but it doesn't debunk it.
 

marathag

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Who are you talking two? No one in this thread has quoted Gareth Porter except you.
per the old thread you referenced. But my point stands. Porter was a Communist apologist of the worst sort, even to the point of saying the Khmer Rouge didn't do that obvious Genocide of theirs, that made the Hue massacre a mere blip
You can't use a man like that for his conclusions, that included his translations of the North's Communist Party documents
 
per the old thread you referenced. But my point stands. Porter was a Communist apologist of the worst sort, even to the point of saying the Khmer Rouge didn't do that obvious Genocide of theirs, that made the Hue massacre a mere blip
You can't use a man like that for his conclusions, that included his translations of the North's Communist Party documents
I didn't rely on Porter's translation for I have translated the Vietnamese documents by myself.
 
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