Why did Portugal accept the revisions to Alcáçovas in the Papal Bull of Inter Caetera and Tordesillas Treaty?

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Why did Portugal accept the revision of the favorable Treaty of Alcáçovas of 1479, which granted them an exclusive right to maritime global trade and conquest south of the Tropic of Cancer (and then some), and Castille getting the rights to the north,
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[see map above], in favor of first, the Papal Bull of Inter Caetera in 1493 which granted Portugal exclusive right to maritime global trade and conquest *east* of a line in the Atlantic, with Castille getting rights to the west, and then the slightly revised Treaty of Tordesillas, which pushed the east-west dividing line several hundred leagues further west in favor of Portugal?
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A predictable argument in favor of changing to the Inter Caetera Line of Demarcation (1493) and Tordesillas (1494) is that the Portuguese were most invested in the eastbound route around the African Cape and already calculated this would be the shortest, most reliable way to India and the Far East based on their superior geographic calculations.

But greater faith and investment in the Cape is not a point in favor of the later treaties or a tie-breaker, it is a neutral factor between those treaties and Alcáçovas.

That is because the Cape route wasn’t just an eastbound route, it was also a southbound route, and under Alcáçovas, Portugal monopolized southbound sailing routes. So Alcáçovas, was just as good as later treaties, in that aspect.

People often like to attribute hidden, secret discoveries to the Portuguese, having them be more familiar with some of the outlines of the Americas even before the voyage of Columbus, and may propose again that they didn’t think whatever land they might have seen to the west was worth anything compared to what they knew to be in the east.

I would advise being careful with any such non-falsifiable arguments that defy Occam’s razor. Even taking them as true, they would make the decision to accept an east-west substitute for the north-south Alcáçovas, line even less logical.

Alcáçovas, as I said, already guaranteed the Cape route to Portugal, and thus Far Eastern trade in that direction. Mapping errors of the time typically misplaced Japan south of the Alcacovas line as well, and overestimated how much of China was south of it and how big Southeast Asia was. So, no urgency to change it. If Portugal also knows there is previously unknown land to the west, why concede it all to Castille, why not retain Portugal’s claim to the whole portion south of the Alcacovas line? Portugal, in Madeira and Azores, had shown just as much knowledge and enterprise in Castille in making plantations out of new Atlantic islands as Castille had in the Canaries.

So the *less* they know about land existing in the west where re-victualing or any form of development or use, no matter how minimal, the less illogical, Portuguese concessions are.

The only thing Portugal "gained" by 'flipping' from a north-south dividing line to an east-west dividing line was a monopoly on exploiting any potential *northeast* passage past Russia to the Tartary and the Far East. Under Alcáçovas, that would have have gone to Castille, under Inter Caetera and Tordesillas, it would go to Portugal.

However, I've never heard of either Iberian power thinking of exploiting the northeast passage or even setting up a Muscovy Company like Elizabethan England. Portugal and Castille were both poorly positioned to exploit any trade routes in that direction. The Kalmar Union, Muscovy, PLC, Hanseatic League, England, and Scotland, would have been far better positioned. In any case, that road always led to ice.

So the competing explanations I have for Portugal accepting the change are:

A) Wanting to secure the option of the northeast passage
B) Fear of losing or incurring costs of a confrontation with Castille that could come from vindicating claims to the southern part of the Western Hemisphere, because Columbus's journey revealed he had been there as a fait accompli.
C) Fear that Alcáçovas, was not a secure settlement that Castille would respect, anywhere in the western and eastern hemisphere, so Portugal had to try its luck with a new diplomatic settlement that would hopefully last longer
D) Fear of spiritual consequences - deference to the Pope - The Pope makes a Bull, hands down a decision, you don't refuse it
E) If you believe the Portuguese had reached North America before Columbus, fear that one of their own people would rat out their own voyages *north* of the Alcáçovas line which would have been in violation of that earlier treaty. Superseding the old treaty allows a new beginning and "no harm, no foul" about past violations.

When Columbus returned from his first Caribbean voyage, he stopped in Portuguese territory, twice, in the Azores and Lisboa, before he set foot again in Spain. He even met with the King of Portugal and bragged about his discoveries, trying to rub it in for the King not supporting him before. The Portuguese King was pissed off and was quizzing Columbus accusing him, correctly, of exploring and claiming lands too far south for Spain according to the Treaty of Alcáçovas.

The Portuguese King was pissed off, but not enough to arrest and charge Columbus for trespassing and claiming rightfully Portuguese lands in violation of the Treaty of Alcáçovas, jailing him, confiscating the Ninya, and sending out a better prepared expedition of his own in 1493. But he threatened to do it.

Between Columbus's bragging and mentions of gold, the trespassing, one could imagine the King thinking there's possibilities out west in addition to India that Portugal should follow up on, and that it would be *perfectly legal* for Portugal to claim its share of everything out west south of about 25 degrees north or the tropic of Cancer.

The King of Portugal was acting secure in his rights to Alcáçovas and fearless in his ability to enforce them.

Had he truly been fearless in the face of Spain, and the Pope, King John of Portugal would have monopolized oceanic commerce east *and* west at its early stages. The profits for Portugal would have been greater than OTL, the Indies *and* the rich part of the Americas would have fueled the Portuguese first, the Spanish would have just had to build a mega-Florida and fruitlessly search for the northwest passage. Even allowing small concessions for Spanish navigation like the tip of Florida, the Spanish would find it hard to get past geographic obstacles to the northern parts of the Far East.

Again, it would be *perfectly legal* and the Portuguese King would know about what is going on before the Spanish King and Queen do. If Portugal pressed such claims it would be the first to Cuba, the first to reach Panama, the first to trade with the Aztecs and with the Inca. The Spanish would be left with what is in Florida onward to the north.

...grande oportunidade perdida...

But alas for Portugal, King John was bluffing. What if he weren't?
 
The problem was that the Castillians were trying their hardest to fuck over Portugal. The papal bull was sent out, guess what, without even defering to Portugal once. Isabella and Fernando were busy at war with France at this time, but they were already publicly envious of the reaches Portugal was gaining in Africa. They would have insisted and insisted for rights to colonize in the territorries Columbus reached. What I can see happening is King John being much more firm and tricksy, by bluffing intervening in the war in favour of France. That would make the Castillians much more willing and the Portuguese could have gotten the demarcation line much farther to the west.
 
With the papacy so blatantly on the side of the Castlians there really wasn't much of a choice. In early modern Europe the church decided what was "perfectly legal", so Portugal really had to play ball in order to retain its "divine right" to exclusivity over Indian trade. John II was definitely not weak when it came to diplomacy, but he wasn't suicidal either and for better of for worse defiance of the church at the time was defiance of international law
 

raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
The problem was that the Castillians were trying their hardest to fuck over Portugal. The papal bull was sent out, guess what, without even defering to Portugal once. Isabella and Fernando were busy at war with France at this time, but they were already publicly envious of the reaches Portugal was gaining in Africa. They would have insisted and insisted for rights to colonize in the territorries Columbus reached. What I can see happening is King John being much more firm and tricksy, by bluffing intervening in the war in favour of France. That would make the Castillians much more willing and the Portuguese could have gotten the demarcation line much farther to the west.

Your suggestion about harder bargaining is quite intriguing for what-if purposes. Actually, Spain was not at war with France until 1494. I wonder if that has something to do with the terms improving for Portugal between the 1493 Line of Demarcation and Tordesillas in OTL's history.

In any case, if King John was firmer, bluffed, huffed, and puffed more, made a show of preparing a fleet for the west, and then threatened to side with France, maybe he could have gotten a better deal for himself.

Could he have won one of these further western lines I illustrate here, or perhaps a preservation of the east-west line of the old treaty, just moved to the south, to accommodate what Columbus discovered on his first voyage? (his first voyage found the Bahamas, Hispaniola, and Cuba, but not Puerto Rico or any of the other Antilles or any of the mainlands)
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So the competing explanations I have for Portugal accepting the change are:

A) Wanting to secure the option of the northeast passage
B) Fear of losing or incurring costs of a confrontation with Castille that could come from vindicating claims to the southern part of the Western Hemisphere, because Columbus's journey revealed he had been there as a fait accompli.
C) Fear that Alcáçovas, was not a secure settlement that Castille would respect, anywhere in the western and eastern hemisphere, so Portugal had to try its luck with a new diplomatic settlement that would hopefully last longer
D) Fear of spiritual consequences - deference to the Pope - The Pope makes a Bull, hands down a decision, you don't refuse it
E) If you believe the Portuguese had reached North America before Columbus, fear that one of their own people would rat out their own voyages *north* of the Alcáçovas line which would have been in violation of that earlier treaty. Superseding the old treaty allows a new beginning and "no harm, no foul" about past violations.

Nothing from the reign of John II seems to indicate any interest in a northeast passage, the main period of interest in the north Atlantic, which even then was very limited in scope, was under King Manuel in Newfoundland, the focus was completely on the South Atlantic.

There seems to have been no actual fear of a new conflict from the part of Lisbon, indeed King John's first reaction at the first voyage of Columbus was to order the preparation of a war fleet and to send messages to threaten Castile that they were in violation of the previous treaties, the main goal of this seems to have been to secure as quickly as possible a strong hand in the negotiations, which both sides knew it would happen as Castile was just leaving the very expensive Granada War, and Portugal was preparing for the first armada that would go to India (a very lengthy endeavour). No treaty was ever set in stone, and both sides knew that after Tordesillas there was the Treaty of Zaragoza to settle another dispute in the divisions, and Tordesillas also allowed both sides to negotiate issues that had been raised in the years since Alcáçovas, namely fishing and raiding rights.

The main points of the treaty of Alcáçovas were never even up to negotiation, that was that Morocco feel under Portugal's rights of conquest, that Spain would limit its influence in Africa to the Canary Islands and to Northern Africa East of Morroco, Portugal's recognised Hegemony in Morocco and in the South Atlantic was never disputed by Castile, had the Catholic Kings tried to dispute it then is when there would be an actual risk of war.

The Treaty of Tordesillas if anything is a rebuke to the Pope and his position, the negotiations had little input from Rome and specifically refuted the Dudum siquidem and the Inter caetera bulls, no papal envoys were involved in the negotiations and the Papacy never recognised the treaty under the Papacy of Alexander VI, it was Pope Julius II that recognised the agreement at Tordesillas, so not only did Portugal refuse the Papal Bull, but Castile also did, and it wasn't the first time the Iberian Powers had done so, Alcáçovas' recognition of the Portuguese Mare Claustrum in the South Atlantic had, in part, been a rebuke to Papal attempts to involve itself in missionary efforts in Africa, Lisbon's policy was always to keep the Pope and the Papacy as far away as possible from Atlantic affairs as possible. Furthermore the Treaty itself stated that both sides had to uphold to the treaty even if the Pope awarded one of them a papal dispensation from the Treaty, so neither side was much interested in what the Pope had to say on the matter.

Both sides had subjects constantly violating the deal, rights of fishery were a sore spot between the two sides specially because of constant violations, so I don't think this applies.

On the why Portugal accepted the Treaty, it's because it protected all of the Kingdom's interests at the time, the Mare Claustrum on the South Atlantic was once again recognised by Castile, rights of conquest over Morocco were also upheld, Castile continued to recognise Africa south of the Bojador as outsider their area of action. From the POV of Lisbon at the time of signing all main points of contention were won by them, Castile had once again recognised that they were to not involve themselves in the naval path to India via Africa, that by the time of the Treaty Portugal was certain it was not only possible but just a couple of years down the line, the rich gold trade from Mina was protected, the slave trade in Africa stayed a Portuguese monopoly, same for the pepper trade from the Grain Coast, and the best part, as both sides saw it, is that the demarcation expedition never happened, as you can see on the picture between 1495 to 1545 alone there were 5 different interpretation proposals of the divisionary line, both sides constantly abused the interpretation of the demarcation for their purposes, in the end, the treaty was just useful for both sides, each acknowledged the others areas of interests while allowing each other to interpret where the demarcation was to happen so that both could abuse it to further their interests in case something important were to be found in, what was thought at the time, were these islands in the western atlantic.

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raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
Nothing from the reign of John II seems to indicate any interest in a northeast passage
Yeah, I really, really, didn't think so, but it was the only *gain* suggested by the maps I was working with, so I had to list it. So not (A).

There seems to have been no actual fear of a new conflict from the part of Lisbon
Okay, so not (B)

The main points of the treaty of Alcáçovas were never even up to negotiation, that was that Morocco feel under Portugal's rights of conquest, that Spain would limit its influence in Africa to the Canary Islands and to Northern Africa East of Morroco, Portugal's recognised Hegemony in Morocco and in the South Atlantic was never disputed by Castile, had the Catholic Kings tried to dispute it then is when there would be an actual risk of war.

My argument, based on the first map posted, is that a point of the treaty of Alcáçovas was revised.

Do you think this map I cited and the website it comes from misinterprets or over interprets the globe-spanning implications of Alcáçovas?

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from: https://www.lifeder.com/tratado-alcacovas/

The Treaty of Tordesillas if anything is a rebuke to the Pope and his position,
Okay so not (D)
and the best part, as both sides saw it, is that the demarcation expedition never happened,
I don't know what you mean here. So I am going to have to make a guess. Do you mean a joint Portuguese-Castilian expedition to find the latitude demarcation under Alcáçovas and note the specific land features or sea states that might intersect with it across the globe (basically a joint circumnavigation). Maybe this would have been necessary if they wanted to keep a demarcation line by latitude instead of picking one by meridian, and it would have been very expensive and risky for everyone?

as you can see on the picture between 1495 to 1545 alone there were 5 different interpretation proposals of the divisionary line
That is one technical disadvantage of a meridian or longitude as a dividing line, compared with a latitude. Sailors in the 1490s already knew how to determine their latitude. They would not know how to accurately calculate their longitude for another 300 years! So in addition to "convenient" interpretations there could be plenty of honest mistakes about the demarcation.
 
My argument, based on the first map posted, is that a point of the treaty of Alcáçovas was revised.

Do you think this map I cited and the website it comes from misinterprets or over interprets the globe-spanning implications of Alcáçovas?

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from: https://www.lifeder.com/tratado-alcacovas/

It misinterprets the negotiations IMHO, because we nowadays know the Americas exist we look at that map and think that Tordesillas was a ripoff, Portugal lost a lot of lands but the Treaty of Alcáçovas was meant only for Morocco, Guinea, Gold Coast, Cabo Verde, Madeira, Açores and "and the lands and islands to find until the Indies" and to settle the matter of the Canary Islands that had threatened to blow up in open war several times in the past because of the actions of Prince Henrique the Navigator, the main goal of that part of the treaty of Alcáçovas was to settle those disputes, the Castilian claim to the Canary Island (that was based on some very weird legalism that as the heirs of the Visigothic Kings they belong to them because the Visigoths had in their eyes ruled the islands) was acknowledged and in exchange Castile recognised that the lands and the ocean to the south of them were a Portuguese Mare Claustrum, and Portugal got the rights of conquest for Morocco while Castile got the rights of conquest for Granada.
I don't know what you mean here. So I am going to have to make a guess. Do you mean a joint Portuguese-Castilian expedition to find the latitude demarcation under Alcáçovas and note the specific land features or sea states that might intersect with it across the globe (basically a joint circumnavigation). Maybe this would have been necessary if they wanted to keep a demarcation line by latitude instead of picking one by meridian, and it would have been very expensive and risky for everyone?

That is one technical disadvantage of a meridian or longitude as a dividing line, compared with a latitude. Sailors in the 1490s already knew how to determine their latitude. They would not know how to accurately calculate their longitude for another 300 years! So in addition to "convenient" interpretations there could be plenty of honest mistakes about the demarcation.

Per the treaty, there was supposed to have been a joint expedition that would leave from the Cabo Verde islands to where they had placed the demarcation line, but that expedition never happened, neither side had a vested interest in the expedition to find where the demarcation line was supposed to be, this is quite an amusing bit the two sides decided on a demarcation line in which they had no idea where it was actually supposed to be, which ended up with both sides having different views on where it should actually be placed. Nowadays mapmakers know precisely where it should be placed so it seems like a ripoff but when the treaty was signed neither side knew what was actually there, with some theories stating that John II had some ideas that there might be some islands to the west, and this issue of where the line was actually supposed to be was never resolved, to give an idea they were still trying to take advantage of there being no clear division until the late 17th century.


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raharris1973

Gone Fishin'
It misinterprets the negotiations IMHO, because we nowadays know the Americas exist we look at that map and think that Tordesillas was a ripoff, Portugal lost a lot of lands

Maybe it's helpful to try to simulate their perspective and to remove the false certainty of modern global maps, and include only those shores that the Portuguese would have seen from their own mariners' first hand observations or from oral or written and translated accounts from foreign mariners who made voyages to the specific shores themselves by both 1479 and 1493:

1479
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1493
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The second map accounts for awareness gained from the letters of the eastern travels of Pero de Covilha, Bartolomeo Dias rounding of the Cape of Africa, and the Columbus voyage to the Caribbean.

None of this is to say they did not know that China, Japan, Southeast Asia, and Indonesia/the Spice Islands existed - they certainly did, but they knew of them, and drew maps of them at this time, only through third-hand and fourth-hand sources, not with high confidence and accuracy about distances and shapes.
 
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