Why did Napoleon attack Moscow?

Oftentimes in "What if?" discussions about the Germans taking Moscow in 1941 I see people claiming that "the Soviet Union would certainly fall, because the city was much more important then in 1812". Which makes me wonder: If Moscow was so unimportant in 1812, why did Napoleon go for it?
Why not attack Sankt Petersburg? It was the capital city, it was closer, and an army there could be resupplied by se ovet the Baltic.
What made Napoleon choose Moscow as the primary target, instead of one that was more accessible and perhaps more valuable too?
 
Oftentimes in "What if?" discussions about the Germans taking Moscow in 1941 I see people claiming that "the Soviet Union would certainly fall, because the city was much more important then in 1812". Which makes me wonder: If Moscow was so unimportant in 1812, why did Napoleon go for it?
Why not attack Sankt Petersburg? It was the capital city, it was closer, and an army there could be resupplied by se ovet the Baltic.
What made Napoleon choose Moscow as the primary target, instead of one that was more accessible and perhaps more valuable too?

The Grand Armee could not be supplied by sea, as the RN (in the person of Admiral Saumarez) controlled the Baltic.

And if Boney marched on SP, he would have his Prussian "allies" directly across his lines of communication - and he couldn't trust them an inch.
 
The Grand Armee could not be supplied by sea, as the RN (in the person of Admiral Saumarez) controlled the Baltic.
I understand that the French Navy was greatly outnumbered at that time by the British, but coulden't they try to block the foe at some chokepoint like the Belt straits in Denmark?

And if Boney marched on SP, he would have his Prussian "allies" directly across his lines of communication - and he couldn't trust them an inch.
So he decided that marching his whole army straight into the wastness of Russia was the smarter ting to do?! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: WTF!
 
So the troops could neither be supplied in Moscow, nor in St. Petersburg.

And if Boney marched on SP, he would have his Prussian "allies" directly across his lines of communication - and he couldn't trust them an inch.

And the same is true if he marches for Moscow.
 

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I understand that the French Navy was greatly outnumbered at that time by the British, but coulden't they try to block the foe at some chokepoint like the Belt straits in Denmark?

Highly doubtful. After all, nobody beats the Royal Navy in the Age of Sail.

Nobody.
 
Highly doubtful. After all, nobody beats the Royal Navy in the Age of Sail.

Nobody.

Err...Sorry? Royal Navy was defeated many times by French Navy (that was considered to be one of the greatest since the XVII) or by others.

Of course, the French Revolution seriously challenged the quality of French Navy as the officers were or royalist or suspected to be such, and revolutionnaries governments focused a lot more on land forces (for good reasons, such as land invasion).

Napoleonic navy was a lot more better then republican one, but admittedly didn't reached the british level or the pre-revolution french level.

But British Navy was hardly undefeated between the 16th and 19th centuries.
 
And the same is true if he marches for Moscow.

But at least that way he has the Duchy of Warsaw to fall back on.

I agree, though, that even so it was still cracked. Basically, too many victories had gone to his head, and he couldn't live with any ruler (not even the Tsar) who wouldn't kiss his ***. This had a predictable result.
 
But since Trafalgar the French Navy hadn't presented too much of a problem.

1812 is hardly all the "Age of Sail", though. But I agree, Trafalgar (and the whole naval operation before that) was fucked up from the beggining.

Napoléon always did a bad use of a navy that he tried to build back anyway.
 
But since Trafalgar the French Navy hadn't presented too much of a problem.
That's why I spoke of the French choosing a more manageable goal, like securing the Baltic. Even the Nazis were able to do that.

But at least that way he has the Duchy of Warsaw to fall back on.
If you look at a map of Napoleonic Europe, you can see that the French could have marched from Mariampol (in the Duchy of Warsaw) to Skt. Petersburg in a pretty much straight line. The only problem is that Prussia stands between the Duchy of Warsaw and France, but that is valid for any invasion of Russia, with any goal.
 
I don't think Boney had quite as much air power as the Luftwaffe.
No, but ships were somewhat cheaper back then. He could build a few ships and a few floating batteries and park them in the Belt straits, where the British can not use their full numerical superiority. And he could build some coastal batteries there too.
 
No, but ships were somewhat cheaper back then. He could build a few ships and a few floating batteries and park them in the Belt straits, where the British can not use their full numerical superiority. And he could build some coastal batteries there too.

The main issue is that every french harbour worth of mention of ship-building was on atlantic coast. Napoléon would have to use a baltic town in existance (aka in occupied land or on an allied city) and it would have posed certain issues.
 
Because he was an arrogant racist who burbled pre-Hitler "rotten barn/one kick" shtick.

Where did you ever hear that? I was always given to understand that it was Boney's hunger for war and land (you know, just like every other militarist dictator) that drove him.

The only way to keep him from attacking Moscow is to keep him from attacking Russia. The best way to do that is to have him die after meeting Tsar Alex on the Elbe (before the war...I think it was in 1809 or something?). His generals are more than talented enough to keep Europe down, and Talleyrand is astute enough to make a permanent peace with the surviving continental powers. Things will be a bit rickety for a while, but it'll likely smooth over. That all depends though--which Bonaparte takes over? Or will it even be a Bonaparte who takes over?

EDIT: Oh, and pertaining to (one of) the question(s): The thing people tend to forget is the loss of Moscow -was- important in 1812. Extremely so; Moscow was the city that unified Russia after all, and was full of cultural treasures. But it was not important enough to make the gigantic Russian state, with thousands of soldiers, Kutuzov, and General Winter himself on their side, simply give up. Besides, according to the way wars usually played out in Eastern Europe, the Russians were already winning by the time Moscow was captured. Borodino, Shevardino, the Cossacks playing hell with French supply lines, and the burning of every single edible thing within a hundred miles of Moscow made it inevitable that Nappy would have to retreat. Meloyaroslavets and the intensification of guerrilla warfare along the Smolensk road just hammered the nail into the coffin.
 
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Would the loss of Sankt Petersburg be more or less damaging to the Russians? (It was the capital after all). Because the place still looks easier to reach, even without seaborne supplies.
 
Would the loss of Sankt Petersburg be more or less damaging to the Russians? (It was the capital after all). Because the place still looks easier to reach, even without seaborne supplies.

Look, I get that you, unlike most of us here, aren't an obsessive-compulsive military nerd (I'm included here, so nobody get mad), but people have explained. Let's say Napoleon goes to Petersburg. The Grande Armee crosses the border, defeating a few Russian detachments. So far, so good. But halfway up Latvia, things start to go horribly wrong. Rural resistance stiffens (this is not a time when the Baltic peoples wanted to independent AFAIK). Fewer and fewer supplies reach the army for some odd reason (i.e. Cossacks tearing the lines apart, the Prussians 'delaying' them). The British constantly bombard and harry his army. The men are hungry. It's cold, and the only homes that let his soldiers in without being forced are ones in which soldiers just don't wake up the next morning. Meanwhile, in the southwest, Kutuzov has the gall to march right into Napoleon's supply lines, cutting him off for good. Another Russian force, led by, say, Barclay-de-Tolly, threatens his army from the north; but every time Napoleon seeks battle from either, they retreat and let the other harry him like wolves harrying a bull. Winter falls--the coldest winter many in his army have ever known. Making a final, resigned decision, Napoleon retreats as fast as possible as his army simply dissolves around him. Unfortunately, as gets near Smolensk, Kutuzov falls upon his much-reduced force. Though Boney fights bravely, his men are exhausted and starving, and soon surrender. He's captured, and sent to Petersburg to be imprisoned.

Actually, that's kind of a cool idea; WI Napoleon captured by Kutuzov in 1812?
 
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