Why are the Germanic people so successful

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The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region. They came back from being defeated Emperor Augustus, being ravaged by having the Huns run across their country, being kicked around following the fall of the HRE, being defeated in WWI, WW2 and being spit up and having part of their country occupied by the USSR.

They usually come back to become a strong force. After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome. After the HRE fell they formed Germany. After WWI they managed to reform into a strong nation. Even after that nation fell they reformed after being split up by the USSR and become a major force in Europe. What about them makes them so resilient?

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.
 

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The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region. They came back from being defeated Emperor Augustus, being ravaged by having the Huns run across their country, being kicked around following the fall of the HRE, being defeated in WWI, WW2 and being spit up and having part of their country occupied by the USSR.

They usually come back to become a strong force. After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome. After the HRE fell they formed Germany. After WWI they managed to reform into a strong nation. Even after that nation fell they reformed after being split up by the USSR and become a major force in Europe. What about them makes them so resilient?

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.

Who do you mean by the name "germanic people"? Your messange is incoherent. Do you mean "Deutche" or all germanic language speaking people in history? Or inhabitants of the lands which now are a part of the country called Germany in English, regardless of their proper historical identification?

Also, I want to clarify. "Germans" as ancestor of modern Deutche didn't conquer Rome, they were "loosers" who were to afraid to go into the great adventure in the country of plenty, honey and milk (as the Roman Empire looked in eyes of germanic tribesmen).

Also the Huns didn't do much in lands which now are in Germany, at least in the bulk of territory north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. And the worst for Romans had already happened, by other germanic tribes, who had already settled in the lands of the Western Empire.
 

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The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region. They came back from being defeated Emperor Augustus, being ravaged by having the Huns run across their country, being kicked around following the fall of the HRE, being defeated in WWI, WW2 and being spit up and having part of their country occupied by the USSR.

They usually come back to become a strong force. After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome. After the HRE fell they formed Germany. After WWI they managed to reform into a strong nation. Even after that nation fell they reformed after being split up by the USSR and become a major force in Europe. What about them makes them so resilient?

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.

The Germanic people don't exist. Never have done, with the possible exception of a few moderately successful hybrid-indo-European bronze age farmers in Scania.
 
The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region. They came back from being defeated Emperor Augustus, being ravaged by having the Huns run across their country, being kicked around following the fall of the HRE, being defeated in WWI, WW2 and being spit up and having part of their country occupied by the USSR.

They usually come back to become a strong force. After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome. After the HRE fell they formed Germany. After WWI they managed to reform into a strong nation. Even after that nation fell they reformed after being split up by the USSR and become a major force in Europe. What about them makes them so resilient?

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.

Sounds like something straight out of a white nationalist's revisionist history.
 
The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region. They came back from being defeated Emperor Augustus, being ravaged by having the Huns run across their country, being kicked around following the fall of the HRE, being defeated in WWI, WW2 and being spit up and having part of their country occupied by the USSR.

They usually come back to become a strong force. After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome. After the HRE fell they formed Germany. After WWI they managed to reform into a strong nation. Even after that nation fell they reformed after being split up by the USSR and become a major force in Europe. What about them makes them so resilient?

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.

Germany has some very fertile soil, leading to high population levels, as well as plenty of natural resources that were useful once the Industrial Revolution kicked in.
 

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Germany has minerals ,fertile soils ,they have not been romantisized which is a big plus point .
They accepted Abrahamic religions on their own terms .
Their land was very hard to conquer in ancient times(That's the time during which most cultures disappeared and grew)
 
The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region. They came back from being defeated Emperor Augustus, being ravaged by having the Huns run across their country, being kicked around following the fall of the HRE, being defeated in WWI, WW2 and being spit up and having part of their country occupied by the USSR.

They usually come back to become a strong force. After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome. After the HRE fell they formed Germany. After WWI they managed to reform into a strong nation. Even after that nation fell they reformed after being split up by the USSR and become a major force in Europe. What about them makes them so resilient?

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.
This is not only not right, it's not even wrong.

1. The Romans did in fact conquer Lesser Germania. There was no individual nation to "come back" from Teutoburg Forest - particularly because the Cherusci, Marsi, Chatti and a few other Germanic tribes won that one. Later on, the Romans repelled the Marcomanni in the mid-2nd century.

2. It's simplistic to say the Germanic tribes conquered Rome. There was no central Germanic government waging a war of conquest. Some of them actually got co-opted into it and worked their way into positions of power from the inside. The Romans eventually took to hiring Germanic tribes to serve in the military, and they got around. There was no organized Germanic conquest of the Western Roman Empire, and the migration of Germanic tribes into their various homelands really only took place after the Goths beat up a dehydrated and frustrated Roman army and exposed Roman weakness to all and sundry. What happened was less a conquest and more of a mass migration.

3. Actually, certain contingents of Germanic peoples joined Attila - he had allies among the Franks and Burgundians, for instance. There really wasn't much in Germania for Attila to ravage; he wanted the nice, fat, rich cities of the Empire.

4. Germany was part of the HRE; it's what used to be called East Francia. Typically the Emperor was also King of Germany and was in fact King of Germany before he was ever crowned. Even then, the HRE was hardly some huge central power; the Empire was notorious for being a collection of decentralized little fiefdoms and electorates that looks absolutely ghastly when you put it into map form.

5. The suggestion that the Anglo-Saxons are genetically a Germanic tribe is probably not true. It's highly unlikely that the Germanic arrivals displaced Celtic Britons. Instead they probably formed a ruling class who intermingled substantially with the natives and impacted the gene pool and the culture. Your average English person today is maybe 40% Germanic, tops, if I'm reading the data right (and I'm doing it on the fly because there's just so much here). That's saying nothing of the other inhabitants of the British Isles, like the Scottish and the Irish.

6. After World War I they managed to form into "a strong nation." That nation was Nazi Germany. I do not think Hitler's country is something to celebrate.

7. Native Americans are actually closer to Tungusic peoples than anything. With that bit of pedantry aside, European settlers in America also included the Irish, the Scottish and the Welsh. As well, actual Germany didn't manage to colonize much of the New World beyond Klein-Venedig and a smattering of others that didn't last.

Germany has some very fertile soil, leading to high population levels, as well as plenty of natural resources that were useful once the Industrial Revolution kicked in.
Yep.
 
The North Americans are composed of a hodgepodge of nationalities with mixed ancestries. They're far from "Germanic", and that white supremacist who once went to a genetic ancestry show and found out he was 14% "black" is technically proof of it. And let's not forget the Latin Americans.
 
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They accepted Abrahamic religions on their own terms .

The Saxon Wars and the Northern Crusade would indicate otherwise.

After being conquered by Rome and ravaged by Huns they managed to conquer Rome.

Which Germans? Most Germanic people didn't outlast the Huns by very long. Pretty much all of the East Germanic people were assimilated either into the Slavic and Altaic migrations coming from the east, with only the Goths barely clinging to existence in the Crimea. The Germanic tribes that 'conquered' Rome saw themselves as Roman subjects for decades, even centuries after the fall. They adopted Roman titles, religion, customs, culture and eventually language.

Let's not forget that the English and by extension the Americans were a Germanic tribe.

They were several Germanic tribes that went through basically the same thing the continental Germanics did, but with slightly less linguistic change. Let's not forget that some of the biggest threats to the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms came from other Germanic tribes. Also, I'm an American with no Germanic ancestry whatsoever. Does that make me not a real American, even though you'd have to go back over a century to find an ancestor who didn't live in this country?

The Germanic people have been hit hard several times in history and yet repeatedly come back to be a strong force in the region.

So have the Slavic people. And the Altaic people. And the Romantic people. And the Semitic people. And China. And Japan. And Indonesia. And India. And the Iranian people. The Germanics were no more or less successful than most other groups, with may of their 'successes' being due to external factors such as climate, population or resources.
 
I believe diversity has a lot to due with it. Through most of its post Carolingian history Germany was a collection of monarchical and ecclesiastical principalities as well as plutocratic city states. This promoted competition and development.
 
Germany has some very fertile soil, leading to high population levels, as well as plenty of natural resources that were useful once the Industrial Revolution kicked in.
Doesnt hurt when you sit in the middle of Europe where trade flows from east to west & north to south e.t.c. Hell, amber found in Egytian tombs came from the Baltic sea & was traded through networks what we call today Germany. But this has nothing to do with the Germanics, but with all the people living there through the centuries.
 
I expect that mad orc meant Romanized/Latinized. I'm not sure how having a non Romance language is either a positive or negative feature of a culture though.


Its probably because it allowed Germanic Languages to survive. Which isn't even really right. English is basically a Romance Vocabulary with a Germanic Grammar, and a simple one at that.
 
English is basically a Romance Vocabulary with a Germanic Grammar, and a simple one at that.
But thats wrong. Most everday vocabulary is germanic in origen, and its when you deal with higher level concepts (technical language, legal language, medical, etc.) That romance words start flooding in
 
But thats wrong. Most everday vocabulary is germanic in origen, and its when you deal with higher level concepts (technical language, legal language, medical, etc.) That romance words start flooding in


Only about 1/4 of English is Germanic. The plurality is Latin then French. If this isn't significant I don't know what is.
 
Uh-huh...

The tongues of the men beyond the Rhine certainly went far. Though in blood, the English are more akin to the native Britons, and in words the English tongue owes far more to the tongue of the Latins.
 
Only about 1/4 of English is Germanic. The plurality is Latin then French. If this isn't significant I don't know what is.

HERE is a nice informative thread addressing how your stance on English is objectively, academically, provably wrong.

Also, what the shit is the OP on about? There was hardly any "Germanic kinship" or sense of unity that far back, and I'd argue it's always been a chimera. Those successful nation-states mentioned are thus thanks to many other non-ethnic/national factors.
 

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