From what I read, the Occitans and Portuguese tend to have better thinking about the Plantagenets, for some Occitans the loss of the Plantagenets in the Hundred Years was a bad thing, what is the reason for this?
From what I read, the Occitans and Portuguese tend to have better thinking about the Plantagenets, for some Occitans the loss of the Plantagenets in the Hundred Years was a bad thing, what is the reason for this?
During the albigensian crusades the english did their best to prevent the destruction of the Toulousain state, without success.
Was England significantly involved in the Albigensian Crusade? I knew Aragon backed the House of Toulouse but I didn't think England played much of a part.
The Anglo-Portuguese relations where historically strong even with I think a marriage and alliance back then, as for the Occitans, probably the fact a foreign language would be enforced on them, like with what had happened with the French.
For the Occitan its probably a mental mix up between the Albigensian crusades where, in fire and blood, the french destroyed the truly independant state (if not dejure most definitely defacto). During the albigensian crusades the english did their best to prevent the destruction of the Toulousain state, without success.
Admitedly, they are two different conflicts but both the Hundred years wars and the english support of the house of Toulouse where both caused by franco-english rivalries in Aquitaine so the mix-up is understandable. That being said, the political destiny had already been decided since a long time at the beguining of the Hundred Years wars.
Was England significantly involved in the Albigensian Crusade? I knew Aragon backed the House of Toulouse but I didn't think England played much of a part.
As far as Aquitaine is concerned, the Plantagenets were distant rulers, maintaining a looser control than the more centralized French authority of later on.
Didn't several of the Plantagenets speak Occitan as their native tongue?
Not to the extent of Aragon certainly but they did support diplomaticaly and possibly financialy the House of Toulouse.
During the first phases of the war some very significants lieutenants of the english kings in Aquitaine served as mercenary commanders under the Counts of Toulouse and against Montfort, many gascons veterans who fought in english forces did the same. To significant to be a coincidence.
At the Council of Lateran their ambassador where the only ones who supported Raymond VI against Montfort and almost certainly provided significant funds afterward, who played a crucial role in the first phases of Raymond VII war of reconquest.
Latter on they almost marched against Louis VIII of France and the Royal Crusade, threteaning to cut their lines of supplies. The Papacy needed to use all its use influence in England at the time to prevent it.
In 1242 Raymond VII allied himself with England to breack France, allow the english to take back all of Aquitaine and the Occitans to quash the Treaty of Paris in 1229. Where it not for the stupidity of the Counts of La Marche, who revolted to early and allerted the French king before the coalised where ready, it might very well have worked instead of ending up with english defeat at Taillebourg.
The english didnt fight side by side with the occitans but that's pretty much the only thing the aragonese did that they didnt.
Actually, not just the Occitans that allied with English, the Catalans also like the English as well...I noticed that the Occitans never liked the Capetians save for the Valois-Anjou,Rene of Anjou to be precise..
Actually not just the Gascons and the Tolsans that like the english but the Provençal and Catalans like them as well - the problem is that the Occitans chose to let the Capetians win in the Hundred Years war..