Who was the greatest of the Tudor Monarchs of England?

Who was the greatest of the Tudor Monarchs of England?

  • Henry VII

    Votes: 11 19.0%
  • Henry VIII

    Votes: 7 12.1%
  • Edward VI

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mary I

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Elizabeth I

    Votes: 40 69.0%

  • Total voters
    58
One things for sure, Charles II would have been very different from today's monarchs, who seem to think that sitting on their rears and waving at random strangers is a productive use of their time.
Come to think of it, Mary II would also have been unique if she had lived toady, due to,according to some sources, certain, um, shall we say, "personality traits":rolleyes:.
 
One things for sure, Charles II would have been very different from today's monarchs, who seem to think that sitting on their rears and waving at random strangers is a productive use of their time.

But remember, he was sort of brought up to believe that as king his job was to rule. Todays royal family is taught something very different (I hope:rolleyes:). It would be kind of interesting to see one of the Stuarts put on the throne of the UK today.
 
But remember, he was sort of brought up to believe that as king his job was to rule. Todays royal family is taught something very different (I hope:rolleyes:). It would be kind of interesting to see one of the Stuarts put on the throne of the UK today.

Hmmm, if the past kings and queens of England were ruling today:D.
Well, for some reason I keep imagining Charles II showing up at comic book signings and rock concerts (he showed up at their 17th century equivalents whenever he could). Can you imagine the weirdness? The balls at the Court of St. James featuring the Macarana as the main dance:eek:. Every meeting of Parliament opening with a Doctor Who episode:D.
 
Henry VII. Sure, Nek, he missed out on Columbus, but Columbus was an idiot. And wrong. The moment the western route went from "insane" to "interesting" he got himself a captain and went claiming. He brought England back out of the abyss and got the treasury running again.


Edward VI: Well intentioned, but a screw up.

How do you mean by "Colombus was an idiot"?

Edward VI was a sickly youth whom died at fifteen. He didn't live long enough to be successful or a screw up. The reforms that occured during his reign were enacted by his regents and ministers. Were he to live a bit longer than he did, who knows what things would have changed?
 
How do you mean by "Colombus was an idiot"?

He had no concept of astronomy or geography. The size of the earth was know perfectly well in his day, and he still managed to convince himself that his insane plan to get to Asia was going to work. By all rights he should have died out in the Atlantic somewhere.
 

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Henry VII: Managed the finances well, but as Nek says, mismanaged the royal marriages. And a bloody Welsh traitor who stole the Yorkist birthright [/chauvinism]. So no.

Henry VIII: A bit like Edward III in that he was pretty much a massive failure when viewing his goals, yet everyone still likes him because he was just that cinematic.

Edward VI: Set up the British Education System :eek:

Mary: There's a reason why the drink is named after her.

Elizabeth: Got to be her: for all the mistakes, she made England a nation to be proud of for the first time since the start of the Wars of the Roses.
 

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He had no concept of astronomy or geography. The size of the earth was know perfectly well in his day, and he still managed to convince himself that his insane plan to get to Asia was going to work. By all rights he should have died out in the Atlantic somewhere.
Yeah. Funny how history turns out. Same with Galileo.
 

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Galileo was wrong about the whole "circles" thing, but he was right about inertia, and gravity, and moons, and sunspots. Not sure about your point here.

He was right about his conclusions, but got there in such a mule-headedly unscientific way - compared to all his geocentrist colleagues! - that it makes me sick whenever he's lauded as an example of 'the scientific method standing up to authority' or some such BS.
 
He was right about his conclusions, but got there in such a mule-headedly unscientific way - compared to all his geocentrist colleagues! - that it makes me sick whenever he's lauded as an example of 'the scientific method standing up to authority' or some such BS.

...Looking at the world and experimentation is "unscientific" now? :confused:
 
Henry VIII was not a great monarch, but he had a catchy song written about him. Catchy songs are important. They get you remembered. Even if he did perform the rough wooing. "Ahm Ennery the eyigth I am":D
 
Henry VIII: A bit like Edward III in that he was pretty much a massive failure when viewing his goals, yet everyone still likes him because he was just that cinematic.

Edward III is quite simply the greatest monarch England has ever had!
 
Henry VII. Sure, Nek, he missed out on Columbus, but Columbus was an idiot. And wrong. The moment the western route went from "insane" to "interesting" he got himself a captain and went claiming. He brought England back out of the abyss and got the treasury running again.

Henry VIII blew the treasury on his stupid wars and did nothing for England's position in Europe.

Edward VI: Well intentioned, but a screw up.

Mary I: See Edward VI.

Elizabeth I: Nice, but on balance I just don't think she did as much, personally, as Henry. Sure,she was queen during a prosperous time, but anyone can do that.

Henry VII gets far less respect than he deserves! He's the only Tudor with no popular book about him. There's a whole friggin movement to rehab Richard III; no one says a good word for Henry of Richmond. That portrait kills him, and Sir Francis Bacon riddles the body with bullets.

Henry VIII was an asshole of epic dimensions, but all in all a very successful king. He gets dissed for his wars, but no one in the 16th century felt that way. For all the money wasted he was not bankrupted, and he left England a Great Power. He cast such a huge shadow that a child, an incompetent woman, and then another young woman came to the throne in succession, with only one attempted usurpation - and even that in the name of a teenage girl.


Elizabeth did plenty, and I voted for her, but as others have said she can be seriously faulted for not dealing with her succession, meaning her subjects spent 20 years sweating Mary Queen of Scots, and still ended up with the Stuarts.

Sorry, queens regnant, providing an heir is part of the job. Issues with marriage because Daddy axed Mommy? Issues with marriage because it's the 16th century and you're afraid Hubby will marginalize you? Tough tahooties; deal with it. Your body and your bedchamber don't belong to you, they belong to your dynasty. So march your ass up to that rail and then into the sack, so you can give your people the blessing of a prince. :D :D :D
 
Henry VII. Good, orthodox Catholic, and helped usher in a period of relative stability and strong, decent government.

Not HVIII. Changed his religion and imposed it on his subjects just to get the bling and bitches, so to say, treated Parliamentary precedent and the Magna Carta like toilet paper, and was a general all-around arsehole (the dismembered body of Catherine Howard being an example).
 
Henry VII. Good, orthodox Catholic, and helped usher in a period of relative stability and strong, decent government.

Not HVIII. Changed his religion and imposed it on his subjects just to get the bling and bitches, so to say, treated Parliamentary precedent and the Magna Carta like toilet paper, and was a general all-around arsehole (the dismembered body of Catherine Howard being an example).


Tell us what you really think of Bluff Hal. :D

I suspect the Church in England would be rather similar if there'd never been an English Reformation - part of the universal Catholic Church, of course, but with a distinctive national flavor, and an 'Anglican' one.

Henry VIII would probably have a very good popular reputation if he had just dumped his wives instead of beheading them. That got a little, shall we say, extreme.
 
Henry VIII was not a great monarch, but he had a catchy song written about him. Catchy songs are important. They get you remembered. Even if he did perform the rough wooing. "Ahm Ennery the eyigth I am":D

You mean this one?

I'm Henry the Eighth, I am.
Henry the Eighth, I am, I am.
I've been eating since 6 am,
for dessert I'll have dinner again.
My name's synonymous with gluttony,
I'll always eat a turkey or a ham...

:cool:
 
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