White Russian victory = No Nazis?

Certainly not imposable, improbable yes but if only Poland had fought harder, and there's the whole sacrificial Germans thing. Wining a few more key battles. Of course there probably going to fall apart after the war but they can still win.
 

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The Whites defeating the Bolsheviks in the Civil War? I know this is a hypothetical discussion but such events could never have happened. They consisted of too many political groups whom each had different motivations to fight Bolshevism, for example monarchists, slavophiles, etc. Combined with the organisation of the Red Army they were doomed from the War's beginning in January 1918. Thus, the Whites were unable to collaborate with each other to fight the common enemy: the Reds. As for the topic at hand, the Treaty of Versailles had a much greater impact upon the growth of Nazism in Germany than the Bolsheviks and the consequent Civil War ever had.
That the Whites winning is ASB we all know, however even when the treaty of Versailles created crazy German revengist nationalism, the red scare was such an important ingredient for the Nazis, that we would see something completely different without it.
 
The Whites defeating the Bolsheviks in the Civil War? I know this is a hypothetical discussion but such events could never have happened. They consisted of too many political groups whom each had different motivations to fight Bolshevism, for example monarchists, slavophiles, etc. Combined with the organisation of the Red Army they were doomed from the War's beginning in January 1918. Thus, the Whites were unable to collaborate with each other to fight the common enemy: the Reds. As for the topic at hand, the Treaty of Versailles had a much greater impact upon the growth of Nazism in Germany than the Bolsheviks and the consequent Civil War ever had.

If the White leaders were a bit more politically smart, they could make the decision to save their disagreements for after the Bolsheviks were defeated.

Admiral Kolchak, for example, could have chosen to NOT repress the Socialist Revolutionaries, for example.

It was also possible for Deniken and Kolchak to have linked up at Orel (?), cutting off the Bolsheviks from Central Asia and the oil of the Caucasus. They came close to doing so in OTL, but failed.
 

yourworstnightmare

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As usual my points of what needed to be done to get a White victory.

1. The Wites would need popular support. The peasants were the key to Russia. Without them White victory is ASB.

2. The White leaders must be better organized and be able to cooperate. The Reds would easily be able to squash that unorganized bunch that were the Whites OTL.

3. The Whites must cut their losses and aknowledge the independence of Finland, Poland, the Baltic States and perhaps some more territory, they'd need the support of the former subjects, but without recognizing their independence they won't get it.
 
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