White president, with black first lady?

Mixed Marriage

I am a white relataively conservative Englishman, married to a black Zimbabwean. We have had very few problems in the UK (with the exception of Dagenham (where we used to live) which is the heartland of the fascist BNP), none in Zimbabwe.

We have received some very odd looks in a few places (especially Durban in Kwa Zulu Natal) when we've been on holiday in South Africa, but I've been into townships in Zimbabwe and Malawi at night with my wife and had no problems.

We are both members of the Conservative Party in the UK and have been welcomed with open arms. My wife has even catered (she runs a small catering business) a few Birthday Parties for local conservative coucillors with an all African menu and they have gone down a storm.

The fact that a couple are of two different races should not matter a jot now, especially as DNA has proved that there is greater divergence within races than there is between races. But Americans who don't travel have a strange outlook on the world.

By the way Barack Obama is not the first POTUS with an African American Heritage. Just Google it.
 
Well, here is a scenario.

Imagine if Strom Thurmond back in the 50's had won the presidency with his strong segeration views, etc. Carries the South, some Midwestern and even plains states.

He did have a white wife, but years later it was establish that he had a black mistress on the side. He has a daughter who is her 70's now, but she remained silent to protect her father's career. There was an interview with his daughter recently, probably can find it on youtube.

If Thurmond had been president, we would not have know about his black mistress and mix raced child unti later, or maybe someone would have leaked the story.
 
I am a white relataively conservative Englishman, married to a black Zimbabwean. We have had very few problems in the UK (with the exception of Dagenham (where we used to live) which is the heartland of the fascist BNP), none in Zimbabwe.

We have received some very odd looks in a few places (especially Durban in Kwa Zulu Natal) when we've been on holiday in South Africa, but I've been into townships in Zimbabwe and Malawi at night with my wife and had no problems.

We are both members of the Conservative Party in the UK and have been welcomed with open arms. My wife has even catered (she runs a small catering business) a few Birthday Parties for local conservative coucillors with an all African menu and they have gone down a storm.

The fact that a couple are of two different races should not matter a jot now, especially as DNA has proved that there is greater divergence within races than there is between races. But Americans who don't travel have a strange outlook on the world.

By the way Barack Obama is not the first POTUS with an African American Heritage. Just Google it.

as for your last point, that's true- esp with all the allegations that Warren harding back in the early 1920s was technically the 1st black US Pres, since he had a West Indian grandfather (though he himself was from Ohio). Then come the conspiracy theories that his untimely death was due to KKK white supremacists resenting his status & poisoning him secretly etc :(

as for myself, I'm an Asian-Australian & proud that Australia's my country over anywhere else- I've always felt that, if I wish to have a white blonde blue-eyed girlfriend or wife, that's my damn business, & in this country at least it overwhelmingly wouldn't matter at all, given how, on the whole, cosmopolitan & accepting Australian society is of ppl from all backgrounds. Heck, must admit I've always been that way inclined in favour of inter-racial relationships (I've NEVER wanted to marry into my own ethnic group for the sake of it, that cultural pressure I will NEVER hold with), the vast majority of women I associate with are white Anglo girls anyhow...
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Isn't Obama as white as he is black (white mother - black father)?

I guess that must mean that it is as right as it is wrong to say that the PoD is no PoD but OTL...

Regards

Steffen Redbeard

In all fairness he identifies as Blask and for good reason, he has likely been treated like that most of his life, so why shouldn't he identify himself as Black.
 
humor as the best defense

I am writing a doctoral dissertation on zimbabwe, so It's nice to see someone with a wife from there.
Harding, was out and out asked about his mixed racial hertiage, and made a joke of it, "One of my ancestors jumped the fence., how would I know?
 
I am a white relataively conservative Englishman, married to a black Zimbabwean. We have had very few problems in the UK (with the exception of Dagenham (where we used to live) which is the heartland of the fascist BNP), none in Zimbabwe.

We have received some very odd looks in a few places (especially Durban in Kwa Zulu Natal) when we've been on holiday in South Africa, but I've been into townships in Zimbabwe and Malawi at night with my wife and had no problems.

We are both members of the Conservative Party in the UK and have been welcomed with open arms. My wife has even catered (she runs a small catering business) a few Birthday Parties for local conservative coucillors with an all African menu and they have gone down a storm.

The fact that a couple are of two different races should not matter a jot now, especially as DNA has proved that there is greater divergence within races than there is between races. But Americans who don't travel have a strange outlook on the world.

By the way Barack Obama is not the first POTUS with an African American Heritage. Just Google it.

I know this is off topic, but I would say that in my experience Britain is the least racist country in the world, I've travelled a fair bit, and I'm Irish and got lots of criticisms of the UK, but it's definately one of the best things about it. That's not to deny the real problems, and the rise of the BNP and religious extremism, but it's still got a lot to be proud of.

I also think that the first black or more likely asian PM of Britain will come from the Conservatives rather than any other party.
 
Washington and Jefferson both had children by their slaves, which was denied for centuries until DNA tests removed any doubts. Strom Thurmond had a child by a black teenage mistress that he supported privately while never admitting to publicly his whole life.
There is no possible way to PROVE that Washington had children with his slaves. What you can show is that descendants of slaves on the estate have the same Y chromosome as (the legitimate, white) descendants of that family. That only says SOME male of the family was fooling around.

AFAIK, the evidence tends to support them being descendants of his brother Lawrence, who owned the estate before George did (and who, obviously had the same Y chromosome). Moreover, I'm not sure there's any evidence that GW had ANY children by anyone, is there?


As for Jefferson and Sally ?Hemming?, ya, that's pretty well substantiated, I believe.
 
The funny thing is, the country with the racist population recently elected a black (or mixed-race, take your pick) president. He even did better than the white woman.

One day hopefully, the USA will be as enlightened as that country. Until then, we Americans will have to rely on Europeans, Canadians, and Australians to point out our racial flaws.
 
The funny thing is, the country with the racist population recently elected a black (or mixed-race, take your pick) president. He even did better than the white woman.

One day hopefully, the USA will be as enlightened as that country. Until then, we Americans will have to rely on Europeans, Canadians, and Australians to point out our racial flaws.

Canadians seem to have it well worked out, but I would say that race relations in the United States are vastly better than the situation in most of continental Europe.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
The funny thing is, the country with the racist population recently elected a black (or mixed-race, take your pick) president. He even did better than the white woman.

One day hopefully, the USA will be as enlightened as that country. Until then, we Americans will have to rely on Europeans, Canadians, and Australians to point out our racial flaws.

Yes it clearly disgusting and a sign of racism that all European countries hasn't Black leaders of government:rolleyes:
 
But keep in mind that the US, despite its racist past, has always had a large black minority, while in Europe, there were few blacks until after WW 2. So they are regarded as recent immigrants, and this must weigh in as a factor in their rise to high political office. There are black MPs in the UK, some day one will be elected as a leader of a major party. I don't know as much about mainland European politics, but I can't really picture a black PM in Germany or Italy for instance.
Yes it clearly disgusting and a sign of racism that all European countries hasn't Black leaders of government:rolleyes:
 
There is no possible way to PROVE that Washington had children with his slaves. What you can show is that descendants of slaves on the estate have the same Y chromosome as (the legitimate, white) descendants of that family. That only says SOME male of the family was fooling around.

AFAIK, the evidence tends to support them being descendants of his brother Lawrence, who owned the estate before George did (and who, obviously had the same Y chromosome). Moreover, I'm not sure there's any evidence that GW had ANY children by anyone, is there?

The usual defense is that Martha had children by a previous marraige, thus George must've been sterile. But most observers said George obviously married for money and Martha for status, because there was no sign of love between the two.

And many of the doubters tend to distrust the family history of the Ford family, which says Venus Ford became pregnant by Washington at age 15 and gave birth a son by him, West Ford.

We have numerous accounts, collected by Henry Weincek, of West Ford being singled out for special favored treatment by GW in the same pattern that was common for Black slave children fathered by white masters.

Here's a debate on the issue.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/video/report1t.html
 
Let me play devils advocate and add fuel to the fire. What if the white man was a republican. The current crop of the so called african american leadership is so anti republican that they would probably call the first lady a female version of an uncle tom.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Let me play devils advocate and add fuel to the fire. What if the white man was a republican. The current crop of the so called african american leadership is so anti republican that they would probably call the first lady a female version of an uncle tom.

They wouldn't because they're not idiots, while I have little respect for Jesse Jackson & co, they would see how insane stupid that would be.
 
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