White house changes hands 4 times running

WI Kerry had some skilled advisors who had put efforts into a ground campaing in Ohio and had dealt more effectively with attempts to block minority voter and he had won in 04.

I do not think that he would have done enough to deal with banking abuse to prevent the crisis in OTL.

I think McCain would likely have won in 08. He would not have coped even as well as Obama in OTL, the anger would be huge

A Democrat would walk it in 2012. Who would it be?
 
I think McCain would likely have won in 08. He would not have coped even as well as Obama in OTL, the anger would be huge

Or -- say the Iraq War doesn't go as planned, and is still ongoing in 2008? Then comes the economic collapse, where the country (due to the overpowering power that is anti-incumency) is more receptive to Hayekian interpretation of the problem.

Could TTL see -- perhaps -- Ron Paul elected 2008? If so, he wouldn't be re-elected either, in which case 2012 is -- well, who knows what happens then...
 
WI Kerry had some skilled advisors who had put efforts into a ground campaing in Ohio and had dealt more effectively with attempts to block minority voter and he had won in 04.

I do not think that he would have done enough to deal with banking abuse to prevent the crisis in OTL.

I think McCain would likely have won in 08. He would not have coped even as well as Obama in OTL, the anger would be huge

A Democrat would walk it in 2012. Who would it be?
Obama or Clinton most likely.
 
I suspect that McCain would have served in the Kerry Administration. Going along with the other assumptions of this thread, we have the potential list as follows:

John Kerry (D) 2004-2009
Rudolph Giuliani (R) 2009-2013
Barack Obama (D) 2013-2017
George P. Bush (R) 2017-202X

Can P end the one-term Bush curse?
 
Why? Is it because Republicans will never, ever embrace small government non-isolationism, regardless of the circumstances? Or that if they ever do, they still won't turn to Ron Paul as the vehicle to achieve it?

Ron Paul will never win because he is Ron Paul. Positions that might appeal to one section of the GOP Alienate another. In short his ceiling is too low.​
 

Jasen777

Donor
Why? Is it because Republicans will never, ever embrace small government non-isolationism, regardless of the circumstances? Or that if they ever do, they still won't turn to Ron Paul as the vehicle to achieve it?

Well I suppose things could be different after 4 years of Kerry. Don't know what you mean by "non-isolationism." But he will still face quite an uphill battle to be taken seriously even in a Republican primary.
 

Jasen777

Donor
He does without McCain, and with Romney potentially not doing as well or being butterflied away.

He's still a pro-choice, pro-gay (too much for the Republican base anyways), and has been known to cross-dress. That's going to be a tough sell.
 
Because McCain ate away his potential base.
Maybe some, but the funny thing about Rudy is that he would start out great when people only knew him by name & reputation, but you could actually see his ratings drop as he campaigned in a state - the more face time, the worse the ratings.....
 
Maybe some, but the funny thing about Rudy is that he would start out great when people only knew him by name & reputation, but you could actually see his ratings drop as he campaigned in a state - the more face time, the worse the ratings.....

Reminds me of John McCain...
 

iddt3

Donor
I remember an editorial cartoon I ran into in the New Yorker a while back in 2003 or so, with the caption "Before Giuliani was a national hero, he was a local embaressment" which more or less sums things up. The man was kinda like an American Churchill, good in a crisis, less so out of one.
 
I remember an editorial cartoon I ran into in the New Yorker a while back in 2003 or so, with the caption "Before Giuliani was a national hero, he was a local embaressment" which more or less sums things up. The man was kinda like an American Churchill, good in a crisis, less so out of one.

Which is why he gets one term:p
 
Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): (1965-1969)
Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Spiro Agnew (R-MN): (1969-1973)
George McGovern (D-SD)/Kevin White (D-MA): (1973-1977)
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/James Buckley (R-NY): (1977-1985)

There. Different time period of course but it can be done when certain crises exist.

Edit: I admit I only read the title at first before I posted this.​
 
Top