Which pacific islands could the Netherlands colonise?

It looks like it is more of a case of the Dutch letting other people govern it, as long as they do exactly what the Dutch want. There where other parts in the Dutch East indies where that happened, like (I think) Yogtakarta on java.

True, but bear in mind that that part of New Guinea was definitely not under any actual control by Tidore until the turn of the century, so it's not as controlled as it looks.
 
True, but bear in mind that that part of New Guinea was definitely not under any actual control by Tidore until the turn of the century, so it's not as controlled as it looks.
That si true. The Netherlands still had some work to do in the Dutch East Indies during the 19th and 2th century. Still i believe that if you add Belgium to the Netherlands (possibly even just Flanders) the Dutch would be able to either finsih Indonesia earlier or at the same time colonise other areas, like some pacific islands (or the Dutch gold coast). Mind you, I am willing to admit that they won't be able to be another Britain or France. I do believe New Zealand (cool as it might be) would be overextending the Netherlands (besides possible diplomatic problems with Britain/Australia). If you want a Dutch New Zealand you probably need a POD during the Dutch republic (including a different approach to colonization). And even than a Dutch SW Australia is probably easier.
 
When the British claimed New South Wales in 1787, they only extended its border to the 135th meridian. It is certainly no coincidence that the coasts of New Holland beyond that had been discovered by Dutch sailors.

So I guess that without the Dutch being made a vassal of the French Republic/Empire for almost two decades, having the UK accept a Dutch claim to this Nieuw Holland is certainly possible. and who knows, perhaps the reuse the old colonial name Zwaanendael for a settlement in the Perth area. ;)

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True enough, but the Netherlands is the closest thing to a formal ally the British have on the Continent in the early Nineteenth Century, certainly after the connections with Hannover, etc. are no longer in place. May actually be the UK's interest to strengthen their ties with the Netherlands...

And as has been pointed out, the Dutch have a huge project in what became the NEI, as do the British in Australia; conversely, a "Dutch" settler colony in the Pacific might actually make the NEI "easier" in terms of a European population in the region to draw on for personnel and supllies - think of "Nieuw Zealand" as the Cape or Natal to Indonesia as the Transvaal, ZAR, Rhodesia, etc.

Another possibility, I suppose, simply from a point of geographic continuity and defensibility, might be to trade Dutch Borneo to the British in return for a free hand in all of New Guinea, at least before the Germans show up. Probably not much a trade in terms of economics (have to be before the oil industry develops, obviously) but it does make some sense in terms of geography.

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Interesting. All I'd say is that the actual raw numbers of British migrants on the 19 the century were low,to NZ, which was end of the line so far as migration destinations. So the vast majority of the current NX European population are descended from this group.
 
If you look at the establishment of German Pacific colonies (other than those they got from Spain) then there is obviously the potential for some other power to get there before/instead of them.

I would posit that the Dutch looking further afield than the E Indies is going to lead a different final position in the E Indies, one probably beneficial to Portugal (who won't sign away their interests in the islands near Timor) and maybe a surviving Aceh.

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True - compared to the Americas (North and South) the

Interesting. All I'd say is that the actual raw numbers of British migrants on the 19 the century were low,to NZ, which was end of the line so far as migration destinations. So the vast majority of the current NX European population are descended from this group.

True - compared to the Americas (North and South) the flow of European emigrants to the Pacific "settler" colonies (Australia, New Zealand, and, I suppose, New Caledonia) was always farily slender.

Would not have taken a lot of "Dutch" European settlers to establish and sustain a claim to NZ, if the British had agreed on the diplomatic side. Be interesting to look at the Dutch disapora in terms of post-1815 departures and see what the historcal numbers were, and compare it to European arrivals in Aotearoa/NZ in the same period.

Probably close, I'd bet.

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