Which member of the House of Capet should continue the mainline Capets?

Which member of the mainline should continue the House of Capet?

  • Louis X

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Jean I

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Philippe V

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Charles IV

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
I don't know how accurate Le Roi de Fer is but the book portrayed Philippe le Long far more favorably than his brothers, and as probably the most likely to continue the successful state building work of his father. Jean is of course a blank slate and his personality can be molded in any way, although choosing him means France has to deal with a regency and breaks the chain of adult son successions the Capetians had enjoyed for so long.
 
I don't know how accurate Le Roi de Fer is but the book portrayed Philippe le Long far more favorably than his brothers, and as probably the most likely to continue the successful state building work of his father. Jean is of course a blank slate and his personality can be molded in any way, although choosing him means France has to deal with a regency and breaks the chain of adult son successions the Capetians had enjoyed for so long.

This is very true, I do imagine that had le Hutin died before knocking up Clemence, things would've been very interesting. Especially if he had died before his own marriage had occurred.
 
Philippe V's son would inherit Artois and Franche Comté in addition to France and Navarre. Those are considerable additions to the royal demesne.

This is very true, I can see Robert of Artois moving to Edward II/III then when that happens
 
This is very true, I can see Robert of Artois moving to Edward II/III then when that happens

Philippe V seemed to trust Robert. A subtle move would be to give him Artois after Mahaut's death, not as inheritance, but as a new apanage, with the usual restrictions to succession.
 
Philippe V seemed to trust Robert. A subtle move would be to give him Artois after Mahaut's death, not as inheritance, but as a new apanage, with the usual restrictions to succession.

Usual restrictions? As in for his lifetime only? Would Philip risk such a thing though?
 
And deny himself and his wife and their children of the chance to gain access to the county?

He would take possession and then re-gift him, at his conditions, to a potential ally. OTL, Robert's son was gifted the County of Eu by John II, because even after the all botched case of 1329-1330, some compensation was due to the Artois heirs. Granting the County of Artois as an apanage (in the "new style" of apanage experimented for Philip himself in 1314) ensures the King has a far more important control on the County than on an ordinary fiefdom.
 
He would take possession and then re-gift him, at his conditions, to a potential ally. OTL, Robert's son was gifted the County of Eu by John II, because even after the all botched case of 1329-1330, some compensation was due to the Artois heirs. Granting the County of Artois as an apanage (in the "new style" of apanage experimented for Philip himself in 1314) ensures the King has a far more important control on the County than on an ordinary fiefdom.

Oh how so?
 
Oh how so?

In the apanage creation acts there was a clause reserving for the king superioritas et resortum. The latter was appellate jurisdiction (Parliament of Paris), the former was regalian rights (the right to pass laws, to mint coins...) Plus the restriction to male-line heirs I wrote of earlier.
 
In the apanage creation acts there was a clause reserving for the king superioritas et resortum. The latter was appellate jurisdiction (Parliament of Paris), the former was regalian rights (the right to pass laws, to mint coins...) Plus the restriction to male-line heirs I wrote of earlier.

Oh interesting
 
It might sound like dumb but .... there was no official status about the fact that even without a male heir female couldn't inherit .... it was Philippe le Long's fault if Jeanne de Navarre was kicked out of the succession, so ... maybe Jeanne ? (She could also have the support of Mahaut d'Artois, a Countess who highly supported women heritage (mostly because it made her countess x3)
 
It might sound like dumb but .... there was no official status about the fact that even without a male heir female couldn't inherit .... it was Philippe le Long's fault if Jeanne de Navarre was kicked out of the succession, so ... maybe Jeanne ? (She could also have the support of Mahaut d'Artois, a Countess who highly supported women heritage (mostly because it made her countess x3)

True, though wouldn't she also have wanted her son in law to be King as then she'd be secure in her county of artois?
 
True, though wouldn't she also have wanted her son in law to be King as then she'd be secure in her county of artois?

To what I know, Mahaut was close to Philippe IV, not to her sons in law (and when you think of how her daughters were behaving I don't think the alliance was strong, plus they died in suspect circumstances so ...
 
To what I know, Mahaut was close to Philippe IV, not to her sons in law (and when you think of how her daughters were behaving I don't think the alliance was strong, plus they died in suspect circumstances so ...
Blanche certainly did that's true.
 
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