Which defunct countries you would like to survive in an ATL 2.0

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by ByzantineLover, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. ByzantineLover Well-Known Member

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    Continuing on from the old thread, title says all.

    These are my choices (thought not all in the same timeline):

    * Byzantine Empire roughly consisting of OTL Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Aleppo and Turkey (traditional area of Anatolia minus parts listed in the next point, Antioch, Edessa)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia#Definition

    * Kingdom of Armenia roughly consisting of the territories under the OTL concept of United Armenia, minus the area around Trebizond.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Armenia_(political_concept)

    * Kingdom of Sicily, including African territories conquered by King Roger II

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Africa#Rise_and_fall_of_Norman_rule_in_Africa

    * Kingdom of Lotharingia

    * Brittany

    * Alania

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alania

    * Kurdistan consisting roughly of Iraqi, Syrian and Turkish Kurdistan

    * Some sort of Zoroastrian Tabaristan.

    Hopefully, your own suggestions are better than mine.
     
  2. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    Kingdom of Scotland
    Republic of Venice
    Ottoman Empire
     
  3. Iori ダークアビスの特使。

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    -Ottoman Empire (sans the African portions)
    -Principality of Theodoro (expanded to encompass the entire Crimean Peninsula)
    -Florentine Republic (including all of Tuscany)

    Several others, but I can't think of them right now.
     
  4. Lumsden Banned

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    Austria-Hungary.
    German Empire.
    Russian Empire.

    Other:
    The Crusader States in Outremer- Jerusalem, Antioch, Armenian Cicilia, Tripoli, Edessa.
     
  5. carlton_bach Member

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    Hanover (or Westfalia), Saxony, Bavaria, Baden, Wurttemberg, Prussia, Hamburg. The other ones, too, why not.

    A lot more non-postcolonial states outside Europe. Realistically mostly in Asia - surviving Maratha states, Sikh Punjab, Mysore, Annam, Laos, Timor, Aceh and an HRE-style Mughal state. Ideally, also in Africa and the Americas.
     
  6. modelcitizen note2self, no ranting ninjas

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    Texas, maybe? (But then, no LBJ to work with MLK to avert Civil War II)


    One big India, with founding PM Muhammed Ali Jinnah (as Gandhi had suggested as a way to keep India from partitioning.) Millions of lives saved, plus added stability for Central Asia, nice global example of cultural plurality, etc.
     
  7. herricks If you know what I mean

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    Republic of Texas
    Russian Empire
    Brazilian Empire
     
  8. NotYetRegistered Well-Known Member

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    Gran Colombia.

    Empire of Brazil.

    Second Empire of Mexico.

    Federal Republic of Central America.

    Mughals.

    Austria-Hungary.

    Bavaria, as a kingdom and part of Germany.

    The Holy Roman Empire, in its centralized form.

    The Kingdom of the Suebi.

    The Khazar Khaganate. (Medieval Jewish state for the win)
     
  9. eliphas8 Frankentrotsky

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    I'll put in a vote for the Golden Horde (which evolves into a more generalized Tatar state).
     
  10. Richter von Manthofen Gnome Fighter Ace

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    Austrian Empire (that is before 1866)
    Prussia (because then it does not claim all of Germany ;))
    Confederate States (as then the US is weaker)
    French Empire (Second)
    Scotland, Wales and Ireland (as Irealand = total of the island)
    Sardinia-Piemont in the Borders pre-1859
    Russian Empire
    Second Mexican Empire
     
  11. Generaloberst Κύριε, ἐλέησον Banned

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    Russian Empire.
    Byzantine Empire.
    Second French Empire.
    First Mexican Empire.
    Mughal Empire.
    Austrian Empire.
     
  12. Captain Jack Hobbes Was Right

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  13. Geordie Well known among the mighty men Donor

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    Ooh. I could give you guys a really long list. I'll start with a few:

    Kingdom of Northumbria
    Brittany
    Navarre or a Gascon type entity
    Kingdom of Bavaria
    Baden
    Wurttemburg
    Saxony (always liked all four of these)
    Swedish Empire/Mega Sweden
    Kingdom of Hungary (pre-Hapsburg)
    Kingdom of Bulgaria
    Byzantine Empire (obviously, this causes issues with the one above)
    Principality of Transylvania.

    That's enough for now...
     
  14. VictorVanBakker Flying Dutchman Extraordinaire!

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    Venice
    Newfoundland
    Tecumseh's confederation
    the Boer republics
    Brazilian Empire
    Republic of China
    USSR
    Zanzibar
    Ethiopian Empire
     
  15. Nassirisimo Angry Arab

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    Ottoman Empire
    Sokoto Caliphate
    Sultanate of Zanzibar
    Riograndense Republic
    Hedjaz. Seriously this one.
     
  16. Leo Caesius Banned

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    Ooh! Ooh!

    The late, great, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen!
     
  17. Anaxagoras Vox clamantis in deserto

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    I'd say the Republic of Venice.
     
  18. Brady Kj Well-Known Member

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    Genoa, and anything ruled by either a pair of consuls or a directory.
     
  19. katchen Banned

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    One big India pre 1937 including Burma. The Burmese are a minority in "Myanmar" anyway and Ne Win's stagnation and the current Than Shwe regime would be butterflied away. Possibly include Sri Lanka in Greater India as well. Maybe even Oman, the Emirates (then called the Trucial States) and Aden and Qatar, which would butterfly away a LOT of Mideast petro-instability while making Greater India self sufficient in energy. The Arab emirates in question had very small populations, easily submerged by India and the size of Indian princely states. Several wars (Oman, 1969-1975, Indo-Pakistani Wars, Burmese Civil War, Tamil Tigers) and much loss of life would be averted ATL. this way.
     
  20. katchen Banned

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    I'll second Hejaz and give you Asir as well. Both deserved better than to be subjugated by Abdul Aziz ibn Saud. For that matter, so did Qatif in what is now Eastern Province, where most of Saudi Arabia's oil is.
    Hejaz
    Asir
    Qatif (under local Shia rule)