Which defunct countries you would like to survive in an ATL 2.0

ByzantineLover

Continuing on from the old thread, title says all.

These are my choices (thought not all in the same timeline):

* Byzantine Empire roughly consisting of OTL Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Aleppo and Turkey (traditional area of Anatolia minus parts listed in the next point, Antioch, Edessa)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia#Definition

* Kingdom of Armenia roughly consisting of the territories under the OTL concept of United Armenia, minus the area around Trebizond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Armenia_(political_concept)

* Kingdom of Sicily, including African territories conquered by King Roger II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Africa#Rise_and_fall_of_Norman_rule_in_Africa

* Kingdom of Lotharingia

* Brittany

* Alania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alania

* Kurdistan consisting roughly of Iraqi, Syrian and Turkish Kurdistan

* Some sort of Zoroastrian Tabaristan.

Hopefully, your own suggestions are better than mine.
 
iori

iori

-Ottoman Empire (sans the African portions)
-Principality of Theodoro (expanded to encompass the entire Crimean Peninsula)
-Florentine Republic (including all of Tuscany)

Several others, but I can't think of them right now.
 

Lumsden

Banned
Austria-Hungary.
German Empire.
Russian Empire.

Other:
The Crusader States in Outremer- Jerusalem, Antioch, Armenian Cicilia, Tripoli, Edessa.
 

carlton_bach

Hanover (or Westfalia), Saxony, Bavaria, Baden, Wurttemberg, Prussia, Hamburg. The other ones, too, why not.

A lot more non-postcolonial states outside Europe. Realistically mostly in Asia - surviving Maratha states, Sikh Punjab, Mysore, Annam, Laos, Timor, Aceh and an HRE-style Mughal state. Ideally, also in Africa and the Americas.
 
modelcitizen

modelcitizen

Texas, maybe? (But then, no LBJ to work with MLK to avert Civil War II)


One big India, with founding PM Muhammed Ali Jinnah (as Gandhi had suggested as a way to keep India from partitioning.) Millions of lives saved, plus added stability for Central Asia, nice global example of cultural plurality, etc.
 

NotYetRegistered

Gran Colombia.

Empire of Brazil.

Second Empire of Mexico.

Federal Republic of Central America.

Mughals.

Austria-Hungary.

Bavaria, as a kingdom and part of Germany.

The Holy Roman Empire, in its centralized form.

The Kingdom of the Suebi.

The Khazar Khaganate. (Medieval Jewish state for the win)
 

Richter von Manthofen

Austrian Empire (that is before 1866)
Prussia (because then it does not claim all of Germany ;))
Confederate States (as then the US is weaker)
French Empire (Second)
Scotland, Wales and Ireland (as Irealand = total of the island)
Sardinia-Piemont in the Borders pre-1859
Russian Empire
Second Mexican Empire
 

Geordie

Ooh. I could give you guys a really long list. I'll start with a few:

Kingdom of Northumbria
Brittany
Navarre or a Gascon type entity
Kingdom of Bavaria
Baden
Wurttemburg
Saxony (always liked all four of these)
Swedish Empire/Mega Sweden
Kingdom of Hungary (pre-Hapsburg)
Kingdom of Bulgaria
Byzantine Empire (obviously, this causes issues with the one above)
Principality of Transylvania.

That's enough for now...
 

Leo Caesius

Banned
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Ooh! Ooh!

The late, great, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen!
 

katchen

Banned
modelcitizen said:
Texas, maybe? (But then, no LBJ to work with MLK to avert Civil War II)


One big India, with founding PM Muhammed Ali Jinnah (as Gandhi had suggested as a way to keep India from partitioning.) Millions of lives saved, plus added stability for Central Asia, nice global example of cultural plurality, etc.
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One big India pre 1937 including Burma. The Burmese are a minority in "Myanmar" anyway and Ne Win's stagnation and the current Than Shwe regime would be butterflied away. Possibly include Sri Lanka in Greater India as well. Maybe even Oman, the Emirates (then called the Trucial States) and Aden and Qatar, which would butterfly away a LOT of Mideast petro-instability while making Greater India self sufficient in energy. The Arab emirates in question had very small populations, easily submerged by India and the size of Indian princely states. Several wars (Oman, 1969-1975, Indo-Pakistani Wars, Burmese Civil War, Tamil Tigers) and much loss of life would be averted ATL. this way.
 

katchen

Banned
Nassirisimo said:
Ottoman Empire
Sokoto Caliphate
Sultanate of Zanzibar
Riograndense Republic
Hedjaz. Seriously this one.
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I'll second Hejaz and give you Asir as well. Both deserved better than to be subjugated by Abdul Aziz ibn Saud. For that matter, so did Qatif in what is now Eastern Province, where most of Saudi Arabia's oil is.
Hejaz
Asir
Qatif (under local Shia rule)
 
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