Which countries could have a French-style Revolution?

archaeogeek

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most of the Bourbon crowns
Savoy
the Habsburg Netherlands had one IOTL - Milan and Mantua were too close to Vienna, Tuscany was too quiet, the rest of the Habsburg lands are debatable.
If the third partitions of Poland can be avoided, Poland.
Sweden almost had one IOTL

Britain has the problem that it had its middle class revolution twice already in the 17th century.
 
most of the Bourbon crowns
Savoy
the Habsburg Netherlands had one IOTL - Milan and Mantua were too close to Vienna, Tuscany was too quiet, the rest of the Habsburg lands are debatable.
If the third partitions of Poland can be avoided, Poland.
Sweden almost had one IOTL

Britain has the problem that it had its middle class revolution twice already in the 17th century.

The problem with these is that these states are too weak on thier own so the reaction would crush them, only France had the necessary power to resist the counter-attack by counter-revolutionary powers.
 

archaeogeek

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The problem with these is that these states are too weak on thier own so the reaction would crush them, only France had the necessary power to resist the counter-attack by counter-revolutionary powers.

Yeah, but it was a list of places that could go up, not necessarily of places that could survive after going up in flames; however, if they all do simultaneously (say, move the constitution of Cadix by a generation + French revolution + a revolution in the aftermath of the War of the Hats + Savoy and the Netherlands join in the fun, you have a pretty much unstoppable behemoth of allied republics before any french conquests) - of course a convergence of all those revolutions would border on ASB levels of timing.
 
most of the Bourbon crowns
Savoy
the Habsburg Netherlands had one IOTL - Milan and Mantua were too close to Vienna, Tuscany was too quiet, the rest of the Habsburg lands are debatable.
If the third partitions of Poland can be avoided, Poland.
Sweden almost had one IOTL

Britain has the problem that it had its middle class revolution twice already in the 17th century.

Wasn't the Third Partition a result of Kosciuszko's failure? Also, got to agree with the whole Habsburg Italian lands being easier to administrate - I can certainly imagine why they'd trade the Southern Netherlands for Bavaria.

The problem with these is that these states are too weak on thier own so the reaction would crush them, only France had the necessary power to resist the counter-attack by counter-revolutionary powers.

Because even with the mass instability of the French Revolution, France was still one of the Five Great Powers right?
 
Sweden almost had one? Are you referring to the court party's coup the etat that re-established absolutism?

A French style revolution can happen when the nobility is either subservient of the crown or allied to it, and thus the conservatives are powerful enough to keep any liberal reform firmly out, until the kettle explodes under them, when the lid has been kept on for too long. France in 1789, most of the rest of Europe in 1848.

Sweden, IMHO, has a too large and too powerful class of free-holding farmers whose tradition to ally with the King against the nobility and being used to their old rights for a crown and/or nobility to keep them down until the kettle explodes full-time.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Do you mean revolution against a Tyrannic king and a reactionary nobility ending in some kind of bourgeois rule (Republic or Constitutional Monarchy), or do you include all those funny Revolutionary French Dictatorships and that amusing Bonaparte?
 
England.
It already had one of sort in Cromwell's times, and thank to enclosures and to rampaging industrialization had a big swarm of poor, overworked, abused, angry proletarians just near to the government seat
 
think the Netherlands could have one. in the mid 1770-1787 there was the fight between the orangists and the patriots. the last group being more republican, and counted quite an amount wealthy traders. the patriots were beaten and had to flee to mostly france. And I suspect that they had quite some influence on the french revolution.

you could have the patriots win, then you have your french style revolution, and with the patriots not going to france, you also most likely postpone the french revolution.
 
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