Where were the German troops June 22, 1941?

Take into account a very large Soviet air force.

Adolf: Quick Joe, let's take thousands of your troops on a suicide mission to Western Europe, without the proper number of airfields, or proper supplies, creating an ideal logistical situation. And then, let's have them fly missions, putting strange planes bearing Communist markings in the skies over Britain, which wont at all lead to friendly fire incidents, especially as half of them can't speak German and the other half don't have radios! Oh, and let's not forget about the RAF, they're sure to just let our vast, uncoordinated and undersupplied airfleets bomb them into oblivion. It wont at all be a turkey shoot.

Stalin: Indeed! And while we're at it, let's send the Red Army, which has demonstrated its vast logistical and operational acumen in the Winter War, to help with the invasion!
 
Yes, and intention in the 1940 raid the British aviation on Baku, more believable? And are willing to send the Anglo-French troops in Finland?:p

Which luckily never happened. But there is 0% proof of a Nazi-Soviet invasion of the UK ever even being contemplated, let alone planned. Hitler would have gnawed his own leg off rather than voluntarily allow Soviet forces into Denmark, let alone allowing them to participate in an red-tinged Unmentionable Sea Mammal.
 
Which luckily never happened. But there is 0% proof of a Nazi-Soviet invasion of the UK ever even being contemplated, let alone planned. Hitler would have gnawed his own leg off rather than voluntarily allow Soviet forces into Denmark, let alone allowing them to participate in an red-tinged Unmentionable Sea Mammal.

God knows. From Stalin's only one would expect, including a self-destructive invasion of England. It was after the war, he became cautious.
 
Adolf: Quick Joe, let's take thousands of your troops on a suicide mission to Western Europe, without the proper number of airfields, or proper supplies, creating an ideal logistical situation. And then, let's have them fly missions, putting strange planes bearing Communist markings in the skies over Britain, which wont at all lead to friendly fire incidents, especially as half of them can't speak German and the other half don't have radios! Oh, and let's not forget about the RAF, they're sure to just let our vast, uncoordinated and undersupplied airfleets bomb them into oblivion. It wont at all be a turkey shoot.

Stalin: Indeed! And while we're at it, let's send the Red Army, which has demonstrated its vast logistical and operational acumen in the Winter War, to help with the invasion!

This is ridiculous. But politics and knows more bizarre acts.
 
That was also massively out of date and would have allowed RAF pilots to run up kill tallies that looked more like Cricket scores as did the Luftwaffe on the eastern front.

In defense of the Soviet Air Force is to say that a greater number of aircraft in 1941, were not destroyed by the Germans, and burned on the ground because of a lack of gasoline. Employment same pilots were sent to the infantry, where he quickly died. Only in early 1942, an order was issued: send pilots and tank crews who lost their equipment in the rear to re-form. But it was too late.
 
I believe the real reason for the delay of the start of operation Barbarossa was not the Balkins campaign, but the bad weather in April and May 1941. The russian winter was prolonged and the spring rasputitsa was in full swing in april and may, 1941, the german mechanized divisions ( so important for blitzkrieg) were bogged down, and could hardly move. Remember what the fall rasputitsa did to the german army advance on Moscow.
 
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Soviet officers were probably there because they were just touring the country on business related to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact at a time when Stalin was in fervent denial of all the mounting evidence that Germany was going to break the pact.

There is not the slightest evidence of any intention on the Soviet part to join the war on Germany's side nor any evidence that Hitler, after November 1940, ever considered such a possibility. A German-Soviet Sealion is a ludicrous concept: the USSR in the 1940s is in a even worse position then the Germans to try that.

God knows. From Stalin's only one would expect, including a self-destructive invasion of England. It was after the war, he became cautious.

Uh, no. Stalin consistently acted with a great deal of caution in foreign affairs. Indeed, his unwillingness to provoke the Germans in June 1941 is indicative of this.
 
Wonder what happened to them.

Depending on when and where their trip ended they either got home safely before the invasion, were interred by the Germans and transferred back via a neutral country (which is what happened to the Soviet embassy staff), or were interred by the Germans then shipped off to a PoW camp to die.
 
Depending on when and where their trip ended they either got home safely before the invasion, were interred by the Germans and transferred back via a neutral country (which is what happened to the Soviet embassy staff), or were interred by the Germans then shipped off to a PoW camp to die.

As much as I would like to chose the latter option, it was probably the middle option. The Germans themselves had to get their own embassy and such out of the USSR.
 
Exchanged it for the Soviet embassy staff, if I recall correctly.

Ah! Makes sense.

I have heard that Luftwaffe pilots refused to strafe parachuting RAF pilots during the first year or so of the war, but I wouldn't have thought the higher ups would just give the Soviet embassy staff back to the USSR out of a sense of fair play or honor.


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Entertain the thought for a moment, could Hitler (ie, the Nazi higher ups) have been secretly communicating to Stalin (Soviet top brass) that they would jointly attack France and Britain?

My real question is, if Stalin did send troops across Germany for such an attack, would this put them in a good position to attack Germany at some point, or would they be effectively hostages to German logistics?

One would imagine the Soviets would want to control logistics, but the Germans would always keep units nearby 'to help defend them', probably plenty of dual-purpose anti-air and artillery batteries too.
 
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