There's a really good timeline that's on the same track as that.
Where do the Jewish people go if Israel ceases to exist early on?
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There's a really good timeline that's on the same track as that.
Heads up, that isn't Messianic Judaism. What you're thinking of is Haredi Judaism. The Orthodox Jews who you can often find protesting at Israeli/Zionist events. Messianic Judaism is how Christians describe themselves when they adopt Jewish rituals and attempt to synthesize Judaism and Christianity. Suffice to say, Jews don't take kindly to that.
They would have been massacred in place. There are many documented reports of arab leaders stating they would massacre the Jews . One said it would be reminiscent of the Mongol massacres. What happened to Gush etzion would have occurred all over had they been able. As for the assinine remarks of the Jews going back to Europe, the Poles made it clear they didn’t want the Jews back. The Americans and Canadians took some reluctantly. The Israeli s enacted a “law of return “ because no one made it easy or quick to bring in refugees
Why though? Didnt happen to the jews left in Europe. Why would it happen now?
More of them. Do you think Hitler would have gone through with the holocaust if there were only 0.5-1% the OTL number of Jews? Perhaps, but they would have been less of an 'issue' than OTL.
So, yeah, if South Africa is where a large portion of the Jews go to in the aftermath of a stillborn Israel, how do you think would it affect South African (and general African) history going forward.
I can use you as a source. Your Quote talked about the Arab Armies having to stop Palestinian mobs, and irregular forces from killing Jewish Civilians, and POW's. And you are distorting what I said. I said Palestinian Irregular forces, mobs, and the forces of the Mufti were the most bloodthirsty forces fighting the new Jewish State. I never said Palestinians were bloodthirsty people. Talking about what the SS did in WWII, is not implying that Germans are bloodthirsty people.
There were massacres of Jews in Poland. It was clear the Jews were not welcome to return to their prewar homes in many parts of Eastern Europe.
Germany only had about 500,000 Jews, but Hitler insisted they had to be excluded from Germany Society, and later during the war he ordered them to be killed. Ironically a greater percentage of German Jews survived then those from many other countries.
IIRC, there were 3.5 million Jews still in Europe by 1950. The population of Israel in 1950 was 1.37 million, which undoubtedly included Arab Christians, Druze and Muslims. Presuming the 1948 war is the instance where Israel is 'crushed', then the majority of Jews are still outside of Israel at this time. I imagine most of them would have stayed behind Warsaw Pact borders, unless the Soviets let them leave to other countries for some reason.
Obviously the Jewish Oblast was a 'thing', for lack of a better term, but i have to confess I've always mulled the idea of settling Jews in Central Asia instead of Russians, since they'd be almost entirely dependent on central Soviet rule.
Obviously the Jewish Oblast was a 'thing', for lack of a better term, but i have to confess I've always mulled the idea of settling Jews in Central Asia instead of Russians, since they'd be almost entirely dependent on central Soviet rule.
A Jewish return to Poland was impossible, they were not welcome. Stalin planned to deport the Soviet Jews to central Asia, but he died before the operation could be carried out. Half of the Jewish population was expected die there, due to the harsh conditions, and lack of proper shelter, and food. The anti-Semite Stalin supported the creation of Israel, in order to disrupt British domination of the Middle East. FDR promised the king of Saudi Arabia that he would never allow the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine. His death allowed Truman to reverse that policy. Chance events turned in the favor of the Jewish People, and saved them from two post war catastrophes.
If Israel loses the War of Independence, I could see Stalin pushing the Jewish oblast again. He only dropped his support for it after Zionism emerged as a mass-movement which he couldn't control. But a Jewish ASSR or even USSR would still be under his control, so maybe he doesn't purge the Jewish Communists and instead tries to embrace the remnants of the Zionist movement.
Of course he would, killing the Jews was a big cornerstone of National Socialism. And he wouldnt let the Eternal Jew get away, only because there are fewer of them.
True dat, but that still leaves a lot of Europe open. Personaly I believe most would go to the Anglosphere, probably because they would have the best experience there. Historical speaking. So USA, Canada & the UK.
More Jews coming to South Africa means that if the timing is right the United Party can beat the National Party and institute only their limited soft-form of segregation and eventual planned emancipation for all races, but more like than not I see the National Party winning and cut off non-Dutch/German white immigration even quicker than they did IOTL
Kielce comes to mind...
The results were striking. By the spring of 1947, the number of Jews in Poland – in large part arriving from the Soviet Union – declined from 240,000 to 90,000 due to mass migration. Many ended up in Palestine.
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Let’s face it anywhere a Jewish homeland is set up someone is going to claim the Jews stole it and the antisemites of the world will use it to justify their hatred
Because by 1940s all areas hospitable for human settlement were already inhabited, thus by default previous inhabitants should be kicked out of that land to make room for new settlers (unless newcomers want to live among previous inhabitants, but that makes building of ethnostate not feasible).
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