"Where Are We Going This Time": The Golden Age of Science Fiction

What should happen with the season summary updates?

  • Continue as is (might delay other updates)

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • Release them later, as supplementary material

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Cut out the OTL bits, only say what you've changed (might only be a temporary solution)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Stop them completely

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .

Timelordtoe

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Hello all.

Finally got the update done, only about 3 weeks after I said it would be. Did some serious changes to it in the end. Also, my mental state hasn't been very good, and to be honest, it still isn't great. I have, however, hit a bit of a creative flow. There's a lot of stuff that's really just up in the air at the moment in my personal life, so I can't guarantee an regularity.

Anyway, now the usual excuse bit is done, I get to tease something. I'm going to try my hand something that I've not seen anybody else try with a timeline like this before. More specifically, I'm getting someone else to try their hand at something, which I can then use for this. I'm not sure if or when it will be ready, but watch this space for a unique update within the next month or so.

Fare the well gentle readers.
 
Hello all.

Finally got the update done, only about 3 weeks after I said it would be. Did some serious changes to it in the end. Also, my mental state hasn't been very good, and to be honest, it still isn't great. I have, however, hit a bit of a creative flow. There's a lot of stuff that's really just up in the air at the moment in my personal life, so I can't guarantee an regularity.

Anyway, now the usual excuse bit is done, I get to tease something. I'm going to try my hand something that I've not seen anybody else try with a timeline like this before. More specifically, I'm getting someone else to try their hand at something, which I can then use for this. I'm not sure if or when it will be ready, but watch this space for a unique update within the next month or so.

Fare the well gentle readers.
Oh dear, hopefully things sort themselves out but in the meantime take as much time as needed to make sure your well. I'm certain folk can wait.

Anyway this was a good update, it makes me wonder if Strange Days gets made slightly earlier since Kathryn Bigelow and James Cameron are a being more prominent in the big budget scene.

Also seeing the 90s being different for comics is interesting, doesn't pop up much.
 
I have just read the entire thread, and I must say that I quite enjoyed it. My childhood ITTL will likely be a more interesting one was I was addicted to TNG during those tender years. The Marvel/DC parts are what intrigue me most because I wonder what those big plans are. On the Marvel side of things, Spider-Man is a given since he is the company's most popular character. Part of me hopes that the Fantastic Four are on the fast track as well.

If there is one critique I must make, it is that there was no mention of The Flash television series that ran on CBS from 1990-91. I bring this up as the series could have potentially been an answer to TNG and Doctor Who considering the character traveled through time and parallel universes back in the Silver Age of Comics. I would like to hope that it could have avoided the scheduling problems it had OTL and been renewed for at least one more season.

Another item on my personal wish list would be a Green Lantern film and perhaps a different fate for Hal Jordan ignominious one he received OTL in the comics with "Emerald Twilight." Possibly a heroic sacrifice similar to Barry Allen's in Crisis on Infinite Earths where he sacrifices his life to save Earth against Mongul and the Cyborg Superman after they destroy Coast City in the "Reign of the Supermen." (Provided that the storyline materializes ITTL.) I would nominate Keanu Reeves as Kyle Rayner.
 
Interesting chapter there.

This feels like the whole 90’s ‘grimdark’ period is going to go very differently with a lot of the novelty covers, needless crossovers, and ‘shock’ events seemingly taking place at DC, I wonder if Marvel avoids bankruptcy? Guess it depends on if Perlman(spelling?) still owns them and guts them while hiding behind shell companies.

Is the Paramount 4th network still on the cards? I seem to recall reading somewhere they where trying to win Marvel animation and live action away from Fox. TNG and X-Men on the same network...

Corman’s Fantastic Four is due about this period- with more money it might be a decent product, though with the success of the X-Men I could see another director getting it.
 

Timelordtoe

Monthly Donor



I've snipped your posts so this doesn't take up too much space.

Firstly, thank you to Pyro for your message. It always makes me happy to read when people have discovered the timeline. I know that most of you reading this won't interact much, but let it be known that I appreciate you all.

Strange Days is on the cards at some point, but as to when it gets made is dependant a lot on how the X-Men films go. I'm surprised that there are few timelines that explore the "speculator bubble" of the late 80s and 90s. It's something that could have gone much differently, with some very interesting potential effects. Ron Perelman still owns Marvel, but they've proven themselves to be a more valuable asset than in OTL, so he's not gutting them so much.

As for Spider-Man and The Fantastic Four, you can expect to hear some stuff in good time. They, along with the X-Men and the Hulk, were probably the most recognisable Marvel heroes of the time, and those of you familiar with how TTL's X-Men films went in OTL, you may eb able to hazard a guess as to who will be directing one of those two should a film be made.

In all honesty, the 1990 Flash TV show completely slipped my mind. I had intended to include it at some point, but other stuff got in the way. I don't much like retconning, but this is one time I may have to bite the bullet and go back to an earlier time than the present of TTL.

The DC Comics will be somewhat different. I'll keep your ideas in mind @Pyro, as they seem interesting. In all honesty, I've not really read too many comics, and those that I have read have been primarily Marvel. I've found it difficult to get into DC Comics, but I do still like the characters. As a result, you may see certain... biases appear from time to time, especially soon. I have something planned that will likely be very divisive, but interesting nonetheless.


And now for a more general update. The next update, which will be another "Where Are We Now" style one, is done, apart from the footnotes, which I add when I put it up on this site. After that, Doctor Who season 26, and those of you mindful of the time in-universe may be able to guess what will be starting to be mentioned with regards to that show. After that, TNG season 6, which should take us nicely into 1993. Part II will finish with the end of 1995, but I'm not entirely sure when we'll hit that just yet.

Also, I have good news with regards to the "project" I teased yesterday. With any luck, it should be done within the month, but it may take longer depending on when and what I hear back on another thing that's going on (hopefully within the next week or so on that). Rest assured that this probably won't affect releases of updates too much, as this will be in addition to the timeline, rather than an integral part of it.
 
This feels like the whole 90’s ‘grimdark’ period is going to go very differently with a lot of the novelty covers, needless crossovers, and ‘shock’ events seemingly taking place at DC, I wonder if Marvel avoids bankruptcy? Guess it depends on if Perlman(spelling?) still owns them and guts them while hiding behind shell companies.
Something to consider: this is also the same time Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld, etc. left Marvel to found Image Comics and they helped fuel the speculator boom with variant covers and grimdark characters. Then there are other publishers like Valiant and Malibu that also enjoyed a high degree of popularity before the speculator bubble popped. It would be interesting to see what would happen if those two can be spared the fates that befell them. Malibu was (sadly) one of the companies Perelman eviscerated because he wanted them for the computer coloring.
The DC Comics will be somewhat different. I'll keep your ideas in mind @Pyro, as they seem interesting. In all honesty, I've not really read too many comics, and those that I have read have been primarily Marvel. I've found it difficult to get into DC Comics, but I do still like the characters. As a result, you may see certain... biases appear from time to time, especially soon. I have something planned that will likely be very divisive, but interesting nonetheless.
I believe that an event like Zero Hour will have to occur at some point because the rampant retcons up to that point messed up so many characters (e.g. Hawkman) and forced the company to completely reboot the Legion of Super-Heroes.
 
Chapter XXX: "What Did I Miss?"

Timelordtoe

Monthly Donor
Part II, Chapter XXX: "What Did I Miss?"

“I’m glad we made that third Bond film, even if it did turn out to be disappointing. It was a lot of fun to be on set, and I think that often you have more fun on the set of a good film than a bad one. Of course, that wasn’t the most fun I’ve ever had on set, but that’s another story.”​

- Timothy Dalton speaking about his role as James Bond in the 1992 film The Property of a Lady. [1]


1990
1990 saw the release of the fourth season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and the twenty-fourth season of Doctor Who, which would see Hugh Laurie pass the role on to Siddig El-Fadil.

At the Cannes Film Festival in this year, the title of the upcoming James Bond film would be revealed. The Property of a Lady would be based on the short story of the same name, as Bond travels across the world trying to capture a Soviet double-agent that had gained access to sensitive materials from MI6.

Eurovision of 1990 would be much less controversial than its immediate predecessor. It would also see the only time that East Germany would participate in the contest, as Germany would reunify later that year.

The contest would be hosted in the Royal Festival Hall in London once more, following the United Kingdom’s victory the previous year. In 1990, the winner would be Iceland, with the song “Eitt lag enn” performed by Stjórnin. This would mark the first and only time that Iceland has ever won the contest.


1991
1991 saw the release of the fifth season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and the twenty-fifth season of Doctor Who.

1991 would bring the third Red Nose Day, which would raise £20 million. Two charity songs would be released for the event as one double-sided single, titled “The Stonk”.

Eurovision of 1991 would be hosted in Brighton, United Kingdom, after it became clear that there was no suitable venue for the contest in Iceland. Sweden would win the contest with "Fångad av en stormvind" by Carola, after being tied with France at 146 points. Sweden and France had equal numbers of 12 points, Sweden had 5 10-point scores whereas France had only two.


1992
1992 saw the release of the sixth season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and the twenty-sixth season of Doctor Who.

The seventeenth James Bond film, The Property of a Lady, was released in July 1992. It would receive mixed reviews, as critics were divided on how engaging the plot was. There was however, continued praise for Dalton’s Bond. The failure of the film at the box office would lead to Albert Broccoli’s departure from the series, leaving it in the hands of his daughter Barbara. Timothy Dalton would leave the role of Bond when his contract expired the following year. [2]

Eurovision 1992 would be hosted in Malmo, Sweden, following their victory the prior year in Brighton. The winner would be Ireland, with “Why Me?” by Linda Martin, written by two-time Eurovision winner Johnny Logan.

Much of the lead-up to the competition would be marred by the fact that there was a fixed limit on the number of countries that could participate in the competition, and in the past year many countries had gained independence from the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. This would lead to there being pre-selection rounds in following years, which would enable more countries to compete without overloading the final.


[1] The most fun he has ever had on set was alledgedly the car chase scene from Hot Fuzz.
[2] Some things don't change. I have plans for Bond for the rest of the timeline, but alas, they require that Dalton leaves.
 
Strange Days is on the cards at some point, but as to when it gets made is dependant a lot on how the X-Men films go. I'm surprised that there are few timelines that explore the "speculator bubble" of the late 80s and 90s. It's something that could have gone much differently, with some very interesting potential effects. Ron Perelman still owns Marvel, but they've proven themselves to be a more valuable asset than in OTL, so he's not gutting them so much.
It's a fascinating time and an odd period of comic history. It would be intresting if Image managed to stick around in a more prominent way, or if Dark Horse started try muscling in.

Also Strange Days is definitely a movie that would have to be made before 1996. 1995 has jokingly been called the year of Cyberpunk in which a number of Cyberpunk films came out, before imploding at the box office.

That all being said, a late 90s Strange Days could be fascinating.
 
It would be nice if someone like Dave Cockrum could find success with his Futurians project - perhaps at the Epic imprint of Marvel?

Valiant or Malibu surviving the speculator crash would make for some cool butterflies. Malibu had the Star Trek comic license at this time as well- perhaps they move/merge with Dark Horse?

Another change might be the Image Founders splitting- they famously did not get on that well and once Image starting slipping in the schedules (badly as well) the arguments got loud. Liefeld apparently using the Image name for his own vanity projects and the negative publicity that generated was enough to get him kicked out later. Perhaps McFarlane or Lee simply goes 'sod this' and leaves for Valiant? Alternatively, perhaps there is another set of founding artists?

Dalton was a good Bond, shame he didn't have the greatest scripts or movies OTL.

Ron Perelman remains a shark- his practice of using shell companies to raise funds is amazing. This documentary might give some ideas on what to do with Marvel regarding the bankruptcy.
 
Valiant or Malibu surviving the speculator crash would make for some cool butterflies. Malibu had the Star Trek comic license at this time as well- perhaps they move/merge with Dark Horse?
If Paramount is looking to get a piece of the superhero action, maybe they could look into buying the film rights to the Malibu properties if not buy them out completely (just so Ron Perelman wouldn't get his hands on them.) Prime would make for a good film.

Another change might be the Image Founders splitting- they famously did not get on that well and once Image starting slipping in the schedules (badly as well) the arguments got loud. Liefeld apparently using the Image name for his own vanity projects and the negative publicity that generated was enough to get him kicked out later. Perhaps McFarlane or Lee simply goes 'sod this' and leaves for Valiant? Alternatively, perhaps there is another set of founding artists?
I think McFarlane would more likely go to Malibu because they're more creator-friendly. He would most likely clash with Jim Shooter given the man's reputation.
 
Chapter XXXI: "Playing it Safe"

Timelordtoe

Monthly Donor
Part II, Chapter XXXI: "Playing it Safe"

“I hadn’t planned on a career in television. In fact, I swore that I would never work there. I also swore that I would never work in Los Angeles, but by 1992, I had done both. It was really nerve-wracking, going from complete obscurity to one of the leads in one of the biggest television shows of the time. But then, Sid had already done that, so he was able to help me through it all.”​

- Gillian Anderson on her role as Dr Rachel Vance, taken from An Adventure in Space and Time. [1]


To describe the atmosphere on the set of the twenty-sixth season of Doctor Who as one of unease would likely have been an understatement. The higher-ups at NBC were threatening cancellation should ratings not improve, and the rumours of Siddig leaving the role were not helping with the rampant fan speculation.

Despite the clear on-screen chemistry between Siddig and Anderson, the fact that they were both still relative newcomers to mainstream television made many of the producers uneasy. There were talks of firing Siddig and hiring a replacement, but that would likely reduce viewership even further, which could lead to cancellation. [2]


Andrew Cartmel, the showrunner, had had a great deal of creative freedom over the previous season, but it was the opinion of many of the producers that it was these risks that had resulted in the previous season being a failure. As a result, the show would stick much closer to its roots this season, rather than exploring the route that Cartmel had wanted. Siddig’s Doctor would be less dark than in the previous season, which had seen him manipulate his companion to further his own ends. [3]

Once on set, it was clear that Gillian Anderson would be a much better fit for a companion for Siddig’s Doctor than Teri Hatcher had been. The two quickly struck up a friendship, having worked together on the previous season’s finale “Love and War”, which resulted in Anderson being offered a role as the new companion.


The unexpected departure of Hatcher would mean that some of the scripts for the season would need to be reworked to accommodate the new companion, Dr Rachel Vance. Vance would be a departure from the previous companions of the American-produced era, as she would be from the future. While this could make her less relatable to the audience, it was the hope of the writers that Dr Vance’s familiarity with future technology would reduce the need for technobabble, as there would be fewer explanations as to how various devices in the plot would work.

The season would see the long-awaited return of Nicholas Courtenay as the Brigadier. Courtenay’s Brigadier had been a mainstay of the classic series, but had not appeared since the 20th anniversary special The Five Doctors. He would appear in the opening story of the season, Battlefield, which would see him join forces with the Doctor and Rachel to stop a sorceress from another dimension. [4]

J.E. Freeman’s Master would also make a return, as would Eric Idle’s Monk. Both had received a positive critical reception, and the recurring cast of “Gallifreyan rogues” proved to be incredibly popular among fans. [5]

In order to prove that the show was still viable, the producers made an effort to reduce the cost per episode. This would result in fewer guest stars, in much the same vein as the previous season, as well as an increased number of “bottle episodes” and other stories that would use props and costumes already available to the crew.


Shortly after the start of the airing of the twenty-sixth season, Siddig announced that he was not going to renew his contract beyond his third season, which would be season twenty-seven. Siddig said that while he was enjoying his time on the show now, he wished to move into a role where he would not be the main star, and would prefer to work as part of an ensemble. While Anderson would renew her contract for a second season, she also announced that season twenty-seven would be her last. [6]


Doctor Who began airing on the 23rd of November 1963, and 1993 would bring the thirtieth anniversary, as well as Siddig’s departure from the main role. Though the anniversary was a year away, plans had been being drawn up for a while. It had been decided that the anniversary story would be the finale to season twenty-seven, so as to enable Siddig’s regeneration into the as-yet-uncast Ninth Doctor.

The planned script, titled Lost in the Dark Dimension would see the return of all prior seven Doctors and a main role for Tom Baker’s Fourth Doctor, which remained a favourite among fans. The story would see the Doctor return to Logopolis, as a chronal being attempts to stop the Doctor’s regeneration into the Fifth Doctor.

However, whether the previous Doctors’ actors would be willing to return was unclear, especially in the case of Christopher Lloyd. [7]


As 1992 came, the future of Doctor Who was up in the air, and many fans were prepared for season twenty-six to be its last. Much as the show had unexpectedly stormed onto American televisions, it could just as quickly disappear. [8]


[1] Anderson's move to LA ITTL is not as a way to get a job in showbusiness, but rather because that's where Doctor Who is based.
[2] I was tempted to "Colin Baker" Siddig here, but as there is no Grade in charge, I figured he'd be given a second chance. Anyway, the producers don't want to have to get a last minute replacement.
[3] Expect him to be a bit more like Sylvester McCoy in his first season. The "Cartmel Masterplan" stuff is being toned down this season.
[4] Not the best story, but I think that in this situation, bringing back a fan favourite character could boost viewership ratings (of course, this story actually had the lowest ratings of any Classic Who story).
[5] I may or may not be working towards something here. If I were, the payoff wouldn't be for another few years in-universe though.
[6] The Troughton rule reigns supreme. I've announced it earlier for two main reasons. One, I want to see who you think I'll cast. Who knows, I may even drop in a hint. Two, with how much Siddig wanted out during season 1, he'll announce it as soon as he has the chance but when it won't affect the release too much.
[7] Dropping some hints for the 30th here. Should be a lot of fun. Already run the story by a couple of people, and I think I've got it nailed down.
[8] It's not all smooth sailing for the show. Gambles like Siddig might not always pay off.
 
Nice Doctor Who update there.

I can see Siddig and Anderson working well together.

30th Anniversary show will hopefully get all the Doctors, though I guess they can use clips like they did in the OTL War Doctor Special?
 

Timelordtoe

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You've all given me plenty to think about with regards to the comics industry of the 1990s, and I have some ideas as to where I will take things. As I'm sure you've noticed, the scope of this timeline is now larger than I had initially intended, which is a good thing, but it means that I'm going into areas I'm less familiar with, so I thank you all for helping me out in this regard.

Rest assured that the 1990s will remain an interesting time for comics, and there may be great changes to the industry.

On a side note, I'm currently writing the next update, which should be done by tonight, then I'll do the season's plots update. I'm also working on making some images to spruce this timeline up and make it a little easier on the eyes. I'll go through the timeline bit by bit, adding in alternate promotional photos and whatnot. Of course, this relies on me getting better with image editing skills, but that should be good fun to do.
 
Chapter XXXII: "Securing Your Future"

Timelordtoe

Monthly Donor
Part II, Chapter XXXII: "Securing Your Future"

“Season twenty-six was my least favourite to work on. It wasn’t just the thought that we might be cancelled, it was the fact that I wasn’t allowed to go down the route I wanted. In fairness, that ended up being for the best, but it wasn’t a great feeling at the time, to try something new, then be told that that was jeopardising the show’s future.”​

- Andrew Cartmel, taken from An Adventure in Space and Time. [1]


If Season 25 had been a test for Doctor Who, Season 26 was the final exam. While it didn’t have to deal with a completely new cast, the show’s reputation had been hurt greatly by the previous season, and word from NBC was that if the show’s ratings did not improve, they could be cancelled. As a result, the producers had decided to play this season much safer than before, staying true to the shows roots rather than taking it in the direction that Cartmel was wanting.

When promotion for the season began, it became clear to the fans that Siddig and Anderson shared a great deal of chemistry, and would make for an entertaining pair. Much as had been the case for Laurie, Crosby and Hanks, it was clear that the two were friends off screen as well as on-screen. [2]

Season 26 of Doctor Who was first aired on Sunday 17th of May, 1992. It was the fifth season of the revival series.


List of Episodes of Season 26 of Doctor Who: [3]
  1. Battlefield (Part 1)
  2. Battlefield (Part 2)
  3. First Frontier (Part 1)
  4. First Frontier (Part 2)
  5. The Element of Surprise (Part 1)
  6. The Element of Surprise (Part 2)
  7. Time of Your Life
  8. Survival (Part 1)
  9. Survival (Part 2)
  10. The Left-Handed Hummingbird (Part 1)
  11. The Left-Handed Hummingbird (Part 2)
  12. No Future (Part 1)
  13. No Future (Part 2)
  14. No Future (Part 3)
  15. Birthright (Part 1)
  16. Birthright (Part 2)
  17. Down Comes the Rain (Part 1)
  18. Down Comes the Rain (Part 2)
  19. Lucifer Rising (Part 1)
  20. Lucifer Rising (Part 2)
  21. Last of the Magicians (Part 1)
  22. Last of the Magicians (Part 2)
  23. Indigo
  24. This Sceptred Isle (Part 1)
  25. This Sceptred Isle (Part 2)
  26. This Sceptred Isle (Part 3)

Cast of Season 26 of Doctor Who:
  • The Eighth Doctor – Siddig El-Fadil
  • Dr Rachel Vance – Gillian Anderson
  • The Master – J.E. Freeman
  • The Monk – Eric Idle


Season 26 of Doctor Who was met with positive critical reception. Critics commented that Siddig’s performance had improved and that he worked much better with Anderson’s Dr Rachel Vance than he did with Teri Hatcher’s Isabella Gates. Ratings largely recovered, and it was clear that the American audience could deal with a Doctor that was not Hugh Laurie. [4]

The writing was also largely praised, though critics pointed out that it was clear that some of the episodes had been written with Hatcher’s Isabella in mind, but had had to be rewritten to accommodate Anderson.

NBC were pleasantly surprised by Doctor Who’s rebound, though one critic described the season as a “dead cat bounce”. As a result, they greenlit two further seasons, and set about casting the Ninth Doctor. [5]

The production team of Doctor Who, upon hearing this news, would collectively breathe a sigh of relief as they realised that their jobs would be secure for two more years. And Andrew Cartmel, the showrunner, would set about bringing his plans for Doctor Who into motion once more.


[1] The Cartmel Masterplan is on hold, but it'll be back soon enough.
[2] As Ogrebear has said, I could see Siddig and Anderson working well together.
[3] I've used a few VNAs here. I've removed Ace from the ones that involved her in OTL, but I'm not writing full synopses anyway.
[4] Doctor Who is safe for now. Season 25 will be remembered much as Season 1 of TNG is. A bit of a weak season in an otherwise very good show.
[5] As I've said before, I have the Doctor, and now companions, cast up to the modern day. I'm interested in seeing who you think I might go for here though. I'll give you a hint: they were involved with science fiction around this time in OTL.
 
Is 1992-3 too early to consider a black Doctor?

Perhaps they will go older again and go for gravitas and a more statesman like Doctor.

I hope they don’t try for a comedy casting though.
 
Is 1992-3 too early to consider a black Doctor?

Perhaps they will go older again and go for gravitas and a more statesman like Doctor.

I hope they don’t try for a comedy casting though.
Considering they just had a brown doctor. I don't think a black doctor is off the cards. Its very possible.

Also. I just got caught up. Really enjoying this. I have a deep love for the McCoy era so I like the sound of this doctor a lot.

Hmm the special could be interesting. Lloyd will be one of the doctors who might be hardest for them to get. But it all depends on the script for the others. OTL some of the actors hated the script because they got little to do. Theres also the issue of, if you try to give every doctor equal roles, Tom Baker might get big headed again.

Pat Trouton's still alive here, right? Will be fun to Have him with the others.

I also notice you have Anderson leaving in 93. This could mean interesting things for the show in which she's most known for OTL.

Really enjoying the timeline so far!
 
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Timelordtoe

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Hey everyone,

I'm writing this from my backup laptop, so I'm less familiar with the keyboard layout. My main computer may have broken, and this one doesn't have what I need to continue working on the timeline. If the data isn't recoverable, I won't technically lose anything, but until I have it fixed or a replacement, I can't really work on this. Sorry about all this, I'll keep you posted on when you can expect the next update, but at the moment I can't give you a time.
 
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