"Where Are We Going This Time": The Golden Age of Science Fiction

What should happen with the season summary updates?

  • Continue as is (might delay other updates)

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • Release them later, as supplementary material

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • Cut out the OTL bits, only say what you've changed (might only be a temporary solution)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Stop them completely

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .
[3] Thank you to Time Enough for this idea. I was originally going to use him elsewhere, but then I looked at his Wikipedia page and instantly thought: "Master"
Glad this is back and it's cool that your using J.E.Freeman, having seeing him in Millar's Crossing and Wild at Heart I can certainly tell he would be threatening and definitely more aggressive (it helps he's quite tall).

Of course I would how the press would react when it's found out that an actor in a major television show that's already leaned towards making LGBTQ+ friendly stories is HIV positive, alongside a non white actor (I could see more right wing papers kicking up a fuss about Doctor Who, ironically J.E. Freeman was rather conservative in nature).
 

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I'm very hyped for this part of the timeline. I can't wait to see what a darker 90s who looks like. I'm also rlly loving the casitng so far. If you want, i have some actors I'd like to see show up, that i could list. Keep up the good work!

Feel free to give suggestions for people for me to use in the timeline! The 90s Doctor Who is one of the areas I've had more fun planning. I've got some ideas I'm really looking forward to sharing.

Glad this is back and it's cool that your using J.E.Freeman, having seeing him in Millar's Crossing and Wild at Heart I can certainly tell he would be threatening and definitely more aggressive (it helps he's quite tall).

Of course I would how the press would react when it's found out that an actor in a major television show that's already leaned towards making LGBTQ+ friendly stories is HIV positive, alongside a non white actor (I could see more right wing papers kicking up a fuss about Doctor Who, ironically J.E. Freeman was rather conservative in nature).

Thank you for the suggestion to use J.E.Freeman! Right wing media isn't the biggest fan of Doctor Who or Star Trek here, given their outward support for and positive portrayals of LGBTQ+ characters. There may be another supplemental update in that, but I'm going to keep them good and spaced out, so it wouldn't be for a little while. Neither of the shows really make any overtly political statements, but it's more than clear where they stand on social issues. In much the same way that TOS was a show for the civil rights era, TNG and Who are making themselves the shows for the LGBTQ+ community.
 
Be interesting how other sci-fi is going in the late 80's-early 90's. Does Max Headroom, Galactica 80, Alien Nation, ALF, Babylon 5 happen?

There where rumblings about a Star Wars TV show - does Lucas let someone run with the idea? Does he get a burst of energy for Star Wars or does it totally die like it seemed too before Knights of the Old Republic and Thrawn books kicked it back into life?

Save Freddie Mercury!
 
Feel free to give suggestions for people for me to use in the timeline! The 90s Doctor Who is one of the areas I've had more fun planning. I've got some ideas I'm really looking forward to sharing.

Some people i think it would be fun to see pop up on Who or Trek: David Thewlis, Sarah Paulson, James Gandolfini.


Thewlis i could see as some kind of Time Lord villain. I just think Paulson is a great actress and she did a lot of TV work in the 90s so it would be cool to see her pop up, maybe as a companion but i assume you have those planned. Gandolfini i think would be interesting to see on Trek. On the same note, i could see Bryan Cranston popping up since he did a lot of monster voice work in the 90s.
 
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Be interesting how other sci-fi is going in the late 80's-early 90's. Does Max Headroom, Galactica 80, Alien Nation, ALF, Babylon 5 happen?

There where rumblings about a Star Wars TV show - does Lucas let someone run with the idea? Does he get a burst of energy for Star Wars or does it totally die like it seemed too before Knights of the Old Republic and Thrawn books kicked it back into life?

Save Freddie Mercury!

Galactica happens before the POD, so it's unchanged. I'll probably give the others an update of their own soon (just a general "what is other sci-fi doing right now" thing), but they'll be mainly the same. Alien Nation might last for a season or two longer. I have to keep Max Headroom for the Max Headroom hijacking incident if nothing else (the second of which actually interrupted a Doctor Who broadcast). I'm not 100% on what I'm going to do with Babylon 5, as it was a fairly major show, but one that I've never had the fortune to watch.

As far as Star Wars in concerned, there are plans, but there's been nothing big since Revenge of the Jedi. I've got a close friend who occasionally helps me out with the timeline (mainly he provides some Doctor Who stories, he wrote a couple last season, including most of the finale), and he's got some ideas that I'll probably use.

I am, in fact, saving Freddie Mercury. It will probably come up in one of the musical updates soon-ish.

Some people i think it would be fun to see pop up on Who or Trek: David Thewlis, Sarah Paulson, James Gandolfini.


Thewlis i could see as some kind of Time Lord villain. I just think Paulson is a great actress and she did a lot of TV work in the 90s so it would be cool to see her pop up, maybe as a companion but i assume you have those planned. Gandolfini i think would be interesting to see on Trek, he could maybe play Leslie's father. I actually think the whole cast of the Soprainos could be a good pool to pull from. On the same note, i could see Bryan Cranston popping up since he did a lot of monster voice work in the 90s.

All brilliant suggestions! I didn't have plans for any of them yet, but I'll probably work them in. As far as companions go, I've mainly got them planned out, with one glaring gap that you might have just filled. I'll have to see where I can work people in.


Just as a general note, if anybody has any actors they recommend for me to include, I'm more than happy to hear them. While I do often have plans, my knowledge of TV and film in the 90s is limited, as I didn't live through them.
 
Chapter XXII: "I Don't Know About You..."

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Part II, Chapter XXII: "I Don't Know About You..."

“I really wasn’t happy on the show. I got on alright with Siddig, as he went by back then. It was a change from my recurring role on Star Trek, no doubt. My time on the show was brief, and looking back, I’m in two minds as to whether I should have stayed. Things definitely got better, but I think part of that was that Siddig got someone that he had much more chemistry. I still watch the show, as do many other people that were on it at various points.”​

- Teri Hatcher, taken from An Adventure in Space and Time. [1]


Season 25 would be a test for Doctor Who. While the Doctor had changed before, multiple times, this was the first to occur entirely on the joint American-British production. How the next season went would act as a sign of how well the show could last in the US without the “dream team” of Laurie, Crosby and Hanks. If the show passed, it could cement itself as a staple of American television for the foreseeable future. If it failed, Doctor Who risked becoming a fad show that would only be remembered by a cult following. [2]

However, in interviews, it soon became clear that Siddig and Hatcher would not bring the same magic to the television that the audience had come to expect. Combined with the announcement of Hatcher’s departure and rumours that Siddig was trying to find a way out of his contract, the atmosphere leading to the release of the season was one of unease. Nobody wanted to be involved with the death of a major science-fiction franchise.

Season 25 of Doctor Who was first aired on Sunday May 12th of 1991 and was the fourth season of the revival series.


List of Episodes of Season 25 of Doctor Who: [3]
  1. Action at a Distance (Part 1)
  2. Action at a Distance (Part 2)
  3. The New and the Old (Part 1)
  4. The New and the Old (Part 2)
  5. Replay (Part 1)
  6. Replay (Part 2)
  7. Avatar (Part 1)
  8. Avatar (Part 2)
  9. For All Time (Part 1)
  10. For All Time (Part 2)
  11. Rassilon (Part 1)
  12. Rassilon (Part 2)
  13. Rassilon (Part 3)
  14. Ab Urbe Condita (Part 1)
  15. Ab Urbe Condita (Part 2)
  16. Remembrance of the Daleks (Part 1)
  17. Remembrance of the Daleks (Part 2)
  18. Shrine (Part 1)
  19. Shrine (Part 2)
  20. Illegal Alien (Part 1)
  21. Illegal Alien (Part 2)
  22. Dark Time (Part 1)
  23. Dark Time (Part 2)
  24. Love and War (Part 1)
  25. Love and War (Part 2)
  26. Love and War (Part 3)
Cast of Season 25 of Doctor Who:
  • The Eighth Doctor – Siddig El-Fadil
  • Isabella Gates – Teri Hatcher
  • The Master – J.E. Freeman
  • The Monk – Eric Idle

Unlike the seasons before it, Season 25 of Doctor Who was met with mixed reception. While praise was given to much of the writing, especially Remembrance of the Daleks, many critics complained that Siddig and Hatcher’s performances left plenty of room for improvement. Ratings had dropped significantly, leaving the future of Doctor Who uncertain.

While in the past, a future season was almost always guaranteed, the poor performance of Season 25 resulted in the production team being given an ultimatum. They had to vastly improve in Season 26, or the show would be cancelled. With a vacancy in the companion position, and a lead who desperately wanted out, there was unease in the production team.

If Season 25 was a test, Doctor Who had, by all accounts, barely scraped a pass. Change was needed, and quick. [4]


[1] As I've said before, neither Hatcher or Siddig are happy at the moment, but only one of them has an out at this point.
[2] That last bit nearly read "consigned to the sock drawer of history", but I realised that was nonsensical. Regardless, it's a phrase that made me chuckle so much I thought I had to share it with you.
[3] There's a little bit of everything here. A story from OTL, a few proposed ones, a couple of the VNA novels and a few ideas of my own. There's a long arc that will be set up here.
[4] Well, I hate to leave you all hanging, but there we won't actually get to Season 26 for a little while, certainly not if I keep on updating this slowly.

Just a little additional bit here that I wanted to add. I'll probably put this in the overview of Doctor #8 as well, but in case you couldn't tell, while this TTL's Six and Seven don't really have much of an OTL analogue, TTL's Eight is quite similar to OTL's Seven, down to the off companion in the first season. Of course, who is the next companion won't be ace as, you know, she's already been in it. Some of the Doctors will have OTL analogues, others are more unique to TTL. I'm really looking forward to showing you all some of them.
 
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Here's who could be the next Doctor: John Lithgow (he was the Doctor in Who's The Doctor by @DAv, and he played an alien disguised as a professor in Third Rock From The Sun)...
 

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Here's who could be the next Doctor: John Lithgow (he was the Doctor in Who's The Doctor by @DAv, and he played an alien disguised as a professor in Third Rock From The Sun)...

Lithgow's an actor that I've been trying to find a place for for a little while. He was actually the original cast for the Sixth Doctor ITTL, but left as he felt he didn't quite fit the part. In all honesty, I've pretty much got Doctor Who planned up to the modern day (and a little beyond). Don't let that discourage you from sending your ideas my way though. I love to hear who all of you think should play what part, as it can often give me ideas for where to use actors that I perhaps hadn't considered. If my editing skills improve, I might start making some alt-wikiboxes or alt-wikipedia pages to post here. One that would be high up on the list is the "List of actors considered for the role of the Doctor", which is a really interesting read anyway if you have a few spare minutes.

Overall, I'm trying to avoid using actors that have been used in other people's timelines, but by no means is that making a blacklist. I know for a fact that a couple of my casts are present in other people's timelines who have come before me (I believe that one has come to mind that uses Hugh Laurie, if I can find it, I'll link it). I make no secret of the fact that I have been inspired by the many other fantastic timelines on this website, a good amount of which have focussed on Doctor Who. Sorry if that's all a bit rambley, this was more of a stream-of-consciousness post. Again, if any of you have questions or suggestions, fire them my way, and I'll do my best to respond in a timely matter.
 
Overview of Season 25 of Doctor Who

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Overview of Season 25 of Doctor Who

Action at a Distance
In London 1991, safe-cracker and burglar Isabella Gates breaks into the house of a businessman, finding a strange alien artefact. Upon returning to her fence, he refuses to buy the artefact, as they cannot ascertain its purpose. Meanwhile, the newly regenerated Doctor lands in London, being found by passers-by, taking him to a hospital. The barely-conscious Doctor tries to explain that he must not go to a hospital, but is unable to escape.

The businessman returns to his home, finding that he has been burgled. He rushes to the cabinet that the artefact was in, finding it missing. Immediately, he calls an unknown party, telling them that “someone has taken the Shard”. He then shapeshifts, revealing himself to be a Zygon. Two other Zygons arrive, and they agree to track the signature of the artefact to find the thief.

The Doctor wakes in hospital, being offered some tea by a doctor. He takes it, but has difficulty in remaining conscious. When she tries to listen in to the Doctor’s heartbeat, she discovers that the Doctor has two hearts. Going to get help so that she can perform a full-body examination, the Doctor realises that he must get out of the hospital. He manages to escape through a window. The doctors return to the room, finding that the Doctor has escaped. They too reveal themselves to be Zygons, and begin to chase the Doctor down.

The Zygons tracking Isabella corner her and knock her out, carrying her to an unknown location. Meanwhile, the still disoriented Doctor is also captured by the Zygons, and taken to the same location. The Doctor and Isabella wake tied to chairs in the businessman’s house. They are interrogated, and Isabella starts to realise that the Doctor seems familiar to a story that her father told her about a strange man who saved his life from an aliens.

The Zygons reveal that the artefact is part of a larger machine that can be used to terraform Earth into a planet more similar to Zygor, their lost homeworld. While the machine is complete, it lacks a sufficient power source. The Zygons had planned to infiltrate UNIT and reverse-engineer technology for power, but with the Doctor’s TARDIS, they will be able to commence the plan immediately. While the Zygons work on the TARDIS, the Doctor manages to free himself and Isabella, and sabotages the Zygon terraformer. The Zygons return to subdue the Doctor, but the Doctor has called UNIT, who storm in and apprehend the Zygons.

The Doctor, now fully recovered from his regeneration, offers Isabella a place on the TARDIS after he realises that he was present at her birth, helping to deliver her. Isabella accepts, and they depart together in the TARDIS


The New and the Old
The TARDIS lands on Krass, a planet supposedly inhabited by a medieval-era society. When the Doctor finds them in the middle of an industrial revolution, years ahead of schedule, he suspects that alien influences may be at play. Soon enough, he finds an old enemy, with a new face. The Doctor and Isabella must try to find out why the Monk has taken an interest in Krass, and hopefully reverse the damage before it is too late.

Guest Star: Eric Idle as the Monk


Replay
The Doctor and Isabella arrive on Yarrick, following a repeating distress signal. Upon arriving on the planet, they find that the planet is stuck in a time loop after a disastrous attempt at creating a method of time travel. While at first the Doctor and Isabella appear immune to the looping effects, they slowly become integrated into the stream, as the Doctor tries to work with the inhabitants to reverse the effect.


Avatar
The TARDIS lands in Cornwall in 1927, where suspicion is rife. The locals speak of the dead rising up at night, and a cult has begun operating in the area, praying to an ancient Silurian god. The leader of the cult finds an artefact in the area and discovers that it is a piece of the god he worships. When the cult begins to use anachronistic technology to create a new body for the god, and bring about a new Silurian era, the Doctor and Isabella must act quickly to stop them.


For All Time
The Doctor and Isabella arrive in The Archive, a Matrioshka brain constructed in the far future to house the minds of distinguished humans who have died. The Doctor plans to consult an old friend, but soon finds that something is happening to the simulated world, and that an old enemy is using the processing power for his own gain. The Master plans to use the combined thought patterns of the best of humanity to create a supercomputer that can plan conquest on a hitherto unfathomed scale.

Guest Star: J.E.Freeman as the Master


Rassilon
The Doctor is summoned back to Gallifrey by the High Council of Gallifrey. They explain that the Key of Rassilon has been stolen by an unknown party that the Time Lords fear is using the Key to construct a Demat Gun to remove the Time Lords from history and develop time travel to conquer the universe. The Doctor tracks the Key down and finds the Monk working with the Sontarans to create a decisive end to the Sontaran-Rutan war. When the Doctor reveals that the Sontarans are actually planning to destroy the Time Lords, old enemies must work together to overcome a powerful foe.

Guest Stars: Eric Idle as the Monk
Michael Palin as the Time Lord Chancellor


Ab Urbe Condita
The TARDIS arrives in the Kingdom of Rome, during the reign of the last King, Tarquin the Proud. The people of Rome are close to an open revolt, but Tarquin is keeping them suppressed with the help of alien benefactors, who are masquerading as masked Roman soldiers. When the Doctor and Isabella are arrested for being present at a riot, they meet Lucius Brutus, who is to lead the rebellion. But when it becomes clear that there is more to the story of revolution than would first appear, the Doctor and Isabella must work to preserve history.


Remembrance of the Daleks
The Doctor and Isabella arrive in Shoreditch in 1963, where they are met by a military unit tracking abnormal magnetic fluctuations. They track one to Coal Hill School’s basement, where they find a teleporter linked to a Dalek ship in orbit. Another fluctuation comes from a Dalek in a nearby junkyard. Two factions are present, the Imperial Daleks loyal to the Dalek Emperor, and the Renegades, who go against the Emperor’s authority. Both sides search for the Hand of Omega, a powerful device that the Doctor hid on Earth when he first visited Earth with his granddaughter. If either side claims the Hand, then the Daleks will be able to develop time travel and get control of the universe. In order to keep the universe safe, the Doctor must risk revealing that there is more to him than he would admit to.


Shrine
The TARDIS arrives in Russia in 1865, where a circus is showing off the “Man with a Head of Stone”, which the Doctor recognises as a Lapidhom, a rare alien species. The Doctor and Isabella go to talk to it after the show. It explains that it, and others of its kind, are on Earth to search for their God-King. However, when they free the Lapidhom, the ringleader informs the military, who chase down the Doctor and Isabella, who join the quest to find the Lapidhom God-King.


Illegal Alien
The Doctor and Isabella arrive in Blitz-torn London, where they run into Cody McBride, an American expatriate. Cody reveals that he saw a silver sphere fall from the sky, which he believes to be a German weapon. Cody tells that the sphere opened, revealing a metal man inside, which the Doctor identifies as a Cyberman. When Cody also talks of a series of murders that have taken place, the Doctor decides to investigate to see if there is a connection.


Dark Time
The TARDIS receives a distress call from a planet that claims to be under attack from vampiric creatures. Upon arriving on the planet, the Doctor and Isabella find that there are Great Vampires that have taken control of the planet. The threat that the Great Vampires might return and attack Gallifrey once more is too great for the Doctor to leave this unattended, and he begins a resistance against the Vampires.


Love and War
The TARDIS lands on Heaven, a planet in the 26th century that is used as a graveyard by Humans and Draconians. The Doctor claims to be visiting to find a book, and during the visit, Isabella falls in love with Jan, an anarchist. However, the Doctor is opposed to the romance, and investigates far more than just the book he can to retrieve. This attracts the attention of young archaeologist Dr Rachel Vance, who begins to follow the Doctor to try to understand what his true motivation is.

At the end of the story, Isabella leaves the Doctor after he betrays her in order to save the planet. However, Dr Vance joins him, seeing that he is capable of great good.

Guest Star: Gillian Anderson as Dr Rachel Vance


Little footnote section here. Again, this is too big an update for me to do individual footnotes. This is probably the weakest season so far, from both an in and out of TL perspective. Had a bit of a harder time writing this, in part because I really wasn't feeling the Siddig-Hatcher duo. However, you may be able to see who the next companion will be. Dr Vance will be somewhat of a Bernice Summerfield expy, but only really in premise, rather than personality. I'll cover a little more on the casting later, probably when Season 26 comes round. It might not quite seem it yet, but there is are a couple of arcs that I've set up. One you will see the resolution of rather soon, another... it's a little further down the line. I'm trying to bring more of the classic monsters back into the show, in part because I'm not great at creating alien names.

Alright, little monologue over. Next update will be a quick summary of the Eighth Doctor, as I did for 6 and 7. After that, we'll take a bit of a break from Doctor Who and Star Trek (with one sort of exception). There's a good amount of music related stuff that has been written by @Drorac, and that should be coming up soon enough. As always, any questions, send them my way.
 
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The Doctor and Isabella arrive in Shoreditch in 1963, where they are met by a military unit tracking abnormal magnetic fluctuations. They track one to Coal Hill School’s basement, where they find a teleporter linked to a Dalek ship in orbit. Another fluctuation comes from a Dalek in a nearby junkyard. Two factions are present, the Imperial Daleks loyal to the Dalek Emperor, and the Renegades, who go against the Emperor’s authority. Both sides search for the Hand of Omega, a powerful device that the Doctor hid on Earth when he first visited Earth with his granddaughter. If either side claims the Hand, then the Daleks will be able to develop time travel and get control of the universe. In order to keep the universe safe, the Doctor must risk revealing that there is more to him than he would admit to.
Does the Dalek rise up the Stairs?
Does Isabel fight a Dalek with a Baseball Bat?
 
Nice update. Lots of 'one off' episodes there as opposed to any sort of arc(s). Guess that lack of a 'meaty' plot didn't help the actors and public's appreciation for this season.
 

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Does the Dalek rise up the Stairs?
Does Isabel fight a Dalek with a Baseball Bat?

Yes to both of those, but given the placement of the Dalek rising up the stairs, I'm not sure that it becomes a cliffhanger though.

Nice update. Lots of 'one off' episodes there as opposed to any sort of arc(s). Guess that lack of a 'meaty' plot didn't help the actors and public's appreciation for this season.

Yeah, this is sort of a return to the earlier Laurie style, but it hasn't quite worked, as it's following up the massively popular Season 24, which will be seen as something of a high in retrospect.


On another note, I just wanted to put this little notification out: I'm going to try to use more graphics in the timeline from now on. This applies to the old updates too, which I'm slowly going to start updating with media (if it is possible). I'll try to avoid it impacting release times, as they're bad enough already. My graphic skills aren't great at the moment, but this is a good opportunity for me to get better in a low-risk environment. I know that I generally get more invested in a timeline if there's graphics accompanying it, so I'm going to give it a shot with this. Wish me luck, and hopefully, I should see you all soon with another update.
 
Good update! I've always felt that the Monk would make a brilliant recurring for, and Idle is great casting. A Summerfield type is a good idea for a companion for Siddig. And Gillian Anderson is always brilliant so that's a good shout. New Adventures Stories being written into the show could lead to some amazing stories in the future . I'm interested to see what other Wilderness Years expanded universe content gets worked in.

I think the use of classic monsters is well done. I think the Great Vampires being used again is really interesting and could lead to some interesting things for the future. I really like where this is going.
 
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(DW) The Eighth Doctor - Profile

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The Eighth Doctor (1991-1993)


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Siddig El-Fadil
Siddig El-Fadil as the Eighth Doctor, in his usual garb. [1]
The Eighth Doctor was portrayed by British actor Siddig El-Fadil (later known as Alexander Siddig). With only two on-screen roles prior to his casting, one of them on the Season 23 story Seven Pillars of Wisdom, the casting of Siddig was controversial to many fans of the show.

Critical response to the Eighth Doctor was, at the time, mixed, in part due to Siddig’s darker take on the character of the Doctor. More modern reviews have, however, been much more favourable, citing the outward darkness of the Eighth Doctor as a cornerstone of the character from that point onward. The stark contrast from the Seventh Doctor was jarring to many audience members at the time, though the Eighth Doctor has become more popular among fans in the years since Siddig’s departure from the role.

The Eighth Doctor’s first season would see a large drop in ratings that would begin to recover over his later seasons. This was, in large part, due to the lack of chemistry between Siddig and Teri Hatcher, who portrayed his companion Isabella. Despite this rocky start, his later seasons were much better received. [2]


The Eighth Doctor’s attire was much more simple than his predecessors. The majority of the time, he opted for a grey suit with a blue and black tie. Despite his forgoing of the question mark motif of previous incarnations, the Eighth Doctor was, in many ways, a more mysterious character.

His attire would earn him the nickname “the businessman of time and space” from his companion Isabella. Despite the occasional mockery, the attire of the Eighth Doctor would set a trend for many future Doctors, who also opted for similar suits.


Despite his eventual success in the role, his experience on Doctor Who would lead to Siddig avoiding roles where he would be the main character, instead opting for more supporting roles. In part due to the initial backlash against his portrayal, Siddig would not appear at many conventions, though this would change later in his career. [3]


The Eighth Doctor would first appear in the final part of Season 24 story The Valeyard, though his first major outing was in Action at a Distance the following season.

The Eighth Doctor would have two main companions in his time on-screen: Isabella and Rachel, portrayed by Teri Hatcher and Gillian Anderson respectively. Expanded Whoniverse material gives additional companions, but many exist in a state of grey-canonicity. While Isabella would leave after the first season, Rachel would remain for the remainder of Siddig’s tenure as the Eighth Doctor.


The Eighth Doctor, due to the length of the seasons, would end up quickly becoming a Doctor with higher screen-time. Due to his somewhat divisive portrayal, his position in rankings of the Doctors varies greatly, though devoted fans tend to rank him higher. [4]


[1] Unsurprisingly, this still is actually taken from Our Man Bashir, because there's so few images of Siddig in a suit.
[2] While the Seventh Doctor of TTL is much more of an original character, I'm trying to make each of these Doctors distinct from any OTL Doctor (with two or three exceptions). Despite this, Eight of TTL is quite clearly inspired by Seven of OTL.
[3] This is a little hint for the future.
[4] I'm not sure that "more devoted fans" is exactly the right phrase, but I'm sure that you can all see what I'm getting at. Casual fans tend not to like his episodes so much, in much the same way that Capaldi is for some.
 
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I think this role is one Siddig would grow into as he got more comfortable. I suspect his performances at the end bear little resemble to the start.

Very likely that after Siddig no Doctor actor was employed with so little major role experience.
 

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Good update! I've always felt that the Monk would make a brilliant recurring for, and Idle is great casting. A Summerfield type is a good idea for a companion for Siddig. And Gillian Anderson is always brilliant so that's a good shout. New Adventures Stories being written into the show could lead to some amazing stories in the future . I'm interested to see what other Wilderness Years expanded universe content gets worked in.

I think the use of classic monsters is well done. I think the Great Vampires being used again is really interesting and could lead to some interesting things for the future. I really like where this is going.

Thank you! I've only really found out about the Wilderness Years content recently, and as Doctor Who is still being made at that point ITTL, I figured that I'd bring in some of the writers of those stories to the show. I'm trying to bring in more classic monsters, and I expect many of you will cotton on to something that I'm starting to sow the seeds for.

I think this role is one Siddig would grow into as he got more comfortable. I suspect his performances at the end bear little resemble to the start.

Very likely that after Siddig no Doctor actor was employed with so little major role experience.

Indeed. I have the Doctor cast up to the modern day, and Siddig is the last person to be unknown when cast as the Doctor. ITTL, Siddig was mainly cast based on his appearance in Seven Pillars of Wisdom, which was his first real role in anything. He'll be the Doctor for a little while now, but this will be his last real "starring role" outside of any ensemble casts. At some point I may make a post following what the actors who have played the Doctor did after they left the role.
 
New Adventures Stories being written into the show could lead to some amazing stories in the future . I'm interested to see what other Wilderness Years expanded universe content gets worked in
As someone who read the New Adventures books and then the Missing Adventures books. Yes they had some good writers and some good stories, that will make good TV. And they also had a lot of C--p. At times ,the New Adventures had characters swearing just to swear and having Sex because that made the Story Mature. (It really did not but that what the publisher and the writers thought) There were a lot of books that had good stories and horrible secondary plots. Some of the Books are great but would be impossible to adapt as TV show.(IE Bloodheat. Great Idea. Good Book but you never going to do London as a Jungle with Dinosaurs on a BBC budget. )
So please be careful with the ideas that you take from the New Adventures.
 
Chapter XXIII: "Fans, Conventions, Spinoffs, and the British Invasion"

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Part II, Chapter XXIII: "Fans, Conventions, Spinoffs, and the British Invasion"

One cannot truly discuss the success of a franchise without an acknowledgement of the impact that the fans inevitably have. The realm of science-fiction is no exception to this rule, in many ways, it relies more heavily upon it. [1]


The decision to bring Doctor Who to the US had greatly expanded its fanbase. The success of the brief film franchise, now considered a modern classic, coupled with the revived television series had resulted in a much greater public exposure than before. Fan conventions would begin to pop up across North America, many of which would manage to book actors involved in the show at various points.

The Doctor Who Appreciation Society (or DWAS) also opened an American offshoot, the American Doctor Who Appreciation Society (ADWAS). Much as the British society had elected an honorary president in Jon Pertwee, the American society would soon find their own figurehead in Patrick Troughton. The mock-antagonism between the two actors would only be furthered by this development. [2]


Star Trek had always maintained a large fanbase in North America, with a decent overseas fandom as well. The continued success of The Next Generation would only serve to bring more people in, and Star Trek conventions would continue to be a somewhat common occurrence. Star Trek, in part due to the greater exposure that it had received for the majority of its run, did have more outspoken celebrity fans. Some would occasionally turn up at conventions, and many persons who would later appear in the franchise would admit to having attended conventions in their youth.


The British origins of Doctor Who and many actors now appearing on American televisions led to the terming of the “Third British Invasion”, although many considered it an offshoot of the primarily musical “Second British Invasion”. As a result of the popularity of British import Doctor Who, other British shows would begin to be given reruns in North America, as other networks hoped to cash in on the popularity of British television. [3]

Despite this, the majority of the shows soon died out in popularity, as it became clear just how vastly different British and American television networks were. However, some shows did see something of a revival as a result of this newfound exposure. Most notable were Blake’s 7 and The Avengers, and talk soon spread of American revivals of these shows.[4]

Terry Nation, who now resided in the US, had in fact been trying to revive Blake’s 7 in conjunction with actor Paul Darrow for some years. The success of Doctor Who had proven that there was a market for a show like Blake’s 7 in North America. The suggestion that Blake’s 7 and Doctor Who in fact existed in the same universe had been brought up by Blake actor Gareth Thomas and Tom Baker, who were close friends. Although Terry Nation was less keen on the notion, the thought of reviving Blake’s 7 with a back-door pilot through Doctor Who was an exciting one.[5]


Doctor Who was not the only franchise where a spin-off was being considered. With the continued success of The Next Generation, there were mutterings of a new Star Trek show in many Paramount offices. In stark contrast to The Next Generation, the proposed show was to take place primarily on a space station. Hesitantly titled Deep Space Nine, the show would be greenlit in late 1991, although the project would not enter production until 1993 for various reasons. [6]


Another show that would increase in popularity due to the “British Invasion” was the situational comedy Red Dwarf. During the height of the Invasion, Red Dwarf was in the middle of airing its fourth, penultimate, season. With Grant and Naylor having made it clear that the fifth season would be the final one, executives at Universal Studios began plans to purchase the rights to an American remake, with an aim to air in 1993. [7]


[1] No intro quote to this chapter, in part because this is more of an ascended supplemental update that I realised I had put too much non-supplemental stuff in.
[2] Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee were, by all accounts, good friends. Despite this, their characters always seemed antagonistic to each other. I felt that it was only appropriate that this mock-competitiveness was reflected by the American and British chapters of the DWAS
[3] While they won't be given quite the same level of detail I'm giving Trek and Who, I'm going to be bringing in more shows to the timeline. It's more that the scope is naturally expanding than my wanting to cover certain areas to be honest.
[4] I do love to drop hints at plans, especially when they come to me in the course of writing an update.
[5] In all honesty, I'm not sure that I'd want Blake's 7 as a part of the DW universe, but it doesn't not make sense. A backdoor pilot may occur. It's all dependent on what happens down the line.
[6] Many of you may realise what this means, beyond the fact that DS9 would air a year later at the earliest. I've been dropping hints for something, and I'm laying the groundwork now. Personally, DS9 is my favourite of the Star Trek shows, but there will be many changes to it.
[7] And now it's clear why I've been mentioning Red Dwarf while ignoring some other sci-fi franchises, beyond saving Graham Chapman for a while. I've got plans for it. You may also notice that I've stopped it at season 5, make of that what you will.

Alright, slight slump over. I wasn't quite sure how to tackle this update, because it started as a supplemental one about the fandom, but sort of spiralled into a fully relevant update, which is why it's now Chapter 23. Next update will be on S4 of Red Dwarf, then a BIG musical update, done in part by user @Drorac. After that, back to Trek for S5. This update helped me to work out what I wanted to do with a couple of franchises (that I didn't mention this update), and I'll apologise in advance for what I'm going to do. Once more, any questions, send them my way. There's a couple of comments here that I'll reply to once this is done, I just wanted to get this out first.
 

Timelordtoe

Monthly Donor
As someone who read the New Adventures books and then the Missing Adventures books. Yes they had some good writers and some good stories, that will make good TV. And they also had a lot of C--p. At times ,the New Adventures had characters swearing just to swear and having Sex because that made the Story Mature. (It really did not but that what the publisher and the writers thought) There were a lot of books that had good stories and horrible secondary plots. Some of the Books are great but would be impossible to adapt as TV show.(IE Bloodheat. Great Idea. Good Book but you never going to do London as a Jungle with Dinosaurs on a BBC budget. )
So please be careful with the ideas that you take from the New Adventures.

I'm interested to see what (if any) big finish stories and such get worked in.

Im going to reply to these two in one, becuase they both pertain to adaptations of Extended Universe material for Doctor Who. I'm going to be honest. I've not read any VNA books, and I've only listened to a few Big Finish Audios (mainly Dark Eyes, I've liked everything so far though, would get more but it just isn't in my budget).

I'm being careful with the VNAs. I'm trying to stick to ones with Big Finish Adaptations because, from what I've gathered, they tend to be the better ones. We won't be seeing too many mature themes in Doctor Who anytime soon, that sort of stuff is better left to Torchwood-esque shows. I'm going to adapt a few Big Finish stories, in part because many of the writers of those wrote DW novels, and many of those are being brought in to work on the show, as it's running in the 90s now. While I'm trying to go my own way with most characters, there are a few I do just poach from Big Finish or VNAs (the new companion is one). In addition, I'm trying not to make the show perfect. I won't be losing any sleep if I end up using the story from a sup-par novel, becuase you know, episodes like Love and Monsters exist IOTL (tbh, for me that episode actually has a couple of saving graces, but you can probably work out what the big one is from well, what you've seen of my musical tastes). Much as I'm trying to keep DW successful, some dud episodes are a given. Sometimes a bad script will fall through. But as time goes on, more and more stories will be original (i.e. from me, @Drorac, or our esteemed colleague who does not have an account (he did write the George III episode in S24 of DW though)).

I hope I've allayed your fears if you had them, and given you hope for the future of Doctor Who in-universe.
 
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