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Cartoon City was mixing Hanna-Barbera classics with original, often third-party content, be that reruns of Seth MacFarlane’s musical-esque reboot of The Flintstones from CBS Primetime or Kickin’ Studios’ stylized, anime-inspired Dexter’s Laboratory
I'm glad Dexter's Laboratory survived the butterflies, also I love the flintstones Reboot wonder if this will replace Family Guy.
But it was also, controversially, starting to experiment with more adult fare, leading to the post-watershed Adult Swim lineup starting in 1997 with insane adult reframing of old HB IP as Harvey Birdman, Ace Attorney and Sea Lab 2022.
Yeah Adult Swim.
Also if the Ace Attorney series still exists they will need be renamed in the West I think.
The success of Adult Swim would spawn competing post-watershed blocks like Toon Town’s Pleasure Island and Neptune’s NGAGE block, the latter name chosen after the somewhat-suggestive Uranus was overwhelmingly rejected and Pluto abandoned after the legal team feared a lawsuit by Disney.
Lol
Warner’s Neptune by this point was looking for new options in general. It was winding down the popular Star Snakes, a sci-fi cartoon made by Zodiac Entertainment[1] that premiered in 1990 and is sometimes considered the “last of its kind” following in the footsteps of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlesand the rest of the 1980s Merch-Driven shows. It focused on heroic alien snakes led by the heroic Vipmed who land in Arizona after escaping space pirates who attacked the ark taking members
of their race, the Serpentines, to build a colony on a jungle planet after meteor destroyed their home world. They are initially hostilely received on earth, but slowly gain the trust of humans starting with social marginally people but later turn most of the general public to their side, particularly as they help protect earth from the villainous Deathrattle and other often otherworldly threats. Star Snakes was praised for its message of how looks and people can be deceiving, and the importance of communicating, trying to get along with people who are different, and being honest and trustworthy. The Star Snakes toy line, made by Olmec toys, became quite popular in the early 1990s.
Star Snakes truly sounds like it belongs in the 80s and I mean that in a good way.
But if Star Snakes offered an interesting “last of its kind”, animator Stephen Hillenburg, who’d worked on My Dog Zero, would produce something radically different and even surreal. Long a fan of the ocean and oceanic life, and a fan of Ween’s The Mollusk, which lingered in his mind, Hillenburg pitched an idea called Intertidal, primarily centered around an anthropomorphic sponge narrating a story of life in the ocean’s intertidal zone. It would eventually evolve into 1997’s radically weird and deliberately immature SpongeBoy[2], which followed the painfully-naïve titular sponge as he adapted to adulthood despite his childish immaturity. The show in some ways followed on from the Hoerk & Gatty vein, being silly, surreal, and boundary-pushing, but also took inspiration from Dexter’s Lab and Trout Manas well, with some cinematic, anime-inspired action, but surrounding the lowest of stakes from stealing a secret recipe for fast food to discovering what someone was getting for their birthday gift. It regularly mixed in non-sequitur aspects like live action segments, alternate animation styles (like stop motion or anime inspired), and genre shifts (suddenly becoming a romantic comedy halfway through an adventure plot only to then go full slapstick-pie-fight. The sheer insanity of the mix of differing tropes, all done with a madcap, slapstick surrealism, captured a wide audience from young kids to stressed-out adults. Largely G-rated, it
occasionally pushed into PG.
Spongebob sounds wild in this Timeline.
I guess without working on Rocko's Modern Life he's a bit more zany and boundary pushing.
Fox was grabbing a surprising market share both on Fox Family and the Fox Kids block on PFN due in particular to their control of the popular Star Trek and Star Wars distribution licenses, with Triad Television President Lucie Salhany feeling that it was time to compete in the crowded sphere.
Wow Star Wars and Star Trek on the same block the nerds are gonna love it.
To carve out a niche, Cube would look to the many science fiction properties in the library of Triad and Filmation and make them the focus, with the bumpers and adverts being space-themed. Naturally, Star Wars and Star Trek were the flagships of the channel, with Planet of the Apes being an honorary third tentpole. Behind them came revivals of Filmation’s shows, like Neo BraveStarr and a clunkily-titled reboot of Masters of the Universe titled He-Man and She-Ra: Protectors of the Power Universe. Both reboots would be marginally successful for the channel, but the He-Man and She-Ra reboot would give the two Eternian heroes their dues as genuine superheroes.
Planet of the Apes sounds interesting, how would a cartoon based on the movies work?

Also BraveStarr is kinda underrated, so I love to see the revival.

I hope the new He-Man and She-Ra show explores more of the lore and isn't bound by action figures design wise. Also please no Skeletor with eyeballs
One of the most successful was Mummies: Warriors of the Dead, an action cartoon that would be co-produced between it and Ivan Reitman’s Northern Lights Entertainment, about a group of living mummies who defend an archaeologist mother and her son from an evil sorcerer due to the son being the reincarnation of the god Ra. Originally made for syndication, the second season would air on Kid Kingdom, a natural fit given the channel’s initial Ancient Egyptian theme. The series would even gain a crossover with Universal’s The Mummy in a TV film titled Mummies: Tomb of Imhotep.
Sounds interesting, I was super into ancient Egypt as a kid so I'll watch that.

Also if Kid Kingdom needs some more Egyptian shows I have some ideas:
Wayward Entertainment, meanwhile, would partner with artist and writer Everett Peck on his cult classic Trout Man, the story of Gil Troutman (Will Ferrell), a simple North Carolina river trout mutated by the radiation from nearby Barium Springs, which was polluted by the machinations of the evil urban sprawl developer C. R. Copperplate (Wallace Shawn), who is in reality a mutated cockroach attempting to engineer the environmental collapse of human civilization, in large part through the creation of soul-sucking poorly planned gray-space urban sprawl, to make the world safe for his “kind”. He is doing this with his nefarious 2-X Machine (pronounced “deuce-ex”). It was an idea inspired by a road sign[6] Peck encountered while driving back to New York following a failed pitch to Hanna-Barbera in Atlanta.
The T-rated series, which ran from 1993-1997 on FX, was unapologetically politically incorrect with Troutman a horrible, self-righteous jerk and borderline sociopath whose worst impulses got even worse when assuming the mantle of Trout Man. A running gag of the show involved Virginia Pine being in love with the seemingly unassuming Gil Troutman and appalled by his arrogant and mansplaining “heroic” alter-ego, even as Troutman assumed that the opposite was true and constantly tried to impress her as Troutman, usually accidentally foiling her ingenious efforts to expose and stop Copperplate’s evil plans as he “saved” her again and again.
Lol what a weird but wonderful show. Must watch.
Trout Man, in turn, allegedly inspired Howard the Duck[7], a UPA/Disney collaboration starring Jason Alexander as the titular foul-mouthed fowl. Playing on Disney’s Pleasure Island block, the series represented the first collaboration between Disney and the “Commies down the river” as Walt and his executives had derisively called the founders of the original UPA, who were disgruntled former Disney employees. Famous for its irreverent topical humor and willingness to bite the hands that fed it, it would also have Marvel heroes show up in small roles and cameos, often to their detriment. Spider Ham was a frequent guest, and “friendly nemesis” for Howard. Additionally, Marvel “in jokes” were common, such as plots involving Tony Stark’s alcoholism, Wolverine’s “anger management” issues (with Professor Hulk as his “sponsor”), or Howard trying to solve a mystery in regards to an obviously-abusive Hank Pym towards Janet Van Dyne. It would run for four seasons and remains a cult classic.
That's just perfection. I wonder how weird it's going to be when all these characters make the jump to the MMU and people will need to remind themselves that those are different incarnations. Especially with Ant Man.
And perhaps most bizarrely, Bird Brain developed Starman: The Animated Series (1994-1999)[8], a high concept musical animated series from the minds of David Bowie and Bruce Timm, which was among the first shows greenlit for MTV. The series was known for pushing the limits not just in subject matter, delving heavily into LGBTQ tropes in particular, but in animation, blending multiple animation types and live action in what Timm called “anicollage”. It would win multiple Emmys, Annies, and other awards for its animation, music, and editing. It had a modest but fanatical audience and remains a cult classic known for its non-linear plots, Lynchian mind-screw, boundary-pushing plots and tropes, and memorable musical sound track as much for its idiosyncratic animation.
Great, fucking weird, but great. Many young people probably learned a lot about themselves through this show.
“Back in ’95 I had this idea for a sort of The Great Escape film, but with chickens,” said Peter Lord. “But then [Finding] Nemo beat us to the punch there. We put that idea on hold[9]. Jim Henson over at Disney was eager to do a Wallace & Gromit film, since he loved the Shorts and even played them in the US, though the Board seemed to think that it needed a family angle, for some bizarre reason. So, we thought about that, or possibly a spin-off based on Shawn the Sheep, who appeared in A Close Shave, though I think a lot of the Yanks missed the Shawn/Shorn pun. We kicked around more ideas. Perhaps a pet rat that ends up in a sewer? James Bond with toads and frogs?”
Too bad, but on hold isn't cancelled.

Also I hope the Yanks warm up to Wallace and Gromit and we can get a proper movie eventually.
Thus was born the first Aardman feature animation: Tortoise v. Hare, which began production in late 1996 with a planned 1999/2000 release, directed by Lord, designed by Park, written by Karey Kirkpatrick, produced by Penguin, and distributed in partnership with Walt Disney. It would be Aardman’s biggest challenge to date.
Can't wait for that! I hope it works out.


Great chapters @Geekhis Khan
 
Chapter 14: Beyond the Digital Frontier, 1996-Present (Cont'd)
From In the Shadow of the Mouse, Non-Disney Animation 1960-2000, by Joshua Ben Jordan

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(Images by @ExowareMasses)

The great animation renaissance continued on the small screen as well, with consumers now able to choose from tons of content between the competing networks of Disney Toon Town, Cartoon City, and Neptune, with Fox Family also producing numerous Filmation products.

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Cartoon City was mixing Hanna-Barbera classics with original, often third-party content, be that reruns of Seth MacFarlane’s musical-esque reboot of The Flintstones from CBS Primetime or Kickin’ Studios’ stylized, anime-inspired Dexter’s Laboratory. It launched Starburst as a showcase for Japanese Anime. But it was also, controversially, starting to experiment with more adult fare, leading to the post-watershed Adult Swim lineup starting in 1997 with insane adult reframing of old HB IP as Harvey Birdman, Ace Attorney and Sea Lab 2022. Mike Lazzo saw this as a chance to catch the growing wave of MTV- and HBO-based T-rated animated programming. The success of Adult Swim would spawn competing post-watershed blocks like Toon Town’s Pleasure Island and Neptune’s NGAGE block, the latter name chosen after the somewhat-suggestive Uranus was overwhelmingly rejected and Pluto abandoned after the legal team feared a lawsuit by Disney.

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(Image by @ExowareMasses)
Warner’s Neptune by this point was looking for new options in general. It was winding down the popular Star Snakes, a sci-fi cartoon made by Zodiac Entertainment[1] that premiered in 1990 and is sometimes considered the “last of its kind” following in the footsteps of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and the rest of the 1980s Merch-Driven shows. It focused on heroic alien snakes led by the heroic Vipmed who land in Arizona after escaping space pirates who attacked the ark taking members of their race, the Serpentines, to build a colony on a jungle planet after meteor destroyed their home world. They are initially hostilely received on earth, but slowly gain the trust of humans starting with social marginally people but later turn most of the general public to their side, particularly as they help protect earth from the villainous Deathrattle and other often otherworldly threats. Star Snakes was praised for its message of how looks and people can be deceiving, and the importance of communicating, trying to get along with people who are different, and being honest and trustworthy. The Star Snakes toy line, made by Olmec toys, became quite popular in the early 1990s.

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But if Star Snakes offered an interesting “last of its kind”, animator Stephen Hillenburg, who’d worked on My Dog Zero, would produce something radically different and even surreal. Long a fan of the ocean and oceanic life, and a fan of Ween’s The Mollusk, which lingered in his mind, Hillenburg pitched an idea called Intertidal, primarily centered around an anthropomorphic sponge narrating a story of life in the ocean’s intertidal zone. It would eventually evolve into 1997’s radically weird and deliberately immature SpongeBoy[2], which followed the painfully-naïve titular sponge as he adapted to adulthood despite his childish immaturity. The show in some ways followed on from the Hoerk & Gatty vein, being silly, surreal, and boundary-pushing, but also took inspiration from Dexter’s Lab and Trout Man as well, with some cinematic, anime-inspired action, but surrounding the lowest of stakes from stealing a secret recipe for fast food to discovering what someone was getting for their birthday gift. It regularly mixed in non-sequitur aspects like live action segments, alternate animation styles (like stop motion or anime inspired), and genre shifts (suddenly becoming a romantic comedy halfway through an adventure plot only to then go full slapstick-pie-fight. The sheer insanity of the mix of differing tropes, all done with a madcap, slapstick surrealism, captured a wide audience from young kids to stressed-out adults. Largely G-rated, it occasionally pushed into PG.

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Fox was grabbing a surprising market share both on Fox Family and the Fox Kids block on PFN due in particular to their control of the popular Star Trek and Star Wars distribution licenses, with Triad Television President Lucie Salhany feeling that it was time to compete in the crowded sphere. Even with Fox Chair Lisa Henson supporting the effort, Triad would be the last of the century to make their own cable channel with animation as its main focus. In 1999, emboldened by the success of Fox Kids, it launched Cube[3], the name a play upon “cubing” and the numerology of three (a nod to the Triad name), with Tom Nunan as inaugural president. To carve out a niche, Cube would look to the many science fiction properties in the library of Triad and Filmation and make them the focus, with the bumpers and adverts being space-themed. Naturally, Star Wars and Star Trek were the flagships of the channel, with Planet of the Apes being an honorary third tentpole. Behind them came revivals of Filmation’s shows, like Neo BraveStarr and a clunkily-titled reboot of Masters of the Universe titled He-Man and She-Ra: Protectors of the Power Universe. Both reboots would be marginally successful for the channel, but the He-Man and She-Ra reboot would give the two Eternian heroes their dues as genuine superheroes.

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Universal/Hollywood/DiC would continue to push boundaries in an attempt to stand out among the competition. One of the more groundbreaking pre-Universal HA/DiC shows of the mid-90s was Miracleman: Olympus[4]. Based heavily on, and set after the events of the 1992 Alex Proyas Miracleman film, Olympus was based on issue 16 of the Eclipse Comics title by Alan Moore and animated and written by HA/DiC in collaboration with Penguin Animation and Cosgrove Hall Productions. Debuting on ABC and ITV in 1994 alongside Grizzly Tales for Gruesome Kids and Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?, the series showed the continued adventures of Miracleman (played by Seán Barrett), the superhero who spent most of his career in a simulation, after the destruction of London in the movie, as he and his superpowered allies slowly save the world...from itself. They do this by slowly taking over human civilization as the “New Gods of Earth” and “resolving all of humanity’s many problems and ills” over the course of two seasons, whether the lesser beings want their help or not.

Amid all of this, HA/DiC was going through a tumultuous time, and many noticed similarities in the behaviors and mannerisms of the Miracleman characters to the characteristics of ABC executives like Michael Eisner, Bob Iger, Jeff Katzenberg, Sumner Redstone, and Daniel Burke. Some wonder if the Olympian takeover was a subtle reflection of the slow political gamesmanship of the many senior executives. Just as the series was airing, Eisner would be out and Iger and Katzenberg ascendant. It would end its run just about the time that Universal Pictures would famously merge with Hollywood/ABC in early 1995, a deal ironically set up by the outgoing Eisner

Many of the projects in production at Hollywood Animation would subsequently be either cancelled or be shared between both studios’ locations as the reshuffling happened. The newly-formed Universal Animation would be put in charge of Hollywood’s projects with production moved to Universal City and set to air on ABC and participating cable channels. Not wanting to be outdone by the other companies in the cable animation space, Jeffrey Katzenberg took a lengthy inventory of what the Universal, ABC, DiC, and Viacom libraries gave him, and saw fit to create his own kid-friendly animation block. The result was spinning off ABC’s early morning kid’s block Kid Kingdom[5], with Chris Meledandri as the first president. The block’s branding was heavily themed around Ancient Egypt, especially the Sphinx as seen on most Hollywood Pictures blockbusters in its first 10 or so years of operation; the desert setting also lent itself thematically to a sandbox theme.

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Like a darker version of this

One of the most successful was Mummies: Warriors of the Dead, an action cartoon that would be co-produced between it and Ivan Reitman’s Northern Lights Entertainment, about a group of living mummies who defend an archaeologist mother and her son from an evil sorcerer due to the son being the reincarnation of the god Ra. Originally made for syndication, the second season would air on Kid Kingdom, a natural fit given the channel’s initial Ancient Egyptian theme. The series would even gain a crossover with Universal’s The Mummy in a TV film titled Mummies: Tomb of Imhotep.

Of course, it was mostly U/HA/DiC that picked up the slack of programming, given their history as a whole, and nowhere was that more obvious than in two of the network’s first original shows, General Gadget and a continuation of The Mysterious Cities of Gold, which the latter gives ‘80s kids a conclusion to DiC’s final Audiovisuel project. While the former is an action-laced anime-inspired sequel series to Inspector Gadget, with Penny in a more important role than in the original show, notably by having Dr. Claw get smart for once, and discover that Penny was the lynchpin behind all his undoing the whole time. Unfortunately for him, doing this activated Gadget’s “parental defense code”, which forced him to grow a pair and actually take charge to save his niece.

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Something like this (Image source megagrozov on Instagram)

With Disney, Warner Bros., Columbia, Triad, and Hollywood Animation all getting into the 24/hour business, it left the smaller big names, such as Wayward Entertainment and Nelvana, scrambling to find some long-term partners when the new millennium hit.

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The Inspiration (Image AAroads.com)

Wayward Entertainment, meanwhile, would partner with artist and writer Everett Peck on his cult classic Trout Man, the story of Gil Troutman (Will Ferrell), a simple North Carolina river trout mutated by the radiation from nearby Barium Springs, which was polluted by the machinations of the evil urban sprawl developer C. R. Copperplate (Wallace Shawn), who is in reality a mutated cockroach attempting to engineer the environmental collapse of human civilization, in large part through the creation of soul-sucking poorly planned gray-space urban sprawl, to make the world safe for his “kind”. He is doing this with his nefarious 2-X Machine (pronounced “deuce-ex”). It was an idea inspired by a road sign[6] Peck encountered while driving back to New York following a failed pitch to Hanna-Barbera in Atlanta.

Gil Troutman takes on the superhero mantle of Trout Man while juggling a dead-end day job as an insurance claims adjuster and trying to maintain his dysfunctional romance with the lovely park ranger Virginia Pine (Katey Segal). Virginia was in turn from the large and wealthy Pine family (the “Norfolk Pines”), with each family member’s name based on a different species of pine tree: father Red Pine (Stacy Keech), mother Elizabeth White-Pine (Betty White), jailbait teenage sister Loblolly Pine (Brittany Murphy), cowboy cousin Ponderosa Pine, hippie uncle Longleaf Pine, Native American cousin Lodgepole Pine, senile grandmother Wollemi Pine, etc. Reluctantly aided by his angry and passive-aggressive “mentor”, the mutated catfish blues player Scummy Bottoms (whom he dismissively refers to as his “magic catfish”; voiced by Keith David), the borderline sociopathic Troutman/Trout Man always proves to be his own worst enemy.

The T-rated series, which ran from 1993-1997 on FX, was unapologetically politically incorrect with Troutman a horrible, self-righteous jerk and borderline sociopath whose worst impulses got even worse when assuming the mantle of Trout Man. A running gag of the show involved Virginia Pine being in love with the seemingly unassuming Gil Troutman and appalled by his arrogant and mansplaining “heroic” alter-ego, even as Troutman assumed that the opposite was true and constantly tried to impress her as Troutman, usually accidentally foiling her ingenious efforts to expose and stop Copperplate’s evil plans as he “saved” her again and again.

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Trout Man, in turn, allegedly inspired Howard the Duck[7], a UPA/Disney collaboration starring Jason Alexander as the titular foul-mouthed fowl. Playing on Disney’s Pleasure Island block, the series represented the first collaboration between Disney and the “Commies down the river” as Walt and his executives had derisively called the founders of the original UPA, who were disgruntled former Disney employees. Famous for its irreverent topical humor and willingness to bite the hands that fed it, it would also have Marvel heroes show up in small roles and cameos, often to their detriment. Spider Ham was a frequent guest, and “friendly nemesis” for Howard. Additionally, Marvel “in jokes” were common, such as plots involving Tony Stark’s alcoholism, Wolverine’s “anger management” issues (with Professor Hulk as his “sponsor”), or Howard trying to solve a mystery in regards to an obviously-abusive Hank Pym towards Janet Van Dyne. It would run for four seasons and remains a cult classic.

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(Image source ibtrav on Instagram)

And perhaps most bizarrely, Bird Brain developed Starman: The Animated Series (1994-1999)[8], a high concept musical animated series from the minds of David Bowie and Bruce Timm, which was among the first shows greenlit for MTV. The series was known for pushing the limits not just in subject matter, delving heavily into LGBTQ tropes in particular, but in animation, blending multiple animation types and live action in what Timm called “anicollage”. It would win multiple Emmys, Annies, and other awards for its animation, music, and editing. It had a modest but fanatical audience and remains a cult classic known for its non-linear plots, Lynchian mind-screw, boundary-pushing plots and tropes, and memorable musical sound track as much for its idiosyncratic animation.

But of the small studios, the one who would take the biggest step would be the British stop-mo studio Aardman Animations, whose Wallace & Gromit and Creature Comforts Shorts had won numerous awards and gained the small studio numerous fans. And now they were about to embark on their first big budget, feature length production.

“Back in ’95 I had this idea for a sort of The Great Escape film, but with chickens,” said Peter Lord. “But then [Finding] Nemo beat us to the punch there. We put that idea on hold[9]. Jim Henson over at Disney was eager to do a Wallace & Gromit film, since he loved the Shorts and even played them in the US, though the Board seemed to think that it needed a family angle, for some bizarre reason. So, we thought about that, or possibly a spin-off based on Shawn the Sheep, who appeared in A Close Shave, though I think a lot of the Yanks missed the Shawn/Shorn pun. We kicked around more ideas. Perhaps a pet rat that ends up in a sewer? James Bond with toads and frogs?”

“It wasn’t just Disney [approaching Aardman],” said Nick Park. “Columbia and Universal were both talking to us, as was Pearson’s Penguin Productions, who’d just bought Pathé, Pinewood, and a peck of other ‘P’ properties in what I imagine is a singularly bizarre ‘P’ obsession on Daly’s part. They were aggressively pursuing us, not just for partnership, but for merger, or at least an underwrite. They suggested that we’d still get to work with Disney for US distribution since they had an ‘in’ as they called it. We considered the deal, ultimately partnering for distribution, but put corporate ties on hold, preferring to remain private if we could.”

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Time for training, yea?(Image source YouTube)

And then the idea for the “Tortoise and the Hare” came up. The classic Fable seemed a good option, though there was little that could be done with the original story. “Either the Tortoise wins per the original,” said Park, “Or the Hare wins in a twist. Not much to hang a picture on. But then we thought, well, what comes after the race?”

“We even ended up flipping the script on Disney Digital after the Nemo thing, actually,” said Lord with a laugh, “in this case with respect to the Tortoise/Hare subtext in Sparky. It came strangely full-circle.”

Thus was born the first Aardman feature animation: Tortoise v. Hare, which began production in late 1996 with a planned 1999/2000 release, directed by Lord, designed by Park, written by Karey Kirkpatrick, produced by Penguin, and distributed in partnership with Walt Disney. It would be Aardman’s biggest challenge to date.



[1] Developed by @Goldwind2.

[2] Originally going to have this name, but in our timeline an actual mop product grabbed the name first. Needless to say, it evolved into Sponge Bob Square Pants in our timeline. Will, strangely enough, be even weirder than our timeline’s show, fully embracing the surrealism and becoming a borderline “Dada comedy” on occasions.

[3] By @Plateosaurus.

[4] See a full description here written by @Igeo654.

[5] Also by @Plateosaurus.

[6] Based on a true story involving my wife and I that led to this wacky floating idea that never went anywhere. Mrs. Khan and I encountered the road sign around 15 years ago and made jokes for the rest of the drive about how the barium from the springs is probably what mutated the trout-man. The actual road sign is posted above. In our timeline, of course, Peck’s idea was for a duck detective, which became Duckman.

[7] Battered fedora tips to @TheFaultsofAlts and @TheKennedyMachine.

[8] Psychedelic space helmet tip to @MNM041.

[9] I know, I know…butterflies are a bitch sometimes.
Hey geekhis if i may ask what is the fate of streaming going to be ittl
 
Wow Star Wars and Star Trek on the same block the nerds are gonna love it.
Either that, or they'd be even further in arms on which show is better.
Also BraveStarr is kinda underrated, so I love to see the revival.
To be honest, I put that revival out because I just wanted to be able to experience the original show in a non-late-night fashion, so why not reboot it for the 90s or 2000's?

Yes, that is extremely petty of me, but I'm glad that someone else enjoys the idea in the end.
Also if Kid Kingdom needs some more Egyptian shows I have some ideas:
Funny enough, you might see Tutenstein in some capacity on Kid Kingdom, albeit not immediately as a full series.
 
Lol I just realized the actual anime block for Cartoon City was actually Sunburst (and not the candy Starburst). My bad!
This is what happens when you post during 4:00-5:00AM in a daze...
@Geekhis Khan
 
A lot of interesting stuff here. Sad to see that The Battle for Camelot is still a bit of a mess, but glad it's better than OTL's Quest. And it looks like they aren't even pretending it's based on The King's Damosel, which is better than saying you are and then ... not doing that. (Yes, this is one of my pet peeves. I discovered the Vera Chapman novella in a collection of Arthurian stories when I was a teenager, and was absolutely horrified when that disaster gave her a "based on" credit a few years later.)
Yes, original story, no based on anything other than Arthurian legend,


Was kind of expecting an image for it. Here's one you can add in.
Thanks, added.

I'm guessing Kind Kingdom is sorta like a Proto KBC or something? Nice to see Fox Kids still exists without Saban's involvement.
Yes, Lisa Henson pushed it iTTL.

This looks good, but I will reiterate that I hate jokes about Hank Pym being an abuser because 1. The incident of him hitting Janet was meant to be an accident and only looked intentional because of miscommunication between the writer and the artist and 2. Hank is canonically either bipolar or schizophrenic and making him an abuser sends a bad message to people about people with mental illnesses.
You're absolutely right. It's a horrible joke. In poor taste, offensive, and insensitive on many levels. But I included it because that's exactly the type of "edgy" jokes that they were making in "adult cartoons" at the time. Recall that this was the era that birthed Family Guy and South Park. Lest our nostalgia overtake us, it's best to recall that the 1990s kind of sucked in several ways.

Spongebob sounds wild in this Timeline.
I guess without working on Rocko's Modern Life he's a bit more zany and boundary pushing.
Yes, instead he started on the edgy and surreal My Dog Zero.

Hey geekhis if i may ask what is the fate of streaming going to be ittl
I've mentioned "Direct Viewing", the TTL equivalent, a few times now.

Is there a difference?

Sorry about nitpicking, but it should be Sunburst for Cartoon City since Toonami is firmly under Nickelodeon ITTL.
Lol I just realized the actual anime block for Cartoon City was actually Sunburst (and not the candy Starburst). My bad!
This is what happens when you post during 4:00-5:00AM in a daze...
@Geekhis Khan
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Any new Star Wars cartoons, or just reruns?
Some are still ongoing at this point, so a mix of old and new.
 
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Myth! Myth! ........ Yeth?
The Power of Myth
Post from Animation, Stories, and Us Net-log, by Rodrick Zarrel. August 13th, 2012

Guest Post from @Nerdman3000


Last week we talked about Heart and Soul, and during that post I mentioned a little something called Mythica, a certain Award-Winning Emmy Disney-created Series that is today celebrated by classicists/mythologists, historians, animation geeks, and fans of classical music alike. Those last two, when combined with the fact this show was produced by Disney, might bring to mind two certain famous animated films, Fantasia and Musicana, and that’s not entirely a coincidence. In fact, in a way, this series was very much an intended spiritual successor to both films and even technically at one point in its early development was in fact supposed to be a genuine true sequel film to both.

Though I’m getting slightly ahead of myself, so let’s instead start at the beginning. Specifically in 1989 with perhaps the most unusual of reasons for a series to be created, Doctor Who. Yeah, your [SIC] probably scratching your head and wondering what does the famous Time Lord have to do with this series, but if you know anything about the history of PBS in the 1990’s, you’d know that part of the reason the 90’s are considered a bit of a golden age for the network is due to the debut of the young and controversial 8th Doctor. Doctor Who, when it debuted on PBS, had a huge positive effect on the network which resulted in a massive increase in the network's ratings and the number of viewer donations. Said donations meant that the network suddenly found themselves able to produce a huge number of new shows and programs which they otherwise might not have been able to produce, shows and programs like a revival of Meeting of the Minds[1] and American Cities[2], as well as a new spinoff in the Masterpiece Theatre anthology series called Masterpiece: History, featuring works which primarily focus around history in some aspect.

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PBS President Ervin S. Duggan, who served as President of PBS for much of the 90’s starting from late 1993 (Source: Getty)

Now as you may have guessed, one of the shows which partially owes its existence to this Doctor Who related expansion to PBS is Mythica. But funny enough, it was almost something very different. See in 1994, President of PBS Ervin S. Duggan himself, looking for a new show to add to the network in light of its growing expansion, decided to approach Jim Henson to ask whether he or Disney might be willing to produce a new educational series or program for the Network, with the hope that the series would be Muppets or Sesame Street related. Henson was quite receptive, and work began on what would have been The Muppets Present ... Great Moments in American History[3], a show that would have featured the Muppets, led by Sam the Eagle, trying to recount American History to wacky effect. And while said show idea would eventually be revisited years later in a very different format, the original show idea sadly never made it past the drawing board.

Kind of like this...

The big reason why the show never happened was because of clashes between Henson and Duggan towards what each believed the show’s vision should be. Henson wanted the Muppets to retell moments of history in their usual wacky, funny way, while Duggan was against the very idea of treating great American historical moments in such a slapstick manner and was adamant that the subject should be treated with full seriousness. Now you’d think Duggan wouldn’t have asked for a show about the literal Muppets retelling moments in history if he was against the idea of it featuring jokes and gags, considering, you know, Muppets, but I guess he just wanted the name recognition the Muppets provided without everything that naturally came with it.

Regardless, by late 1994 it was pretty clear Henson and Duggan weren’t able to agree on anything in regards to the shows vision and how the Muppets should be portrayed, and rather than risk damaging the partnership Henson had with PBS over things, the two agreed to cancel pre-production of the series, leaving the two back in the drawing board. Yet Henson was nonetheless still very much interested in producing something for the Network and Duggan still wanted Henson to produce a new series for the network (even if he was reportedly very disappointed said series likely wouldn’t come with the name recognition the Muppets might have provided), the question it seemed now was just what they should produce.

Enter animator Susan McKinsey Goldberg and George Lucas.

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Sue Goldberg, photographed with her husband Eric, who also worked for Disney as a supervising director on both Mythica and its first spinoff series, Imagineria (source: D23.com).

Now Sue Goldberg had been an animator at the company for a number of years, having served as a lead animator for films such as Musicana, The Little Mermaid, and the then-upcoming Medusa. It was during her time working on Musicana that she first came up with the idea of adding an additional short to the film based around the Norse myth of Ragnarok and set to Beethoven’s 5th. Ultimately it didn’t happen, but the idea languished in Goldberg’s mind for a number of years.

It wasn’t until 1994 that Goldberg finally decided to try her luck getting the short produced by Soft Pitching it, hoping that even if it never made it to Musicana, it could see life as a The Wonderful World of Disney short. As luck would have it, both Jim Henson and George Lucas were present in the room when she pitched it. Both loved the idea, especially Lucas, who as a massive fan of myths and legends and a Joseph Campbell fanboy, was very, very much welcome to the idea of a myth based short. In fact, Lucas would take it further by openly asking why not do a series of shorts based on various myths and legends. And if you already have a series of animated shorts set to classical music, why not go the natural step and make it a film?

Suddenly it seemed what had begun as a Sue Goldberg’s soft pitch for turning a rejected Musicana short into a short on The Wonderful World of Disney had effectively accidentally evolved into Lucas soft pitching a Fantasia/Musicana sequel film based around myths and legends which featured Goldberg’s short. Lucas and Henson both became enthusiastic about the idea; Lucas as I said because he was a massive fanboy of myths and legends, and Henson (and Roy Disney) because he simply loved the idea of doing a spiritual successor/sequel to Fantasia/Musicana. Unfortunately for them, the Disney board wasn’t nearly as enthusiastic.

While Musicana wasn’t a flop by any means (unlike Fantasia which was before it became regarded as a classic), it wasn’t a massive hit in theaters either, even though it was profitable and did well in VHS sales, the board, still reeling from and remembering recent box office failures like Toys, were wary of the project, especially since even if it was a hit, it was guaranteed it wouldn’t do massive numbers like the company’s other recent animated films, such as The Little Mermaid and Aladdin.

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The Norse myth of Ragnarok, which served as both the first short of the Mythica series as well as what Sue Goldberg’s initial soft pitch would be about making a short. (Source: thenotsoinnocantsaboard.com)

But Lucas and Henson didn’t want to abandon the idea or leave it sitting on a shelf for years until the board was finally willing to go through with it, and it just so happened that around then Henson found himself also having to go back to the drawing board on the planned PBS show. It wasn’t long before Henson realized he could solve both problems at once, leading him to approach Duggan and suggest that rather than doing Mythica as an animated film, why not make it a PBS series instead? Well, a somewhat wary Duggan, though not hating the idea (but apparently not loving it either), stated he still wanted an educational show, so he was only willing to accept it if Henson could promise there would be an educational element to the series, which Henson accepted.

Thus was born PBS’s Mythica series, the first in what would be known as the network’s Fantasia Collection of animated musical anthologies.

So what exactly is Mythica? Well like I said, it was basically a spiritual successor to Fantasia/Musicana based around myths and legends, with animated shorts based on said myths and legends using visual storytelling to showcase those various myths and legends, all the while being set to various appropriate music, usually classical. Where it differed was that the live action framing sequences in between the shorts were instead replaced by educational sequences narrated by a wide variety of guest actors, including Leonard Nimoy, James Earl Jones, Christopher Lee, Richard Attenborough, George Takei, Keith David, and Jeremy Irons, that told the story of the very myths and legends presented in the program.

Every usually hour (depending on the episode) long episode in the series would focus on one area/culture and its set of myths, so you could for example get an episode one week centered around Greek Mythology that would include the story of the Abduction of Persephone and the War between the Greek Gods or the Titans, while the next week you’d get an episode about Chinese myths like Journey to the West and the story of Chang'e and Hou Yi, while the week after that you might get a Polish or Slavic myth and legends centered episode, a Native American myths and legends centered episode[4], or a African myths and legends episode (the short centered on the tale of Anansi in the first season Africa episode was a personal favorite of mine, hosted by Whoopie Goldberg, naturally). Myths and Legends from certain areas/cultures that were missed in one episode could be revisited in later seasons of the series.

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The Myth of the Abduction of Persephone by Hades, which would be one of the many myths and legends showcased in the series. The Persephone myth in particular would debut in the first season’s third episode, which was the first in the series to focus on Greek Mythology. (Source: icysedgwick.com)

Sue Goldberg herself would serve as one of the major art directors for the series, with her “Ragnarok” short being included in the first episode of the show, which was centered around Norse mythology. Yet she would not be alone, and in time it was not just Disney artists who would contribute on the series (though certainly a lot of them did). Following the successful first season, Disney would be joined by a vast number of artists spanning from different animation studios the world over, who each contributed to various episodes of the show. Animation studios such Studio Ghibli from Japan (who worked on the Japanese myths and legends episodes), France’s Folimage (they worked on the Gaul and Celtic mythology/legends episode, as well as the French Legends/Myth episode from the third season) and the UK’s Collingwood & Co. (they did some of the Britain episodes and the King Arthur episodes from season two and nine[5]) would lend their talents to the series. Even Aardman did a whimsical stop-motion take on British myths from Beowulf to Boudica to King Arthur.

Yet not only did the series provide an area for Disney and various animation studios to come together and show off their talents, but following the fourth season, a number of shorts in the series, starting with the “Echo and Narcissus” shot for the series’ third Greek Mythology themed episode (which was part of the show’s fourth season), would also begin to feature new classical music written exclusively for the show by contemporary composers, such as John Williams, Han Zimmer, Arvo Part, John Adams, Nobuo Uematsu, and Unsuk Chin.

Ultimately Mythica, which debuted on PBS in May 1996 sponsored by Lucas’s Edutopia Foundation, was a massive critical and ratings success for the Network and, like Doctor Who, increased viewer donations to PBS. Best of all, it won big at the following year’s Emmy’s Awards, with multiple shorts being nominated and one in particular, the Resurrection of Osiris short from the first season’s Egypt episode, winning the Emmy for best animated short.

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The Emmy Award winning short about the myth of Osiris, Isis, Set, and Horus. Was notably told in the unique form of animated Egyptian hieroglyphs. (Source: Britannica.com)

Eventually Mythica would get two spinoffs on PBS, thereby starting the networks Fantasia Collection[6]. The first spinoff, Imagineria, would debut in 2000, and would be much closer to Fantasia/Musicana in terms of tone and theming, completely dropping the focus on myths and legends completely, as well as the Educational segments[7]. A second spinoff series, Historia, which debuted in 2005, was closer in style to Mythica and once again featured educational sections, but changed the focus to musically animated shorts centered around events from history.

While Mythica would officially end its run in 2004 after 9 seasons, both of its sister series continue to run on PBS, with shorts from all three also occasionally being rerun on the Wonderful World of Disney. It nonetheless is considered an animation triumph and a highly respected masterpiece to animation and music fans the world over. But most importantly of all, the series and it’s [SIC] spinoffs have become a place where artists and later musicians/composers the world over could come together to make beautiful works of art through music, animation, and visual storytelling.





[1] Produced by PBS in our timeline from 1977-1981, the series was hosted by Steve Allen, which featured guests who portrayed famous historical figures like Teddy Roosevelt, Cleopatra, and/or Marie Antionette would come and basically just talk to each other, discussing subjects like philosophy, religion, history, science, etc. Here it gets a revival, once again hosted by Allen (and then later Jayne Meadows after Allen passed away in 2000), that lasts from 1991-2004. Is notable for one episode which debuted in 1994 where Jim Henson and Stan Lee both guest starred on the show, playing themselves naturally, and featured them interacting with Tim Disney playing his grand uncle Walt Disney.

[2] Each hour-long episode would delve into the history, culture, and areas of interest of one American City. Lasts in this timeline from 1992 to 1999.

[3] Basically, think the live show from Magic Kingdom’s Liberty Square that lasted from 2016-2020, but as an actual TV series. Note that the idea will get recycled as shorts in Too Late with Miss Piggy and as “lip-synched” Muppet performances at Disneytown Philadelphia.

[4] This episode would be a great example of an episode which didn’t use classical music, as it was notably instead accompanied by Native American music sung by descendants of the various tribes where the specific myth or legend used in the shorts came from.

[5] Naturally since this is a Disney related production, in some of the shorts, Merlin and King Arthur’s designs are clearly inspired by those from Disney’s The Sword in the Stone, with Arthur usually looking like an older version of the Arthur from the Disney film. And yes, Britain sort of gets two different episodes, one for King Arthur related myths, one for everything else.

[6] Considering Walt Disney himself reportedly wanted to do sequels to Fantasia and essentially make it a series before it flopped, this Fantasia Collection ironically kind of brings his dream for Fantasia to reality. All will be released on home media under the WED Signature label.

[7] Basically it’s just Fantasia/Musicana in a TV show format, and since it’s not limited to a specific theme, it offers a lot of the artists way more freedom than before, since they can basically make a short about anything without limits to what it can be about as long as it’s done through visual storytelling. Ironically enough, it would also feature a number of versions of shorts that were in our timeline’s Fantasia 2000 like the Flying Whales short, the Flamingoes short and “The Firebird Sprite” Finale short.
 
Its about Eros and Psyche from Greek mythology, and is gonna be a deulling movie situation with Disney's Medusa.

I'm asking the same question about Kindred Spirits. Just what is it, @Geekhis Khan ?

Good to know. I’m assuming we don’t know the box office yet.

I’ve lost track of Bluth’s post NIMH career. I remember co-directing a finished Thief and Cobbler, All Dogs Go to Heaven, a Godzilla film, Ritzy Gal(which is the Anastasia and the Pretty Woman analogue), Retriever (which is catcher in the rye for kids?), and the stuff discussed on Saturday. Missing anything?
 
I'd watch the heck out of the PBS Fantasia Collection, even if it's meant for adults.

Also, if it wasn't stated that Mythica and its spinoffs were aimed at an adult audience, what with the shorts being presented in the Signature Series, I would have actually tried to place them on Playhouse Disney, but unlike the stuff like Lassie or Max and the Wild Things, that would probably be a step too far.

As a closing piece, Mr. Duggan? I'm afraid PBS already has the Muppets without their trademark jokes and gags, and eschews them out in favor or education. It's called Sesame Street.
 
The Myth of the Abduction of Persephone by Hades, which would be one of the many myths and legends showcased in the series. The Persephone myth in particular would debut in the first season’s third episode, which was the first in the series to focus on Greek Mythology.
I hope they do it right and call out the real villain as Zeus for essentially setting up an arranged marriage between Persephone and his brother without telling her or her over-protective mother.
Thanks, Red, for doing the work so the rest of us don't have to.
 
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