When Irish Eyes Are Smiling
- Thread starter Historico
- Start date
Very interesting... keep it coming. Nixon/Goldwater v. JPK/LBJ '56?Also, the age gap isn't that unusual- Jack was 12 years older than Jackie.
A JPK/LBJ ticket does sound fun in 1956, but wouldn't a Nixon/Goldwater ticket not be geographically or ideologically balanced? I'd be inclined to think that Nixon would want to choose a moderate Rockefeller Republican from the Northeast as his running mate, to balance the ticket. Also, Goldwater would be a bit wet behind the ears (I know Nixon was even more inexperienced in 1952 but Eisenhower was going to win anyway
).
Nixon's a centrist by 1950s standards, Barry is most certainly not by any standard. Or he could pick Prescott Bush, who's far too old to seek the presidency come '64. A Nixon/Bush ticket- think about it. (Though admittedly GHWB was on the '68 and '74 shortlists)
(Though admittedly GHWB was on the '68 and '74 shortlists)?So who will Warren pick as his replacement [1953]? ?How will this affect Brown v BoE?
I thought Warren developed his Civil Rite views after he became Justice.
So GK became GKK, ?Who become Princess of Monaco?
?I thought Dewey beat Truman?, so Warren would be 1952 President.
?Would that be 26 or 52 reelections?.
?How are the Kennedy - LBJ relations ITTL?
As the Chinese entered the Korean War earlier than OTL, Whe didn't have the whole Yalu Disaster. ?Are whe still north of the 38th?
A 39th or 40th new border, 80 or 150 miles north of Seoul, instead of OTL's 12 -- would change the whole complexion of SKorea Politics.
Joe would not know LBJ, since he's a governor and LBJ is Minority Whip at this point. Jack will know him. ITTL their relations will be cordial, but LBJ is clearly Jack's superior as a member of the Senate leadership.
Very interesting... keep it coming. Nixon/Goldwater v. JPK/LBJ '56?
All I can say is that by your predictions for '56 your way off lol. You should know that by your study of American Politics, things that look like a sure thing one election can end up a boulevard of broken dreams by the next.
A JPK/LBJ ticket does sound fun in 1956, but wouldn't a Nixon/Goldwater ticket not be geographically or ideologically balanced? I'd be inclined to think that Nixon would want to choose a moderate Rockefeller Republican from the Northeast as his running mate, to balance the ticket. Also, Goldwater would be a bit wet behind the ears (I know Nixon was even more inexperienced in 1952 but Eisenhower was going to win anyway
Youre right that Barry is to much of a political neophyte from to small of a state to become the champion of the Conservative wing of the party as of yet. Most of the conservatives kind of solidify behind Taft and temporarily to McCarthy at this point. Warren's going to take some pretty big issues head on in his second term, which will fracate the GOP to reveal those splits which ultimatley led to '64 IOTL. You know Nixon, never served any master other than his own ambition and in 1952 it was more expedient to join forces with McCarthy to nominate as a proto-Quayle of a candidate as you could get in the fifities. It's all to clear a path for '56
Warren had always been a supporter for Civil Rights stemming from his Governorship in California days. As for the Korean War, you got me bub, I have no where the knowledge of early cold war events, than I should have. If you have any
As I visited Monaco last April, I'm now eager to see Grace Kelly live a Princess' life in the hallways of the White House. My bets for 1956 are Jenner/Robert B. Anderson for the GOP and JPK/Senator McClellan/Ellender/Eastland. Of course, the perspective of having a segregationnist or even Eastland in the Oval Office sends shivers down my spine if the Kennedy and Tecumseh Curses both met, but Kennedy needs a old Dixie Senator to balance the ticket; I would've preferred Smathers or, if he had been elected earlier, Governor Patterson of Alabama, but as Smathers already got the slot...
With Earl Warren being Earl Warren, I'd expect to see the Democrats make huge pushes for the South in 1956. If Joe Kennedy Jr wins the Dem nod in '56, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't take a stand on civil rights or even ends up opposing civil rights out of political opportunism. Or maybe the Southern Delegation will push for an unelectable Southerner to win the Dem nod in 1956 (as Warren will probably inflame Southerners big time), such as Richard Russell, who would get curbstomped by Jenner, and then 1960 would be JPK's time to shine.
Very nice. Man, those Democratic candidates sure have funny names. Those alone made them unelectable IMO.
I sure do hope we have President Kennedy/Senate Majority Leader Kennedy/Chief Justice Kennedy/NFL MVP Kennedy.
I sure do hope we have President Kennedy/Senate Majority Leader Kennedy/Chief Justice Kennedy/NFL MVP Kennedy.
Whanz: Bobby's rulings will be the same as Scalia's on many issues, and most definitely the same on social issues. Now those 2 on SCOTUS... certainly those decisions will be interesting, as will the chemistry. Say goodbye to Roe.
Now those 2 on SCOTUS... certainly those decisions will be interesting, as will the chemistry. Say goodbye to Roe. Spread it out among the generations. Preferably one of the namesakes.
Also: bumping for an update soon.
Also: bumping for an update soon.
How long until the next update?
Me-thinks ye underestimate how conservative Scalia is.Whanz: Bobby's rulings will be the same as Scalia's on many issues, and most definitely the same on social issues.
I myself am kinda tired of Kennedy overload in TL's. The whole thing about "President Kennedy/Senate Majority Leader Kennedy/Chief Justice Kennedy/NFL MVP Kennedy", that's fine. But I mean where its 2 or 3 (or more) Kennedy's in the White House.Personally I hope we see more than one Kennedy in the Oval Office.
Lol, I definatley agree with you Nort on the whole Kennedy-Wank Tl's, I just honestly believe it's hard to keep up the same quality caliber of presidential candidates in one family or even from one generation to another (That's why we haven't seen a 4th gen ken make it into the White House). But yeah on James Farmer, I know about his socialist past, I was trying to find a Black Rockefeller Republican that was relativley young in the '80'sth but I think most of them died out by then...So Farmer was one of the younger choices(I like Brooke, but he would have been pushing 70 while in office)
On the next update, Im taking my LSAT this saturday, and that's where most of my focus has been the last few months and Ill be glad to finally get it off my back. Then the next couple of weeks, it'll be me catching up with the rest of my classes, and starting Moot Court Season...So maybe I can get one in by Halloween, but I can't make any promises
On the next update, Im taking my LSAT this saturday, and that's where most of my focus has been the last few months and Ill be glad to finally get it off my back. Then the next couple of weeks, it'll be me catching up with the rest of my classes, and starting Moot Court Season...So maybe I can get one in by Halloween, but I can't make any promises
I'm curious as to whether Warren's US will back the coups in Iran, Guatemala, Paraguay, and Brazil.
I just realized something I need to nitpick:
Joseph Kennedy Sr. was not a bootlegger. That's an old urban legend from some political mud that managed to stick. He was a liquor importer, after prohibition had ended. See: http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/offtopic/kennedyarchy
Joseph Kennedy Sr. was not a bootlegger. That's an old urban legend from some political mud that managed to stick. He was a liquor importer, after prohibition had ended. See: http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/offtopic/kennedyarchy
Lol, I know, that's a direct rip from Nixonland, probably from Dick's own personal view of the old man lol...btw, I probably wont' be able to start this up again till November...Moot Court season starts this week, and I still have my actual course work to attend to so yeah
, I see why RB doesn't start TL's during semesters....