When Did the Plantagenet Dynasty End?

[Uhura's Mazda]

Then logically Elizabeth II is the current Plantagenet monarch"

Yeah, except she's the heir to the Plantagenets, not a Plantagenet herself.

I spent many hours as an over-eager 13-year-old trying to work out who the 'rightful' heir to the Plantagenets was based on all the different theories and mutually contradictory Acts of Attainder passed, and I think the only line of descent which wasn't barred from the throne by one side or another ended up with the current Baron De Ros (the Australian guy is descended from Clarence, who was attainted). But obviously the real Rightful King is the guy who actually has the throne, of course. Which in this case is Liz.

 

[mcdnab]

Arguably acts of attainder don't count Richard Duke of York, Henry VI, Edward IV etc were all under attainder at some point for example.

There are numerous legitimate lines of descent from the varying women Plantagenets.

Of course - the claim for the descendants of Margaret Countess of Salisbury is purely based on an unproven allegation that Edward IV was illegitimate.


So technically - the senior heir general of the house of Plantagenet and the York cadet branch (Edward IV becoming the senior heir male and senior heir general after the death of Henry VI and discounting the varying acts governing the succession etc) - is Franz Duke of Bavaria.

He being descended from Henriette youngest daughter of Charles I (she leaves numerous descendants today)

After her would be the descendants of Elizabeth daughter of James I and VI (which includes the morganatic descendants who would have a higher claim than the descendants of Sophie of Hannover including the current British monarch as would the descendants of )

Then the descendants of Mary Tudor (second daughter of Elizabeth of York) - represented today by Lady Kinloss if you accept the legitimacy of Catherine Grey's sons or the late 9th Earl of Jersey and his children)

Then the numerous descendants of Margaret Plantagenet - represented by the Earl of Loudon Simon Abney Hastings

Then the descendants of Anne St Leger (only daughter of Anne Plantagenet eldest daughter of Richard Duke of York which includes the Duke of Rutland)

Then the descendants of Isabel Countess of Essex (sister of Richard Duke of York)

Then the descendants of Lady Elizabeth Mortimer (eldest granddaughter of Lionel of Antwerp and aunt to Anne Mortimer Countess of Cambridge)

Then would follow the female line descendants of the Lancaster Cadet Branch, then the only daughter of Edmund 1 Duke of York - Constance of York - then the descendants of Thomas of Woodstock Duke of Gloucester)

 

[Timaeus]

In any case, the Plantagenet dynasty ended with Richard III, last Plantagenet king of England and thus last sovereign Plantagenet ruler. The execution of Edward Duke of Warwick by Henry VII Tudor seals the fate of the House of Plantagenet, rendering it extinct in the male line. And the female line dies a few decades later, with Margaret Pole's own execution.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Yeah, except she's the heir to the Plantagenets, not a Plantagenet herself.

I spent many hours as an over-eager 13-year-old trying to work out who the 'rightful' heir to the Plantagenets was based on all the different theories and mutually contradictory Acts of Attainder passed, and I think the only line of descent which wasn't barred from the throne by one side or another ended up with the current Baron De Ros (the Australian guy is descended from Clarence, who was attainted). But obviously the real Rightful King is the guy who actually has the throne, of course. Which in this case is Liz.

I half remember that the Percys are the legitimate heirs from a similar bit of research.

 

[frustrated progressive]

Yeah, except she's the heir to the Plantagenets, not a Plantagenet herself.

I spent many hours as an over-eager 13-year-old trying to work out who the 'rightful' heir to the Plantagenets was based on all the different theories and mutually contradictory Acts of Attainder passed, and I think the only line of descent which wasn't barred from the throne by one side or another ended up with the current Baron De Ros (the Australian guy is descended from Clarence, who was attainted). But obviously the real Rightful King is the guy who actually has the throne, of course. Which in this case is Liz.

You are literally me.

 

[Darth_Kiryan]

I half remember that the Percys are the legitimate heirs from a similar bit of research.

That is where it gets weird though....

(and yes, i am going by wikipedia though)

The eleventh earl seems to be the last male in direct descent. Then it descends to his daughter who becomes Countess Percy, then to her son, then it passes to his daughter who married someone who took the name Percy, and he became the 1st Earl of the new line.

I think that makes sense....

 

[frustrated progressive]

That is where it gets weird though....

(and yes, i am going by wikipedia though)

The eleventh earl seems to be the last male in direct descent. Then it descends to his daughter who becomes Countess Percy, then to her son, then it passes to his daughter who married someone who took the name Percy, and he became the 1st Earl of the new line.

I think that makes sense....

The Percys are descended from Henry III, and are the last heirs of the house of Neville (ironic, I know). Through the Somerset succession, they are also indirectly descended from House Beaufort, I believe. Despite the weird Somerset succession, they still have more Plantagenet blood in them than the Windsors.