When did austrians stop identifying as german.

My point was and is that up until wwii most Austrians considered then selves German.. Not as in Germany as in what is Germany anyways.. There was ausrro Hungarian and German states . This conversation is a tad odd.

Ww II and nazis destroyed united German sentiment.. After the war Austria came into its own as well.. Austria .

Not sure what we are saying here that is different. either way Austria is Austria and Germany is Germany . Identifying as German is like saying I'm Slavic.. Doesn't mean I'm Russian.


Austrian and German states have a long Co mingled history. But Ww II really was the hammer that made the biggest impact.


Of course this is an odd conversion. You are telling me I'm supposed to identify as German, even if I don't.

Can't say if it's exact, since I don't fully know the situation there, but since you identify as Slavic (unless I read that wrong) the analogue might be calling an Ukrainian Russian. He'd probably not be happy with that too. Depending where he's standing in that current civil war happening.
 
There's an element of rival nested identity going on here.
My circle > my town > my province > my polity
Versus
My kith & kin > my clan > my tribe > my people
One is area based the other more social or cultural and there's not a one to one correspondence on size or importance.
And some terms will cover both.

An important element in Austrians no longer being German is a narrowing of the term to not mean German speaker or inhabitant of the "germanies" area but to mean citizen of the polity of Germany.
 
Isn't there a difference between identifying primarily with national identity rather than ethnic identity, and having a new ethnic identity altogether? After all, there are plenty of Americans who describe themselves as simply "American" without assigning an ethnic value to the term (or thinking in ethnic terms at all).
 
Of course this is an odd conversion. You are telling me I'm supposed to identify as German, even if I don't.

Can't say if it's exact, since I don't fully know the situation there, but since you identify as Slavic (unless I read that wrong) the analogue might be calling an Ukrainian Russian. He'd probably not be happy with that too. Depending where he's standing in that current civil war happening.

But as an austrian you don't identify nationally as a german or ethnically? because it makes a lot of difference, the ukranian comparison doesnt really stand, ukranian don't share a language with germany and the only real difference between Austria and germany is national sovereignty both share a language a common history and culture(in not saying german and austrian culture is the same, because german culture doesnt really exist as it is more akin to regional culture live bavarian culture, swabian culture and saxon culture but i do not claim to be an expert if you have a different opinion please enlight me.
 
After WW1 independence was reject as it was not thought possible that rump-Austria would be a viable state and everything until 38 has proven just that in the eyes of the public.

Then came the war with all the excesses and everyone assumed that should they lose this time the German question would be settled once and for all. Then the Moscow declaration was issued and became a convenient way out of the mess for Austria so they went along with it - blame the Germans for everything! Afterwards trade resumed when the nationalistic circlefuck in Western Europe stopped and Austria got unimpeded access to the world markets and everything went well enough for the people to get content with the new situation where you dont have to bow to Germany or anyone else and can sell yourself as just another Switzerland.
 
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