ComradeHuxley said:
Dr. Wertham made his name was as a consulting psychiatrist for the court system. The psychiatric clinic he directed for the New York City court was probably the first clinic in the United States in which all convicted felons received a psychiatric examination. His recommendations led to the modernization of facilities and methodology at many mental and criminal holding institutions.
I did not know about this.

Given his criticism of comics was baseless & founded on a false causality, I could happily leave him in the prison system. Except, doesn't that lead him to wondering why cons end up the way they are & put him onto comics as cause...?
TheInfiniteApe said:
You got it. Is it too far out to suggest that Detective Comics gets the rights to the Shadow and Kahn and Finger reinvent the character slightly? That way, the Shadow is as popular as you want and Batman never happens, or happens as The Shadow.*
I think that it's possible. Does it work for you? The characters were originally mighty similar. I think that has the potential to be cooler than either of the separate franchises respectively.
I don't think you can manage this. One, the Shadow predates any superheroes by seven years. Two, the Shadow model proved (& remains) very popular, & there are many variations, from Bats to The Spirit to Moon Knight & Rorschach, & those are just offhand. (BTW, it's Bob Kane...tho I'm betting you know that.

Also, it wasn't Detective yet; it was still National, IIRC...or maybe still Atlas.)
And I can't let these go unanswered.... No Bomb?
Parker51 said:
without Money spent on it, US produces more & better Armour, earlier & better jets, etc.
Do you really think money, & not materiel, was the limiting factor? Nonsense.
Parker51 said:
Anzio goes better, D-Day better, etc.
Preposterous. The main failure at, frex, Anzio was due to selection of commanders & the orders he got, not the number or quality of weapons. And D-day went about as well as it could reasonably have; the main problem on the U.S. side was, again, due to commanders' decisions. How, exactly, does "no Bomb program" change their selection?

Parker51 said:
Success is so great that border between American and Soviet partition of Germany is at Eastern Suburbs of Berlin, with Germany basically Surrendering to Patton.
Nonsense. The failures after the Allies got ashore 6 June had damn all to do with weapons quantity or quality, in the main, but with, yet again, command decisions. How does the U.S. having no Bomb program affect Britain giving Monty command of Neptune? Hence, of Monty screwing up in front of Caen as OTL? Of Monty screwing up & not seeing the importance of clearing the Scheldt Estuary? Of Monty & Patton fighting between themselves over credit for being first in Berlin?
Parker51 said:
Alternative plan made for Japan created based on destruction of Japanese Army in Asia based upon better & quicker success in Europe.
Ridiculous.

The war in the Pacific was going reasonably well. Why do Marshall, & more importantly King, go insane & become involved in a quagmire in mainlaind ROC?
Parker51 said:
Joint (and rival) US/ USSR operations in Asia in 1945-46.
Ridiculous. Japan would be defeated by then. She was already looking for surrender terms in April '45 OTL; if we accept your proposition of more U.S. resources (which hastened Germany's defeat in your scenario), why, then isn't Japan nearer defeat, too?
Parker51 said:
By end of 1947 Japanese Army defeated in Asia
ASB. No way in hell IJA lasts that long. No way in hell Japan lasts that long. Bomb or no damn Bomb.
Parker51 said:
USSR controlling Korea, Manchuria, most of China.
And the U.S. agrees to Soviet invasion of
sovereign ROC territory why? Hell, why doesn't
Chiang fight? And why do the Sovs invade ROC anyhow?


Parker51 said:
US/ GB controlling Southern China, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.

ASB. ROC isn't Germany. And the road to Japan doesn't run through Pusan.

It runs through Iwo Jima & Okinawa, just like OTL.
Parker51 said:
USSR manages to invade Northern Japanese Islands & have success.
Don't bet on it. SU amphib capabilities were, if anything, less than Japan's.


Besides, Japan is already defeated before this happens.
Parker51 said:
LOL. ASB. Japan fighting into 1946 is a stretch. The economy was in ruin by 1945, 21st AF was burning cities with abandon, seaborne trade was near zero, rice crops were failing, & starvation was rampant. As the U.S. bombing & blockade lasted, & tightened, throughout 1945, this would get worse. How long would it take for the U.S. to figure out how to isolate areas of Japan from one another entirely, by destroying tunnels & bridges? How long before fuel supplies were gone? As said, Japan in April '45 OTL was already looking for an out. It was, IMO, only FDR dying at an inopportune time that kept the U.S. from seeing this & granting Japan the one unalterable term: keep
an Emperor (if not Hirohito

). So, it's perfectly possible, with Germany defeated sooner (as you posit), Japan's surrender is accepted as early as May or June '45.
Parker51 said:
Why would the U.S. agree to this?
Parker51 said:
near certain death of their Emperor

Who on the Allied side is going to agree to hanging Hirohito if it risks extending the fighting? Or restarting it? (Do I think he should have hanged? Yes...)
Parker51 said:
neither a US or Soviet A-Bomb built
Nonsense. The Brits were working toward a Bomb, & would have continued to do so, as would the U.S. & SU, among many others, for prestige reasons & geopolitical advantage.
Parker51 said:
US does not finance Marshal Plan
Why not? Truman isn't stupid.
Parker51 said:
instead works on rebuilding its neglected infrastructure


What "neglected infrastructure"?

It's not like the U.S. mainland was ever bombed, or really damaged. The harm was due to overuse in the war....
Parker51 said:
Eisenhower not elected to Presidency as not interested in further service after significantly longer WW2.
Since it wouldn't be "significantly longer", but, in fact, noticeably shorter....
Parker51 said:
US Railroads rebuilt during late war years, and initial post war period.

Why?
Parker51 said:
Why not?
Parker51 said:
And with no Federal Subsidies for US Airports & Airlines
Why not?
Parker51 said:
Passenger Rail profitable. Success of Railroads due to their ability to compete on a truly "level playing field"
Absent changing the tax system so railways don't pay on every mile of track & see the money go to supporting their competitors (road building, street maintenance, so forth), how does this change?

More to the point, what in hell does "no Bomb" have to do with it?
Parker51 said:
With no Federal subsidies for Suburban Hospitals, Schools, Roads, etc. US cities are rebuilt rather than abandoned after years of neglect during war years.
Nonsense.

The G.I. Bill provided low-cost mortgages for building new homes. All of them were built in new 'burbs. There were no low-cost loans for buying or rebuilding existing homes in downtowns. So urban sprawl is going to happen. How does "no Bomb" in any way change this?

Parker51 said:
Television languishes as the Federal Government refuses to subsidize it either



I'm unaware of a subsidy for TV. And I see no damn reason the Bomb affects this in any fashion...
Parker51 said:
Returning GIs stay in their old neighbourhoods and improve them.
Why?


OTL, they wanted their own homes, & the G.I. Bill let them buy homes. In
new 'burbs... Again, how does "no Bomb" remotely change this?

Parker51 said:
Japan never becomes modern powerhouse as never allowed to put protectionist policies in place to protect domestic manufactures, especially automobiles, and are never given easy access to US markets as they had before WW2.
Nonsense.
Parker51 said:
Why not? Given the SU's persistent paranoia over invasion, why does she not create something like the Warsaw Pact anyhow? And the West respond?
Parker51 said:
Soviets not interested in trying to keep them in their zone, which becomes the German SSR.

Why is the SU acting contrary to OTL behavior? Except because you want it that way?
Parker51 said:
Jewish SSR created in what was Eastern Germany
Yeah. Right. I believe Jews who survived the Holocaust are going to volunteer to go to a Soviet-controlled territory in the very area where the worst death camps were located.
Parker51 said:
Nonsense. This was the product of Vietnam wanting independence, & the U.S. (in part thanks to FDR) screwing it up & siding with the French. If anything, with no Bomb, & more (perceived) need for French support in Europe, the war in Vietnam will be more bitter & longer.
Parker51 said:

Preposterous. Britain was in eclipse, the SU on the rise. The U.S. was going to be confronting the Sovs one way or another.
BTW, there's two important things you overlook entirely. If the Bomb isn't built, there's a much better chance for war in Europe over Berlin in the late '40s & early '50s (before The Wall reduced the tension OTL).

And if the Bomb isn't dropped on Japan, it increases the chances the Sovs don't believe the U.S. will use it, increasing the chances of a major nuclear exchange once both sides do have the Bomb...

Parker51 said:
You've at least gotten this right...
Parker51 said:
That is the sole thing you've gotten right about Japan...
