What would you like to see in a 20th century cultural ATL?

NothingNow

Banned
(Separated by me for organization...)

1. Green Hornet alternatives would be pretty cool. Giant Robot?

3. I'm not familiar with his stuff, really. I've caught some GitS, but I'm not very experienced in manga or anime. I'll look into it and we'll see. Any requests as to what should be turned into a successful film franchise?
1) Like you know, giant robots, piloted by people, fighting stuff.

3)Like Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, and Dominion: Tank Police. Any of them would make for anysort of good sci-fi or action flick.
 
Note on Benjamin stuff: Momme Broderson and Esther Leslie. I'd also look at the history of the Frankfurt School by Wiggerhaus, since he'd be around them if he left for New York.
 

Warsie

Banned
2. More Star Wars movies, TV shows about the Yuuzhan Vong invasions and the Old Republic.

I just vomited at that, star wars should scrap that garbage from the universe minus the tech stuff and characters

EDIT: did anyone mention Autistic nationalist groups and pedophile insurgent groups yet XD
 
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Warsie

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more Asian or Asian American popular culture; alternate histories involving diasporic settlement in unusual places (non-American California; A Chinese Australia; a Japanese Siberia...), particularly ones with admixture and intermarriage where there is a lot of interaction.

The US could annex more of Mexico or eat the whole country, and that means an area with a strong history of racial interbreeding which could make intermarriage between asians and non-asians easier. Also strengthen the factors that made irish/chinese marriages so strong in california (excess chinese males/excess irish females). Also, the asian (chinese?) exclusion act isn't passed then.

Also for californiam, northern california gets more Mestizoes there perhaps?

More as in more than just Katamari and DDR loving white kids pretending to be "AZN"?

HAHAHAHAHAHA man what you got against weeaboos yo!

Also, Apparently most of the AZN people in Cali are legitimate ASIAN people, not white pretenders. I remember xanga had a strong craze of AZN in 2005-05 right?

Speaking of DDR, see
http://www.asian-central.com/stuffasianpeoplelike/2008/04/02/52-dance-dance-revolution/

note: i beat a japanese guy at DDR once. i think that deserves fomr recognition :p

1. I'm not that into anime so it's hard for me to scramble my own interest. However, I can do some searching and figure out a Chinese version if it's important to you. It may turn out to be interesting.

well I am an Otaku, so GET TO IT SIR!

To be honest I'd expect early chinese anime to be rip-offs of Japanese stuff, like how OTL Korean animation was blatant ripoffs (See Space Gundam V, that Korean gundam/macross rip-off)

2. Personally, I'm more interested in the Swingjugend movement in Germany, but maybe there's some way to incorporate Afrocommunism into that movement and export it post war. It can't be too difficult...

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3. I'm thinking of just making more quadroons, etc. popular to the point of being iconic. This helps the subculture develop around these people as their idols and ensures a subculture that can grow and evolve from that point.

k

4. That black Star Wars was a hoax to promote a mockumentary. However, a more popular Afrofuturism is absolutely possible and I think I may go with this. Perhaps even tying it to the quadroon subculture... Nice...

damn that looked realistic enough. well make it a 'real' event then ;)

3. I'm sorry, I don't understand this sentence. If you mean films based on Asimov's works becoming more popular then, I can work with that. (Gosh, there are a lot of people wanting sci-fi/fantasy to be outrageously more popular... )

He means the films based off the works. yes some peopel want to get ouf of the sci-fi ghetto there is an overlap between us and the science fiction, gamer and anime community ;)




...however my curiosity into this concept did not. If blaxploitation and Kung Fu could cross paths time and time again in the seventies, it seems unlikely that it is implausible for them to be united under some sort of Ricespaghetti Western monster and then you've got yourself a massive movie subgenre that appeals to whites and minorities alike in America.
So it's like Cowboy Bebop in our OTL then :p

Which in turn makes way for a unified and widely celebrated Asian American culture akin to the Afrocentric culture which emerged OTL. It may be unified with the latter to some degree but this isn't necessarily a negative or a permanent thing.

Did you have any more ideas?
There is a preexisting unified "Asian american" culture among second and third generation asians (see AZN trends) but among first generation especially those who have brought their 'homeland' bigotries over that is less like to happen (e.g. japanese/koreans). Make it stronger perhaps with more asians in 'non-asian' regions (e.g. New York, Texas, Illinois, not just California as in our timeline.


US/ GB controlling Southern China, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.

Uh....the Nationalists would not let that 'control' last for so long, same with the USSR. It would be a short occupation until control is given back to the nationalist Chinese.

Returning GIs stay in their old neighbourhoods and improve them. US cities become the best in the World.
So there would be more ethnic whites in existence, as well as more white gang bangers - meaning more intra-white politicing and conflict and less white-black conflict?. There would presumably be a slower dissolution of white ethnics and there will be Filipino and Japanese ghettoes in US cities.

Hello world of The Warriors

Europe and Japan languish and USSR is ignored as US again turns inward.
lol. Europe and Japan won't languish given even without aid they'd recover eventually.

Israel never founded in middle east, but instead a Jewish SSR created in what was Eastern Germany, west of the Polish SSR.
OTL has a jewish autonomous oblast close to Vlaadivostok and Japan, that still exists.

No Hippies (who were mostly spoiled middle class brats), no drop out and chill out. Just people struggling to find a job and support their families.

Uh. I don't think so. A depression would not deal with the cultural clash, it might make it worse. "You were fooled into fighting these imperialist wars and look what it did to us". Those hippies weren't exactly rich when they traveled, they walked, hitch-hiked, jacked rides on freight trains, etc. Those political ideals and ideologies will still exist, they might be more militant even.

Another thing I would personally like to see is the continuance of true country music as opposed to the country pop out there today. Perhaps keep Elvis closer to his roots and/or eliminate the "mainstream" feel of country via some incident in the 70s/80s that causes the public at large to view country as more "backwoods-ish". This may eliminate it from the national consciousness but will keep Taylor Swift and Lady Antebellum and their ilk from ruining a perfectly good brand.

Explain i am unfamiliar with that.

Different Versions of The Green Hornet, and various Giant Robot series from around the world.

awesome. Like G Gundam?

Also, John Delorian, and Le Corbusier don't go full retard, and ruin their reputations with insane ideas, while Gerard K. O'Neill gets a bit more respect in Sci-fi media circles.
more respect? Dude his stuff is in Arthur C Clarke writings and GUNDAM everywhere :/

What if Lovecraft's philosophy becomes more popular in the decades after his death? What if this causes the youth culture in America to go the other way, and we get anti-hippies instead of hippies, but in the same time-frame? People in this subculture would be nihilistic, speak and write using archaic English, not use drugs, have streaks of Anglophilia and fascism in their ideology (without being Nazis or skinheads, mind you), and instead of protesting nuclear weapons they would encourage their use. They would also pretend to worship deities like Cthulhu. In a way it would be an interesting anti-thesis to OTL counter culture, on the opposite side of the cynicism-idealism scale.

So the Nazi/fascist punks are popular. Something like that happens now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivethead

1) Like you know, giant robots, piloted by people, fighting stuff.

3)Like Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, and Dominion: Tank Police. Any of them would make for anysort of good sci-fi or action flick.

Gundam and Patlabor :cool:
 
Anyways, I would also like to request a greater influence/respect for poets.
Maybe some Poetry Slams on network TV.:rolleyes: OK, a half hour on PBS:cool:

Another thing I would personally like to see is the continuance of true country music as opposed to the country pop out there today.
?Can Whe separate Country from Western, and keep them both?.
 
I just vomited at that, star wars should scrap that garbage from the universe minus the tech stuff and characters

EDIT: did anyone mention Autistic nationalist groups and pedophile insurgent groups yet XD

Yeah, the EU got a little... unreadable. Some good characters though, you're right.

RESPONSE TO EDIT: I saw that in a thread somewhere, the autistic thing at least. Man, I hope you're joking. Hahaha

Not having Cadillac go overboard with them could help.

Absolutely right.

I'm probably going to just include this without explaining it too much, though. There is really no reason (aside from the impaling rumors which were B.S.) to explain why cars stopped looking like spaceships for decades... So they won't stop. There. Not very AH of me, but seriously, what POD can be used to change this and how would I include it without it being utterly obvious that I'm TRYING so hard to include it? No thanks.

I'll keep thinking, though.

1. The US could annex more of Mexico or eat the whole country, and that means an area with a strong history of racial interbreeding which could make intermarriage between asians and non-asians easier. Also strengthen the factors that made irish/chinese marriages so strong in california (excess chinese males/excess irish females). Also, the asian (chinese?) exclusion act isn't passed then.

2. Also for californiam, northern california gets more Mestizoes there perhaps?



3. HAHAHAHAHAHA man what you got against weeaboos yo!

4. Also, Apparently most of the AZN people in Cali are legitimate ASIAN people, not white pretenders. I remember xanga had a strong craze of AZN in 2005-05 right?

5. Speaking of DDR, see
http://www.asian-central.com/stuffasianpeoplelike/2008/04/02/52-dance-dance-revolution/

6. note: i beat a japanese guy at DDR once. i think that deserves fomr recognition :p



7. well I am an Otaku, so GET TO IT SIR!

8. To be honest I'd expect early chinese anime to be rip-offs of Japanese stuff, like how OTL Korean animation was blatant ripoffs (See Space Gundam V, that Korean gundam/macross rip-off)



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11. damn that looked realistic enough. well make it a 'real' event then ;)



12. He means the films based off the works. yes some peopel want to get ouf of the sci-fi ghetto there is an overlap between us and the science fiction, gamer and anime community ;)




13. So it's like Cowboy Bebop in our OTL then :p

14. There is a preexisting unified "Asian american" culture among second and third generation asians (see AZN trends) but among first generation especially those who have brought their 'homeland' bigotries over that is less like to happen (e.g. japanese/koreans). Make it stronger perhaps with more asians in 'non-asian' regions (e.g. New York, Texas, Illinois, not just California as in our timeline.

1. Mexico getting annexed to any degree is just not going to happen. Too many butterflies to make the rest believable. As far as strengthening the factors that encouraged an Asian-American admixture with other immigrant populations and races, I'm on it.

2. I'm not sure how to increase the amount of Mestizos in Northern Cal. I'll think about it.

3. Absolutely nothing! It was a joke. Japan is cool. It's also...

http://japanisweird.com/

4. I don't white pretenders are a bad thing necessarily. It might even help the increase of Asian culture in America to increase such a philia.

5. Ha! Nice.

6. Certainly not a REAL Japanese person unless he was a youngling. If so, shame on you. If your claims are legitimate, however, good job! Hahaha

7. I'm not sure what you mean, but I AM GETTING TO IT, SIR.

8. I absolutely agree here.

9. K yourself.

10. K yourself! :D

11. I've got a plan... You'll like it.

12. I adore Asimov. No sweat.

13. But much earlier.

14. That's a pretty good idea. I'm not sure how to increase Asian populations in places where there wasn't a large one to begin with IOTL. Maybe something involving Asians becoming more like illegal Latinos IOTL in a way. Hard working cheap labor to fill the factories and donate their culture heavily to the American inner cities and minority culture.

Also, I'm picturing Hank Hill's Laotian neighbor for some reason when you say, "More Asians in non Asian regions." Hahaha!
 
Maybe some Poetry Slams on network TV.:rolleyes: OK, a half hour on PBS:cool:

?Can Whe separate Country from Western, and keep them both?.

1. I cracked up at this. Yeah, this can be done, on PBS at the very least.

2. It won't be so black and white. It's not too difficult to separate the pop country from the roots oriented country while both remain popular. Just have this happen instead of the pop replacing the roots.
 

Warsie

Banned
ill respond to the earlier stuff, but re the 'otaku' thing that was in response to the anime thing :p

also:

Detroit does not falter and stays as an exmple of a thriving black metropolis before Atlanta does that, resulting in an earlier ressurection of "middle-class" and "upper class" black culture. I think, then again Atlanta and DC became those meccas earlier (especially DC). Maybe a 'northern black' culture vs a 'southern black' culture in the US, but the bonds are too strong for that to happen.
 
ill respond to the earlier stuff, but re the 'otaku' thing that was in response to the anime thing :p

also:

Detroit does not falter and stays as an exmple of a thriving black metropolis before Atlanta does that, resulting in an earlier ressurection of "middle-class" and "upper class" black culture. I think, then again Atlanta and DC became those meccas earlier (especially DC). Maybe a 'northern black' culture vs a 'southern black' culture in the US, but the bonds are too strong for that to happen.

Yes. Yesyesyes.

Good one!
 
Hit the Hayes Comic Code with a shovel... then hit it again.
I want this too. I'm not sure how to go about it. It seems like almost an inevitability at the time.
Not really. If you push Wertham under a bus, you can have salutary effect on it. (Actually, I'd do that just on principle, because he's such a dick,:rolleyes: but if it has beneficial impact, so much the better.;)) Add in Gaines not endorsing, or (better still) actively resisting, a self-regulatory body, the Comics Code is in question. (As to whether Congress then steps in, IDK. I tend to think that would buy a Constitutional challenge Justice would lose...but that's not certain.) Ideally, you need to impact the number of kids born after WW2 (whence the spike in juvenile delinquency numbers, which Wertham blamed on comics...:rolleyes::mad::mad:), or you need to impact the perception of the cause. (Blame rock & roll, instead? Or television?) Some changes in distributor practises (giving retailers more choices, instead of "buy all we've got or nothing") would be very helpful, too. (TBH, tho, I have real doubts that was ever fact; what I've seen of ordering, the retailer always had the option of ordering only what was wanted.:rolleyes:)
 
Not really. If you push Wertham under a bus, you can have salutary effect on it. (Actually, I'd do that just on principle, because he's such a dick,:rolleyes: but if it has beneficial impact, so much the better.;))

Personally I would prefer him simply never getting interested in comic books so that the other part of his legacy is better known. What I am talking about well this article explains it best:

Fredric Wertham (1895-1981) and his fight for civil rights and the human treatment of psychological patients and criminals:
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According to his obituary in the New York Times (December 1, 1981), Fredric Wertham was born in Munich, Germany, in 1895. He studied at Kings College in London and at the Universities of Munich and Erlangen, and received his MD from the University of Würzburg in 1921. He did post-graduate study in London, Vienna, and Paris, and correspondence with Sigmund Freud led him to take up psychiatry as his life's work. He settled in the United States in 1922, becoming a citizen in 1927.
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Wertham's subsequent career was impressive. He held the posts of senior psychiatrist for the New York City Department of Hospitals and director of the mental hygiene clinics at Bellevue Hospital and later Queens General Hospital. He was also director of the Lafargue Clinic in Harlem, a mental hygiene clinic for the poor in a mostly black section of New York City. His article for the American Journal of Psychotherapy , "Psychological Effects of School Segregation," was submitted to the United States Supreme Court as an important piece of evidence in the legal case that led to the 1954 ruling that declared racial segregation in schools to be unconstitutional.
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Where Dr. Wertham made his name was as a consulting psychiatrist for the court system. The psychiatric clinic he directed for the New York City court was probably the first clinic in the United States in which all convicted felons received a psychiatric examination. His recommendations led to the modernization of facilities and methodology at many mental and criminal holding institutions.


http://art-bin.com/art/awertham.html
 
1)A greater effect on culture by Bob Dylan in one form or another.

2)Elvis Presley is more affected by blues music.

3)Michael Jackson stays black.

4)A samurai-western that has as much influence on Hollywood as the Dollars Trilogy did.

5)Mark Hamill has a greater and earlier acting career.

6)Kurt Cobain doesn't die (I still say it was murder)

7)Mario stays as the plumber from Brooklyn.

8)Blacula is never made.

9)Reagan stays as an actor.

10)A female African dictator (I like this idea a LOT)
 
NECROMANCY!

I am still working on this TL, actually, but it's not my toppermost priority at the moment. What I have so far is, imo, up there with the great Pop Culture TL's that began springing up like herpes in the past year, but much more comprehensive.

Keep an eye out.
 

Kosta

Banned
Music, film, literature, art, pop culture, underground culture, etc.

Stay within the realm of plausibility, please. The tentative POD is in the mid-late 1940's but earlier PODs are welcome.

Any requests?

Personally, I'm feeling some architectural divergences. I like two styles of architecture—Art Deco and Byzantine. There's a church in either Argentina or Brazil that comes up if you Google "Art Deco Byzantine" and it looks kind of cool.

And if you want to get real bizarre; there was a brief venture into combining neo-Aztec architecture with Art Deco architecture (which did receive influences from Aztec architecture, already). Crazy stuff.
 
ComradeHuxley said:
Dr. Wertham made his name was as a consulting psychiatrist for the court system. The psychiatric clinic he directed for the New York City court was probably the first clinic in the United States in which all convicted felons received a psychiatric examination. His recommendations led to the modernization of facilities and methodology at many mental and criminal holding institutions.
I did not know about this.:eek: Given his criticism of comics was baseless & founded on a false causality, I could happily leave him in the prison system. Except, doesn't that lead him to wondering why cons end up the way they are & put him onto comics as cause...?:eek:
TheInfiniteApe said:
You got it. Is it too far out to suggest that Detective Comics gets the rights to the Shadow and Kahn and Finger reinvent the character slightly? That way, the Shadow is as popular as you want and Batman never happens, or happens as The Shadow.*

I think that it's possible. Does it work for you? The characters were originally mighty similar. I think that has the potential to be cooler than either of the separate franchises respectively.
I don't think you can manage this. One, the Shadow predates any superheroes by seven years. Two, the Shadow model proved (& remains) very popular, & there are many variations, from Bats to The Spirit to Moon Knight & Rorschach, & those are just offhand. (BTW, it's Bob Kane...tho I'm betting you know that.:) Also, it wasn't Detective yet; it was still National, IIRC...or maybe still Atlas.)

And I can't let these go unanswered.... No Bomb?
Parker51 said:
without Money spent on it, US produces more & better Armour, earlier & better jets, etc.
Do you really think money, & not materiel, was the limiting factor? Nonsense.
Parker51 said:
Anzio goes better, D-Day better, etc.
Preposterous. The main failure at, frex, Anzio was due to selection of commanders & the orders he got, not the number or quality of weapons. And D-day went about as well as it could reasonably have; the main problem on the U.S. side was, again, due to commanders' decisions. How, exactly, does "no Bomb program" change their selection?:confused::confused:
Parker51 said:
Success is so great that border between American and Soviet partition of Germany is at Eastern Suburbs of Berlin, with Germany basically Surrendering to Patton.
Nonsense. The failures after the Allies got ashore 6 June had damn all to do with weapons quantity or quality, in the main, but with, yet again, command decisions. How does the U.S. having no Bomb program affect Britain giving Monty command of Neptune? Hence, of Monty screwing up in front of Caen as OTL? Of Monty screwing up & not seeing the importance of clearing the Scheldt Estuary? Of Monty & Patton fighting between themselves over credit for being first in Berlin?
Parker51 said:
Alternative plan made for Japan created based on destruction of Japanese Army in Asia based upon better & quicker success in Europe.
Ridiculous.:rolleyes: The war in the Pacific was going reasonably well. Why do Marshall, & more importantly King, go insane & become involved in a quagmire in mainlaind ROC?
Parker51 said:
Joint (and rival) US/ USSR operations in Asia in 1945-46.
Ridiculous. Japan would be defeated by then. She was already looking for surrender terms in April '45 OTL; if we accept your proposition of more U.S. resources (which hastened Germany's defeat in your scenario), why, then isn't Japan nearer defeat, too?:rolleyes:
Parker51 said:
By end of 1947 Japanese Army defeated in Asia
ASB. No way in hell IJA lasts that long. No way in hell Japan lasts that long. Bomb or no damn Bomb.:rolleyes:
Parker51 said:
USSR controlling Korea, Manchuria, most of China.
And the U.S. agrees to Soviet invasion of sovereign ROC territory why? Hell, why doesn't Chiang fight? And why do the Sovs invade ROC anyhow?:confused::confused::confused:
Parker51 said:
US/ GB controlling Southern China, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.
:rolleyes: ASB. ROC isn't Germany. And the road to Japan doesn't run through Pusan.:rolleyes: It runs through Iwo Jima & Okinawa, just like OTL.
Parker51 said:
USSR manages to invade Northern Japanese Islands & have success.
Don't bet on it. SU amphib capabilities were, if anything, less than Japan's.:eek::rolleyes: Besides, Japan is already defeated before this happens.
Parker51 said:
1948, Japan Surrenders
LOL. ASB. Japan fighting into 1946 is a stretch. The economy was in ruin by 1945, 21st AF was burning cities with abandon, seaborne trade was near zero, rice crops were failing, & starvation was rampant. As the U.S. bombing & blockade lasted, & tightened, throughout 1945, this would get worse. How long would it take for the U.S. to figure out how to isolate areas of Japan from one another entirely, by destroying tunnels & bridges? How long before fuel supplies were gone? As said, Japan in April '45 OTL was already looking for an out. It was, IMO, only FDR dying at an inopportune time that kept the U.S. from seeing this & granting Japan the one unalterable term: keep an Emperor (if not Hirohito:rolleyes:). So, it's perfectly possible, with Germany defeated sooner (as you posit), Japan's surrender is accepted as early as May or June '45.
Parker51 said:
to avoid USSR occupation
Why would the U.S. agree to this?
Parker51 said:
near certain death of their Emperor
:rolleyes: Who on the Allied side is going to agree to hanging Hirohito if it risks extending the fighting? Or restarting it? (Do I think he should have hanged? Yes...)
Parker51 said:
neither a US or Soviet A-Bomb built
Nonsense. The Brits were working toward a Bomb, & would have continued to do so, as would the U.S. & SU, among many others, for prestige reasons & geopolitical advantage.
Parker51 said:
US does not finance Marshal Plan
Why not? Truman isn't stupid.:rolleyes:
Parker51 said:
instead works on rebuilding its neglected infrastructure
:confused::confused: What "neglected infrastructure"?:rolleyes: It's not like the U.S. mainland was ever bombed, or really damaged. The harm was due to overuse in the war....
Parker51 said:
Eisenhower not elected to Presidency as not interested in further service after significantly longer WW2.
Since it wouldn't be "significantly longer", but, in fact, noticeably shorter....
Parker51 said:
US Railroads rebuilt during late war years, and initial post war period.
:confused: Why?
Parker51 said:
No US Interstate built.
Why not?:confused:
Parker51 said:
And with no Federal Subsidies for US Airports & Airlines
Why not?:confused:
Parker51 said:
Passenger Rail profitable. Success of Railroads due to their ability to compete on a truly "level playing field"
Absent changing the tax system so railways don't pay on every mile of track & see the money go to supporting their competitors (road building, street maintenance, so forth), how does this change?:confused: More to the point, what in hell does "no Bomb" have to do with it?:confused:
Parker51 said:
With no Federal subsidies for Suburban Hospitals, Schools, Roads, etc. US cities are rebuilt rather than abandoned after years of neglect during war years.
Nonsense.:rolleyes: The G.I. Bill provided low-cost mortgages for building new homes. All of them were built in new 'burbs. There were no low-cost loans for buying or rebuilding existing homes in downtowns. So urban sprawl is going to happen. How does "no Bomb" in any way change this?:confused::confused:
Parker51 said:
Television languishes as the Federal Government refuses to subsidize it either
:confused::confused::confused: I'm unaware of a subsidy for TV. And I see no damn reason the Bomb affects this in any fashion...:rolleyes:
Parker51 said:
Returning GIs stay in their old neighbourhoods and improve them.
Why?:confused::confused: OTL, they wanted their own homes, & the G.I. Bill let them buy homes. In new 'burbs... Again, how does "no Bomb" remotely change this?:confused::confused:
Parker51 said:
Japan never becomes modern powerhouse as never allowed to put protectionist policies in place to protect domestic manufactures, especially automobiles, and are never given easy access to US markets as they had before WW2.
Nonsense.
Parker51 said:
their is no NATO
Why not? Given the SU's persistent paranoia over invasion, why does she not create something like the Warsaw Pact anyhow? And the West respond?
Parker51 said:
Soviets not interested in trying to keep them in their zone, which becomes the German SSR.
:confused: Why is the SU acting contrary to OTL behavior? Except because you want it that way?:rolleyes:
Parker51 said:
Jewish SSR created in what was Eastern Germany
Yeah. Right. I believe Jews who survived the Holocaust are going to volunteer to go to a Soviet-controlled territory in the very area where the worst death camps were located.:rolleyes:
Parker51 said:
No Vietnamese War
Nonsense. This was the product of Vietnam wanting independence, & the U.S. (in part thanks to FDR) screwing it up & siding with the French. If anything, with no Bomb, & more (perceived) need for French support in Europe, the war in Vietnam will be more bitter & longer.
Parker51 said:
no cold war
:rolleyes: Preposterous. Britain was in eclipse, the SU on the rise. The U.S. was going to be confronting the Sovs one way or another.

BTW, there's two important things you overlook entirely. If the Bomb isn't built, there's a much better chance for war in Europe over Berlin in the late '40s & early '50s (before The Wall reduced the tension OTL).:eek: And if the Bomb isn't dropped on Japan, it increases the chances the Sovs don't believe the U.S. will use it, increasing the chances of a major nuclear exchange once both sides do have the Bomb...:eek::eek:
Parker51 said:
no Korean War
You've at least gotten this right...
Parker51 said:
Japan starving
That is the sole thing you've gotten right about Japan...:rolleyes:
 
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