What would the US look like if Canda, British, Caribbean, Moskito Coast & Belize Joined it

I am aware of that, but it seems unlikely for the U.S. to have Miskitania and Belize without Central Amerixa.
agreed but if they did have them it would definitely put them in a uncomfortable situation with Spain but maybe their mutual mistrust of GB would stop them being at each others throats for a while.
 
agreed but if they did have them it would definitely put them in a uncomfortable situation with Spain but maybe their mutual mistrust of GB would stop them being at each others throats for a while.
Or those areas pass to Spain in exchange for something else?
 
I don't think America would like to do that especially since those areas would have Anglo settlement.
 
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Lusitania

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So what happens to Florida does go back to Spain then joins the US when Andrew Jackson does his shtick?

What about the Falklands and The south Georgia and Sandwich Islands if the US was strong enough to take Newfoundland, Bermuda, and GB Caribbean Holdings in 1812 I could see them being interested in removing a European power entirely from the new world seaboard.

I like the idea of of a two part revolution. Say the Caribbean colonies do join but the revolutionaries are forced to flee to the main land and are looking for a chance to reclaim their homes.

So 15,000 people of a 20,000 population is to little? Also Nova Scotia would now have a land connection for supplies and reinforcements to come. They wouldn't be able to keep or Take Halifax but they probably would be able to pull of guerilla warfare and stop the red coats from leaving Halifax. I don't think Nova Scotia would be split up if it Joined the Union.

I don't think the Articles of confederation would change much.Although I agree with the states having more power probably a longer bill of rights with part protecting language specifically, but what other changes do you think would happen the constitutions? I do think if Marshall court would probably make the same decisions it did OTL even with the extra Judges from Francophone States or the Caribean latter on because most of the Marshall's courts decisions were unanimous or had 1 dissenter. the pendulum wouldn't be swung that much to the states if the militias were stronger because that's pretty much how the US operated its army OTL and in OTL the congress underfunded the federal military because they didn' when they needed to bulk up the Federal army they would just induct state militias in the command structure.

So what states would Newfound Land and Labrador go to and wouldn't Quebec be willing/want to Split it's self up to have more representation in the Senate?

Bermuda would probably go to Virginia because of the close ties. The Bahamas to south Carolina for similar reasons. the Lesser Antilles probably get lumped together. Belize, Jamaica, the Mosquito coast, and what islands that are south of Cuba but aren't of the lesser Antilles are put together and are probably split apart at a latter date.

So what happens to the Guiana and Suriname area most of the Europeans there are of British decent would the dutch be willing to sell to the US or the us takes them in 1812 because GB has control over it and then pays some money to the dutch and french for their portion of the area?

small question will be using the pod of GB taking the French Caribbean or no. I am fine either way.

Haiti will be interesting no matter what because your either having a freed slave republic like OTL which would be hated by the slave holding states maybe causing an intervention and America getting it's ass in quagmire or if we go the my pod suggestion Haiti not to mention a ton of Caribbean islands would be exposed to revolutionary ideas when they were developing imagine the Maroons getting their hands on Thomas Paine's Common Sense which was published in French and I could imagine revolutionaries trying to spread it around to other colonies.

the Slave state Free State balance would be interesting with the Francophones thrown in because early on they are more of their interests in common with the slave states but as they industrialize they would probably align themselves more with the free states. I defiantly see the Francophone states playing both sides. The slave states would also have more ways to expand and so would the free states so maybe the civil gets delayed a little bit maybe to the late 1860's or early 1870's but I good still happening in the early 1860's or late 1850's depending on who gets elected. The civil would still happen because neither side would be dominate as they can still keep the balance in the senate.

Immigration would be interesting to because now the Irish would have multiple friendly areas north of new England to go to with the English limiting them, and would the Italians go to Quebec to because of the the Latin language and Catholic faith? I don't know about the Germans though.

1) who is Jackson? Lol. Who to say that he would be in same position or in command. Will the Spanish population of frorida be such that it repulses American settlers. How will things transpire from 1783-1810 we not sure. But either him or someone else try to get Florida.

2) the US get Carribean at first to deprive Britain from using it to launch attacks against US. So they have no reason to move that far south. Plus there big chance that Britain seize pantagonia after American independence so British presence be strong there. Be hard for US to project it’s strength that far at least till second half of 19th century.

3) the Carribean can only be taken by US in 1812-1815 if the US invested huge in sea power, otherwise they be in same boat iOTL able to repulse the British but strangled by BN who can land troops everywhere.

As for Halifax and Nova Scotia it was held strong by British with both regular troops and British navy base to fall in ARW. In the war of 1812-1815 an overland attack could be launched as well as by sea if the American navy string enough. Nova Scotia would of received thousands of loyalist and it would be two colonies by 1812 Nova Scotia and newbrunswick( which only includes souther half of iOTL Canadian province. The northern would be Acadia a French speaking uS state. So it would want to join as two states.

4) new foundland would join as separate state. As for border with Quebec that would only be settled when Hudson Bay territory bought by USA. Remember that Newfoundland has right to all land draining into the Atlantic. That’s why the shape of Labrador.

5) while Bermuda could decide to join one of the states it may well devide to be independent. Same with the Carribean, they would want to be their own bosses and not take shit from anyone else. Also they may be supported by slave states who would be alarmed by the entry of 3-4 new northern states and wAnt same amount of Carribean slavery states. Some of the Carribean colonies especially those on the mainland might stay territories till their European population grows enough. But I see all islands north of Cuba as one state. Jamaica and islands south and west of Cuba as second state plus the lesser Antilles as 3rd with Guiana as 4th.

6) constitution negotiations could of changed with southern states allied with Quebec to weaken federal government. Yes more rights of language and religion plus some sort of national law in constitution that states can’t attack or pass laws to suppress or discriminate against other regions. Help Catholics in WASP states and Protestant in Quebec and other French states. There were many ways that the constitution conventions could of gone and the French could of swing it in different ways that iOTL.

7) does France loose Haiti? Good question. If Haiti stay french then France wants to keep French Louisiana. This puts US in a quagmire for Mississippi required for transportation. Say that France looses and they independent. Be good for several slave states to send their boys into Haiti to suppress the free blacks. End result would be thousands of white buried in Haiti if they go in say 1820-1830 and forced to leave due to looses to high it would help sway opinion on slavery.

I would want to determine what US is like in first 1/2 of the 19th century before I think about the second 1/2.

7) emigration would be interesting yes with less anti catholic actions and unwritten laws discriminate against them. Yes I could see thousand of Italians stream into Quebec and other french speaking states and learn frenchninstead of English.

7) in terms of courts, yes a specified number of federal judges and even supreme judges need to be from civil law states as opposed to common law in English states. We also would have quite a number of bilingual states with huge percentage of french or English.
 

Lusitania

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I don't think America would like to do that especially since those areas would have Anglo settlement.
Well the British traded Florida for Bahamas so I could see the Americans trade them for say Puerto Rico or if Florida still spanish for Florida. Thing is by time US going to trade the south spAnish colonies in midsts of revolting against Spain.
 
1) who is Jackson? Lol. Who to say that he would be in same position or in command. Will the Spanish population of frorida be such that it repulses American settlers. How will things transpire from 1783-1810 we not sure. But either him or someone else try to get Florida.

2) the US get Carribean at first to deprive Britain from using it to launch attacks against US. So they have no reason to move that far south. Plus there big chance that Britain seize pantagonia after American independence so British presence be strong there. Be hard for US to project it’s strength that far at least till second half of 19th century.

3) the Carribean can only be taken by US in 1812-1815 if the US invested huge in sea power, otherwise they be in same boat iOTL able to repulse the British but strangled by BN who can land troops everywhere.

As for Halifax and Nova Scotia it was held strong by British with both regular troops and British navy base to fall in ARW. In the war of 1812-1815 an overland attack could be launched as well as by sea if the American navy string enough. Nova Scotia would of received thousands of loyalist and it would be two colonies by 1812 Nova Scotia and newbrunswick( which only includes souther half of iOTL Canadian province. The northern would be Acadia a French speaking uS state. So it would want to join as two states.

4) new foundland would join as separate state. As for border with Quebec that would only be settled when Hudson Bay territory bought by USA. Remember that Newfoundland has right to all land draining into the Atlantic. That’s why the shape of Labrador.

5) while Bermuda could decide to join one of the states it may well devide to be independent. Same with the Carribean, they would want to be their own bosses and not take shit from anyone else. Also they may be supported by slave states who would be alarmed by the entry of 3-4 new northern states and wAnt same amount of Carribean slavery states. Some of the Carribean colonies especially those on the mainland might stay territories till their European population grows enough. But I see all islands north of Cuba as one state. Jamaica and islands south and west of Cuba as second state plus the lesser Antilles as 3rd with Guiana as 4th.

6) constitution negotiations could of changed with southern states allied with Quebec to weaken federal government. Yes more rights of language and religion plus some sort of national law in constitution that states can’t attack or pass laws to suppress or discriminate against other regions. Help Catholics in WASP states and Protestant in Quebec and other French states. There were many ways that the constitution conventions could of gone and the French could of swing it in different ways that iOTL.

7) does France loose Haiti? Good question. If Haiti stay french then France wants to keep French Louisiana. This puts US in a quagmire for Mississippi required for transportation. Say that France looses and they independent. Be good for several slave states to send their boys into Haiti to suppress the free blacks. End result would be thousands of white buried in Haiti if they go in say 1820-1830 and forced to leave due to looses to high it would help sway opinion on slavery.

I would want to determine what US is like in first 1/2 of the 19th century before I think about the second 1/2.

7) emigration would be interesting yes with less anti catholic actions and unwritten laws discriminate against them. Yes I could see thousand of Italians stream into Quebec and other french speaking states and learn frenchninstead of English.

7) in terms of courts, yes a specified number of federal judges and even supreme judges need to be from civil law states as opposed to common law in English states. We also would have quite a number of bilingual states with huge percentage of french or English.

I hope your Joking but if not Andrew Jackson one biggest assholes to ever be president of the US. and if there is more support in the southern colonies maybe they could take Florida and stop Spain from taking it. Also most of the Spanish population left to Cuba when Britain took Florida and didn't come back when Florida was back under Spain.

In our timeline the invasions happen between 1805-1807 they were what led to Argentina's independence because Spain didn't help. The defenders were pretty competent I don't see just loosing Quebec would effect the invasion of Patagonia. and the Falklands were abandoned after the failed invasion by both Spain and Britain. So I could see the US taking both sets of Islands to deny them to Spain and Britain.

Yeah I could definitely see if Nova Scotia doesn't or isn't able join it would definitely be slit up. I still do think that Nova Scotia could still go to the Americans with Quebec joining. Instead of Benedict Arnold be sent to Quebec he could have been sent to Nova Scotia and in the beginning of the war Halifax was lightly defend. So say the local patriots capture Halifax and then Benedict Arnold meets up with them and they a guerrilla war all the way back to Quebec making the red coats pay for inch of Nova Scotia to buy time for defense of Montreal and Quebec City. Nova Scotia could still go in the peace deal. Although I understand why it would go the other way.

good to know about Newfoundland.
 

Lusitania

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I hope your Joking but if not Andrew Jackson one biggest assholes to ever be president of the US. and if there is more support in the southern colonies maybe they could take Florida and stop Spain from taking it. Also most of the Spanish population left to Cuba when Britain took Florida and didn't come back when Florida was back under Spain.

In our timeline the invasions happen between 1805-1807 they were what led to Argentina's independence because Spain didn't help. The defenders were pretty competent I don't see just loosing Quebec would effect the invasion of Patagonia. and the Falklands were abandoned after the failed invasion by both Spain and Britain. So I could see the US taking both sets of Islands to deny them to Spain and Britain.

Yeah I could definitely see if Nova Scotia doesn't or isn't able join it would definitely be slit up. I still do think that Nova Scotia could still go to the Americans with Quebec joining. Instead of Benedict Arnold be sent to Quebec he could have been sent to Nova Scotia and in the beginning of the war Halifax was lightly defend. So say the local patriots capture Halifax and then Benedict Arnold meets up with them and they a guerrilla war all the way back to Quebec making the red coats pay for inch of Nova Scotia to buy time for defense of Montreal and Quebec City. Nova Scotia could still go in the peace deal. Although I understand why it would go the other way.

good to know about Newfoundland.

The British have troops and navy base in Halifax. We have stated that the British Navy would be too large and powerful to attack during ARW. To travel in 1780 from Massachusetts to Nova Scotia is not possible. (Not with a large military force including canons. Forget by sea, british control it.) No the best course is to convince Quebec to join that pushes the loyalist out of Ontario and gives you free acess to Midwest Ohio Valley.

The objective of 1812 -1815 War was to stop british from seizing American ships that have rightvto trade with France. With Quebec part of USA the American objective is to weaken Brutish navy. Take their colonies and ports in North America, make them hurt and force them to the negotiating table. To do that a much larger American navy and merchant fleet captures all British territory in Central American, Carribean plus Bermuda and remaining British North America. To go after falklands is too risky when you need ships in Carribean and Atlantic Coast tal waters protecting USA not on other side of world.

As for pantagonia the British were very interested in it iOTL. Combination of factors prevented them from taking it. The loss of Quebec means they loose Ontario and northern half of New Brunswick. So the number of loyalist (75,000 iOTL) have limited places to go. South Africa might if it was captured from Dutch. Otherwise pantagonia sounds good. Therefore in 1810 British presence is beefed up in area. Remember Rio de la plata viceroy not include pantagonia at time.

As for Jackson, yes I know the asshole (sorry if offended some people). What I was getting to is that he might not be in command. As for Flórida a different ARW could mean a different Spanish reaction. Or could mean it like iOTL. Maybe the civilized tribes try to get Davy Crockett to negotiate with USA and we get different circumstances and no trail of tears. Don’t know.
 
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