manav95
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They’d follow Luther’s example and start their own churches. With blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the church.
Protestants round 2!
They’d follow Luther’s example and start their own churches. With blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the church.
If there was a catholic group of considerable size denying the legitimacy of the Popes how might this effect things? It has occurred to me that if they managed to draw off a significant number of the more traditional Catholics it might result in the mainline Catholic Church lurching further in a liberal direction? Or it might be forced to stay more conservative? Where might they be most popular?
I fail to see why this would increase the anti-catholocism of the left. If anything by pulling away the more conservative elements of the mainstream Catholic Church it would increase the acceptability of the mainstream Church. What might make the left more hostile to Catholicism would be if the mainstream Church more strictly enforced its pro-life positions in the way that many conservatives wish it would (for example by excommunicating all catholic politicians that vote or speak in favour of abortion as has been called for by many traditionalists).More anti-catholicism on the left, so you see nativism being more acceptable in the US in the late 20th/early 21st century.
I suspect in ttl Trump would have won on making the (few allowed in after ttl's early 90s clampdowns) immigrants being limited to white Christians only. Of course he'd accomplish as much with that as he has with the wall in OTL, absolutely nothing.
A very good question. The basic answer is that one can be a catholic without being a Roman catholic. The Church of England for example defines itself as Catholic without recognizing the Pope.
I fail to see why this would increase the anti-catholocism of the left. If anything by pulling away the more conservative elements of the mainstream Catholic Church it would increase the acceptability of the mainstream Church. What might make the left more hostile to Catholicism would be if the mainstream Church more strictly enforced its pro-life positions in the way that many conservatives wish it would (for example by excommunicating all catholic politicians that vote or speak in favour of abortion as has been called for by many traditionalists).
I agree, as in most splits regarding religous bodies, must of the hostility would be intra group, not inter group. And there would be room for legal hostility between mainstream Catholic factions and a large 'sede' movement. For example:The mainstream church would more strictly enforce "pro-life" stuff at least until the late 2010s to try preventing a schism.
I agree, as in most splits regarding religous bodies, must of the hostility would be intra group, not inter group. And there would be room for legal hostility between mainstream Catholic factions and a large 'sede' movement. For example:
- What if conservative parishes with large numbers of 'sedes' initiate legal battles with liberal bishops over who truly owns a particular parish?
- What if a conservative Bishop goes 'sede', then moves to expel liberal clergy. Now it is the liberals filing suits over who truly owns a parish.
- Would Catholic colleges and universities go 'sede'- then purge liberal professors? Or, maybe progressive colleges go militantly 'anti sede' - then start firing real or suspected 'sedes'.
- Maybe a showdown at a monastery between 'sede' monks and 'non sede' monks over who controls the monastery and who can live there under what conditions?
And..... one case where the Catholic school associated with Saint Divisive parish goes 'sede' while the parish remains mainstream. Not to mention the legal smack down brawl occurring when two individuals, one "sede" and one mainstream both claim to be the "real" successor to a deceased bishop- and both start issuing orders regarding assignments and property.
I follow a lot of young trad-cats of tumblr and they are definitely very into Latin mass. I'm not sure how much that is just the sort of people I end up following though.I actually think that Latin Rite Mass is gaining in popularity, particularly among younger Catholics, and not in a LARPing way either. I've attended it a number of times. I wouldn't call myself a trad Catholic, but I find a lot of serenity and peacefulness in it.
The subset of Very Online Catholics who get into stuff like integralism is probably more of an online subculture than any discernible shift in how Catholicism is trending, but I think something that is a bit understated is how Latin Mass in multilingual communities functions much as it did in Medieval Europe, as a place where different ethnolinguistic groups meet with a commonality in practice. I know in some areas of Chicago, where there are massive Polish ethnic enclaves near Latin American enclaves, that this happens. At my college, where something similar exists perhaps not in language but just from a wide variety of backgrounds, that Latin Mass is increasingly popular.I follow a lot of young trad-cats of tumblr and they are definitely very into Latin mass. I'm not sure how much that is just the sort of people I end up following though.
I actually think that Latin Rite Mass is gaining in popularity, particularly among younger Catholics, and not in a LARPing way either. I've attended it a number of times. I wouldn't call myself a trad Catholic, but I find a lot of serenity and peacefulness in it.
The subset of Very Online Catholics who get into stuff like integralism is probably more of an online subculture than any discernible shift in how Catholicism is trending, but I think something that is a bit understated is how Latin Mass in multilingual communities functions much as it did in Medieval Europe, as a place where different ethnolinguistic groups meet with a commonality in practice. I know in some areas of Chicago, where there are massive Polish ethnic enclaves near Latin American enclaves, that this happens. At my college, where something similar exists perhaps not in language but just from a wide variety of backgrounds, that Latin Mass is increasingly popular.
It was the Tridentine Mass.Question though - is it just the regular mass except in Latin or the full enchilada 1962 Missal mass? Because there are big differences between the two, and seeing the former done would be interesting.