What would post colonial Mittleafrika look like?

What present day nations do you think would form from Mittleafrika? How many whites will live in Mittleafrika post independence? Could we see an apartheid like situation?
 
first there were not A official "Nazi Mittleafrika" there were fraction inside the NSDAP who wanted old colonies of German Empire back ins Reichs
But that "Little Annoying Austrian" not want to hear that he wanted new Colonies in East europa and West part of Russian
He even gave formal order to NSDAP "No more proposals or plans about Mittleafrika"

About German Empire "Mittleafrika"
it was a megalomaniacal plan of "the Winner Take it all" and unite the German African Colonies with help of Enemies colonies in big large super colony for Germany
biggest problem is lack on Manpower to rule over "Deutsch-Mittleafrika"

I study for TL about victorious Kaiserreich https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/kaiserreich-a-tl.411319/
here Kaiserreich manage a Pyrrhic victory in 1918
but lose allot colonies and gain new ones, here they create a smaller "Deutsch-Zentralafrika" colony, from Kamerun, Belgium & french Congo, south part of chad, german East Africa and Madagascar.
Do to lack of Personal those former Colonies remain under local administration but under German Rule in 1920s
form here on Germans take over the administration together with locals in 1930s

Map of Mittleafrika Plan of 1917
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German Mittelafrika plan was indeed very unreasonable. Germany is lucky if it can even keep these holdings in Africa what it had on 1914. German African Empire can be bigger if CPs win but not so much bigger. Probably they can get Belgian Congo and French Equatorial Africa and perhaps Dahomey with good luck. And even this is quiet much.

But if Germans are able to launch this, it will be hard job to administrate. Even victorious German Empire would be economically quiet wrecked so administration will be even more difficult. Probably Germany will lost it when decolonisation happen. But I doubt that Mittleafrika can be as one nation so it probably would be dissolved during decolonisation or bit later.
 

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German Mittelafrika plan was indeed very unreasonable.
Why ? ... given a mayor CP-victory ? Colonies were bargaining chips on european negotiation tables, despite whoever actually controlled them.

Btw : Britain and Germany had already signed a deal in october 1913 on partitioning the portuguise colonies with Angola and about northern half of Mosambique going to Germany.

Add to this belgian and french Congo as well as parts of french Equatorial Africa and you're very near this other version of "Mittel-Afrika" :


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Though I render it very unlikely, that they would be able to claim successfully Kenya and Nigeria.

For how the german colonies would fare ...
I always like to point towards Wilhelm Solf, then State Secretary for the Colonies.
He favored "coming to terms" with the local peoples and tribes without oppression and violence, at least partially respecting their traditions, when being govenor (of Samoa) himself.

As State secretary he started reforming the colonial service along these lines esp. in the african colonies, though due to the war these had little effect -> no time to be implemented.

Therefore I assume with a german Mittel-Afrika these would be implemented, leading to partial participation of local "authorities" (chiefs or whatever tradition a people had).
Probably the colonies internal organisations would then tend to reflect more on actual ethnic/tribal borders, creating probably much more african "states" when decolonisation eventually happens, as we see today.
As he had managed with Samoa, which was at least no net drain for germany, "paying" for itself, he was very keen on sound economical development of the colonies - different to "pure" exploitaion.

However, he WAS an advocate against "intermingling" between whites and locals, what points into the direction of apartheid.
But atm I have no idea, if there would be a considerable (enough) influx of german/white colonists. Might depend on the post-war economical situation at home. If (too) bad, there might be more inducement for the poorer/economical loosers. ... perhaps war bonds turned into land allocation ? ... as such an inducement ?
 
Germany is lucky if it can even keep these holdings in Africa what it had on 1914.

If the choice before France, Britain and Belgium is to give Germany colonies in Africa or have them annex chunks of their homelands/establish permanent naval bases on the channel they won't be able to throw colonies at the Germans fast enough.

After that I suppose it becomes a matter of what the Germans do with them afterwards in terms of administrative divisions and arrangements as decolonisation movements tended to take over existing administrative apparatus which solidified them, particularly as different movements occurred at different times with different degrees of success.
 
I don't see why it wouldn't decolonise, nor why it would end up one nation. I mean, it could, but the people of Tanzania are so different than those of Cameroon that it's hard to imagine they'd all end up as part of the same country.

Germany will have severe difficulty even keeping their 1914 land once WWII begins. Maybe the best solution is to grab French Equatorial Africa (Chad doesn't need to be included, however) as well as most of the Belgian Congo, to link Kamerun to Tanganjika. In exchange, Germany can cede Togo or even Southwest Africa, as well as Katanga. It's unlikely Germany will be in much of a position in Africa to make many demands, since invading Britain is out of the question. These seem like relatively modest demands compared to many other Mittelafrika plans.

Whites will probably form no more than 1-2% of the population (at most), and would be concentrated in the major cities, as well as the highlands of Tanzania near the Kenyan border if they come at all. Apartheid would be infeasible outside of a future Tanganyika (perhaps with the Great Lakes region of Rwanda, Burundi, and culturally related areas like Kagera and Kigoma given independence), and Germany needs a serious European colonisation program to even think of that.

One idea I think is if you can build a railroad to make a transportation corridor from Douala in Kamerun to coastal Tanganjika, maybe Bagamoyo or Tanga, you could get a good degree of regional linkage which might have some positive effect on the economies of those countries in the post-colonial era, in particular the interior parts.
 
Colony Plan 2

Add to German Colonies from,

Belgium: the Congo
France: Dahomy, Equitorial Africa and Madagascar
Portugal: Angola, Guinea and Mozambique
 
In accord with others I think Germany can get some French colonies in a stalemate (or victory) scenario versus France, since I assume the Kaiserreich had no real thirst for annexing yet more angry French. To get there I had no German drive through Belgium so for me there is no claim upon the Congo. I am pondering a neutral Britain, but even then I think the Empire is opposed to so much German expansion, and I have a hard time seeing them being forced to concede it or any of their holdings. So I simply have the British return any taken territory to Germany, no losses. Perhaps the British go with the partitioning of Portugal's holdings as an alternative.

I am thinking the notion of Mandates and more stewardship is still introduced, perhaps by a neutral USA who brokers a cold peace, or perhaps it is used by the British to water down German gains. Based on some of the possibilities I am hopeful the Germans take it seriously and both their holdings and Africa in general sees better investment, less warfare and a better transition from colonies to states. One thing I feel is a wildcard is German population growth. Germany has more people and less space, even using lowered birth rates akin to the modern era I can forecast 125 million or more Germans in an admittedly bigger state but this may lead to more Germans moving into the colonies with whatever consequences one imagines. One can go down the path like South Africa or one might see a bright pluralistic and developed German "commonwealth". I prefer to ponder the latter since out timeline is dismal enough.
 
The biggest question is, what's to stop Britain from grabbing French colonies to prevent the French from giving them away? Or the other prizes, the Portuguese colonies and the Congo? Germany needs to do better in Africa in order to have anything but a very minimal claim to African colonies.

I am thinking the notion of Mandates and more stewardship is still introduced, perhaps by a neutral USA who brokers a cold peace, or perhaps it is used by the British to water down German gains. Based on some of the possibilities I am hopeful the Germans take it seriously and both their holdings and Africa in general sees better investment, less warfare and a better transition from colonies to states. One thing I feel is a wildcard is German population growth. Germany has more people and less space, even using lowered birth rates akin to the modern era I can forecast 125 million or more Germans in an admittedly bigger state but this may lead to more Germans moving into the colonies with whatever consequences one imagines. One can go down the path like South Africa or one might see a bright pluralistic and developed German "commonwealth". I prefer to ponder the latter since out timeline is dismal enough.

Tanganjika has Germany's best land in Africa, since the rest is most all very poor for white farmers, but I don't see it having more whites percentage-wise than Rhodesia, and the rest of former Mittelafrika might as well revolt to get away from any crap that colony might pull.

Southwest Africa might be "better", I suppose.
 
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