What would of happend if donitz and the allies joined forces to liberate eastern Germ

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What about the sinking of transports moving civilians west witch under donitzs orders were ordered not to take any military personal just wounded nd civilians thing thousands of them being targeted would shift opinion as donitz tells the allies there location nd requests protection of civilians from the east ?
 
What about the sinking of transports moving civilians west witch under donitzs orders were ordered not to take any military personal just wounded nd civilians thing thousands of them being targeted would shift opinion as donitz tells the allies there location nd requests protection of civilians from the east ?

Umm... punctuation please. It's painful to read.

Also, the WAllies really won't care for German civilians, certainly not enough to actually fight a war with the USSR right after defeating Germany. Besides, Donitz's Flensburg government is dead and powerless anyway. It's a matter of time before the Third Reich was fully occupied and surrendering just saved whatever lives might be lost had they persisted against the inevitable.

Also, that's assuming Stalin is that much of an ass to shoot down civilian transports (i.e. he's not). In fact, the only reasonable way he might have a hand in this is if he was commissioning the transports to deport the civilians off his newly acquired domains. No need to go on random massacres.
 
What about the sinking of transports moving civilians west witch under donitzs orders were ordered not to take any military personal just wounded nd civilians thing thousands of them being targeted would shift opinion as donitz tells the allies there location nd requests protection of civilians from the east ?

Well, to begin with, those ships were partly employed for the transporting military personnel from the besieged regions in East Prussia and supplies to them. And even more to the point, the WAllies just didn't really give a damn about German civilians. They'd been killing German civilians en-masse through strategic bombing for awhile now. Why should they care that the Soviets are doing so on a more personal level on the opposite side of the country from them?

Their reply to Doenitz's request would be to tell him that that the Germans brought it on themselves and if they want it to stop then all they have to do is meet their demand of unconditional surrender.

Also, that's assuming Stalin is that much of an ass to shoot down civilian transports (i.e. he's not). In fact, the only reasonable way he might have a hand in this is if he was commissioning the transports to deport the civilians off his newly acquired domains. No need to go on random massacres.

The transports he's referring to are actually ships, not airplanes. And Soviet aircraft and submarines did attack them. So did WAllied aircraft, for that matter: as enemy flagged vessels operating under the circumstances of the total war, they were considered just as legitimate targets by the WAllies as any German warships.
 
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What about the sinking of transports moving civilians west...

This was a time when the RAF and USAAAF where bombing German cities constantly, targeting the residential areas because they were easier to hit than industrial targets, knowing full well that those killed would be civilians and the majority of them people not involved in armaments production.

Included in the Allied bombing targets was Dresden, targeted at the request of the Soviets because it was a key transportation hub; the Dresden police president reported in mid-March 1945 that the city's civilian death toll was 18,375 confirmed, and an estimated total of 25,000 dead (Goebbels took the official death-toll and inflated it ten-fold before broadcasting it as propaganda to the German people. Perversely, Goebbels figure continues to be accepted by a great many people.) While it was the city's rail network that was the principal target, nothing was done to avoid civilian casualties, nor could there have been.

Allied fighter aircraft, freed from escorting the heavy bombers, roamed Germany searching for "targets of opportunity": simply anything that moved. When it came to German civilian deaths, no-one really cared.
 
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