Mass murder of well everyone for failing to live up to the standards of the movement, not just the groups listed.
Mass murder of well everyone for failing to live up to the standards of the movement, not just the groups listed.
nah, just something i randomely thought of.Just out of curiosity, any chance that you got the idea of Las Vegas under the rule of a communist regime from the HOI4 "Red World" mod?![]()
American culture's tendency towards holiness spirals and witch hunts is why. Easier to see a Red US that ends within 20 years with less than 20 million surviving americans and lots of piles of skulls than it is something like Reds!.Based on what? Seriously, why should communist America be particularly suited to kill more Americans than even existed? Killing "flawed communists" never amounted to a giant body count in any communist country. Why is the US so bound to hunt for "flawed communists" in a way which kills more Americans than exist? Your idea of communist America seems as realistic as an idea of communist America which fulfills "true communism" and is an utter paradise for everyone there. We know what American communists could do based on what more "moderate" American politicians actually did regarding machine politics. Get more extreme and more people die, but eventually people fall in line since they don't want to die and see an opportunity for power.
American culture's tendency towards holiness spirals and witch hunts is why. Easier to see a Red US that ends within 20 years with less than 20 million surviving americans and lots of piles of skulls than it is something like Reds!.
why would these 3 ethnicities be discriminated against and forced into labor camps? The Communists in 20th century America were against jim crow laws, segregation, and racism as a whole, such were most communists.Yeah. Lots of destructive labor camps there for "undesirables" like blacks, irish or italians. A Red America would be one with demographics more like appalachia or the midwest before agribusiness started bringing in immigrants.
The same democratic tradition that encourages the witch hunts I was talking about.
Play the ball not the man.Well there's class traitors, wreckers, italians, irish, dixie whites, kulaks, etc to carry out 100-150 million dead. No reason for them to stop with blacks.
Really, try being realistic instead of whitewashing what a communist regime would be like.
A long historical tradition starting with the puritans. Nothing presentist at all aobut it.And what's your source? Are you reverse projecting the current polemics to the earlier years? Presentism is a big no-no in historical discussions.
The same democratic tradition that encourages the witch hunts I was talking about.
also i don't think witch hunts were quite as often after America gained independence, if American Culture includes a tradition of witch hunts, then in school we would of been hearing a lot more of these historical mass witch hunts, and despite what some of ya'll but think, the US education system DOES mention the bad things Americans did, and pretty early on too, like in elementary school.
A long historical tradition starting with the puritans. Nothing presentist at all aobut it.
It'd be really easy to remove this tendency in US culture -- Stuarts decide to send Irish to new england and convicts to the mid-atlantic instead of puritans and quakers to their respective regions. You'd get a simple POD that changes so much. Remember the US is the leading player in the anglosphere and more or less rules the world OTL. Take the same geographic/institutional advantages of the OTL US but remove the puritan self-righteousness of new england and South Carolina*. Even though you'd most likely get something similar to the current US, even down to being rather liberal by western/historical standards you'd change SO MUCH by removing said self-righteousness/witch hunting tendencies.
For starters you remove the one drop rule, prohibition and the general idealistic/moralistic cast to American culture. You'd get an anglican-catholic US. This is before factoring in the fact that anglophone canada ttl would end up at least initially populated by a mix of convicts/irish in a parallel to OTL's anglo canada being basically a continuation of yankeedom.
* Settled by Barbados puritans.
Great timeline! Small question, what will come of Las Vegas?
A little town with a well, in all likelihood. Don't know what natural resources are nearby though.
...Also, what is the state of gambling in the USAR? Would high-stakes poker tournaments be a thing and are their lotteries? I can't see Las Vegas being seen as a major gambling hotspot, although I am sure they can find other vices to be associated with.
...Gambling on any major level is pretty strongly prohibited. Certain institutions like horse racing persist for historical reasons, and low stakes gambling is permitted in some places, but other than that it isn't institutionalized. It's restricted to a small scale grey market and occasionally a criminal enterprise.
You bring up good points. The one drop of blood rule regarding who’s black is pretty hardcore.. . For starters you remove the one drop rule, prohibition and the general idealistic/moralistic cast to American culture.
Fortunately, not military coups but there have been recent witch hunt.. . this tradition of witch hunting should lead to a mindset . .
Yep. The english were the most xenophobic people, but well neither the UK or other non-US anglo colonies did the one drop rule so odds are we'd still see rising paranoia but it wouldn't get ridiculous like OTL's one drop rule.You bring up good points. The one drop of blood rule regarding who’s black is pretty hardcore.
A lot of the paranoia goes back to Bacon’s Rebellion in Virginia in 1676. Indentured servants did join with Bacon, but slaves did not. But the possibility of such and a few actually examples haunted the southern imagination.
PS It was a cool name for a rebellion, but Bacon himself was a bum. As well as a century later a cool date! , but the guy’s still a bum.
Fortunately, not military coups but there have been recent witch hunt.
The comic book scare in the 1950s. The two red scares against “communists” in the U.S., the first after WWI and the second after WWII. The whole war on drugs resulting in mass incarceration, with a lot of it based on “zero tolerance.” And the recent focusing on human trafficking. Instead of being used as a good tool against a real problem, some of it just feeds into the normal criminal justice method of hysterically overcharging so the person will plead out. Like this lady who ran an escort service in Alaska was charged with trafficking even though adult only sex workers, female-led sex business just like you’d like, and seeming evidence that she treated her escorts pretty well.
So, yes, a communist revolution ? after the panic of 1873 and the slow recovery or ? during first decade of 1900s ? certainly could spiral downward,
but I prefer in this thread to dance the possibility that things work out pretty well.
* still think we’re likely just normal people, but let’s say the paranoid side of normal![]()
Salem was pre-US, so not a good example