What would be a more viable Third Bloc in a Cold War, Traditionalists or Fascists?

What would be a more viable Third Side in a Cold War, Traditionalists or Fascists?

  • Traditionalists, Monarchs, and Reactionaries

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Fascists, National Socialists, and Right Wing Revolutionaries

    Votes: 13 50.0%
  • The poll is too flawed to vote

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Total voters
    26
Usually they either get lumped together or it is just Capitalists dominated by Democracies vs Socialists vs Fascists.

Which would have better odds of establishing themselves, finding allies, and growing economically?

I’m painting some broad strokes with the poll and lumping groups together.
 
Fascism as an ideology wasn't all that viable by the time of the Cold War. It involved a style of mass politics that had to be tied up in revanchism and the social realities that existed before WW2. The era of superpowers wasn't going to allow that to continue. The closest to Fascism after WW2 (in Argentina and Ba'athist Iraq) were not really active or independent Cold War actors.

It would have to be a bloc of traditionalists and reactionaries. Think Portugal, Francoist Spain, South Africa, Rhodesia, Taiwan post-Nixon, Marcos ruled Phillipines, Junta ruled Brazil and Junta ruled Argentina, perhaps Malawi.

Maybe in an Alt History example, an independent Pied Noir dominated Algeria (or maybe just an enclave in Oran and Algiers), as well as an independent Katanga, or a longer lasting and more ambitious Greek Junta. I could also see, in the event of a successful Portugal, and therefore a successful Rhodesia, a sort of Finlandization of Botswana into this bloc (they'd be basically surrounded).

In a really big stretch, perhaps a more right wing France that has serious disagreements with the US that go beyond de Gaulle's ego and posturing at Great Power status.

Essentially, these would be "not for polite company" quasi-allies to the West. They could be part of some alliances with the West, but would not be subservient.
 
Why are they forming a third bloc as opposed to just aligning with the West? Disliking liberalism doesn't make up for the political realities of a third bloc having no chance to stand up to Washington or Moscow.
 
Why are they forming a third bloc as opposed to just aligning with the West? Disliking liberalism doesn't make up for the political realities of a third bloc having no chance to stand up to Washington or Moscow.
Well, this Cold War doesn’t need a 1945 PoD. It could be a CP victory or something earlier.
 
If the Central Powers win, we would simply see the continuation of great power politics but with more advanced technology.
 
Why are they forming a third bloc as opposed to just aligning with the West? Disliking liberalism doesn't make up for the political realities of a third bloc having no chance to stand up to Washington or Moscow.

This. Tripolar systems are pretty unstable, as there's incentive for two poles (if more closely aligned) to stand together against the third in moments of crisis. Traditionalists will side with whomever wants to disrupt the status quo least, and since Washington only wants economic reform while Moscow demands both economic and political-social reform it's not a contest
 
A fascist bloc could happen if France turns fascist (perhaps due to the Third Republic's instability and a more revolutionary French Communist Party), and then aligns with the Germans and Italians, creating a continental union opposed to both Soviet Communism and Anglo-American Liberalism.

Alternatively, how about the third-world/non-aligned movement transforming into a radically anti-colonial reactionary movement, with members creating their own traditionalist ideologies united by a desire to undo the influence of Europeans and modernity?
 
Alternatively, how about the third-world/non-aligned movement transforming into a radically anti-colonial reactionary movement, with members creating their own traditionalist ideologies united by a desire to undo the influence of Europeans and modernity?

An earlier Islamist movement is the obvious choice here; but again, how do you make it a distinct bloc from the West?
 
An earlier Islamist movement is the obvious choice here; but again, how do you make it a distinct bloc from the West?

Because it would be aggressively anti-Western like OTL Iran. An more violent decolonization and an earlier Soviet invasion (perhaps they never retreat from Iran) in the Middle East would probably go a long way towards discrediting both camps.
 
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